The World's Greatest Fighter Jet: The F-15 Eagle

[Raider 21]

I am sure that the Pakistani military is monitoring this forum and is 'impressed' by all the 'experts' here, even though these 'experts' have never served a single day in uniform and never had any education in military affairs. Am sure it is soon that Pakistan will see the errors and hire you and others to help transition the Pakistani military to the Taliban model.

A good few open it up for laughs

 

[Trango Towers]

Bro,

The notion of victory or defeat is decided on the basis of the fulfillment of the CORE political objective of the war. Any war is fought in pursuit of a political military objective.

Afghanistan

Why US invaded Afghanistan? To punish those deemed responsible for 9/11. To dismantle Al-Qaeda Network.

(1) Do you see Osama Bin Laden alive and suicide attacks in American cities? OR (2) Osama is dead and much of the Al-Qaeda Network is gone? (1) is true.

Many of the Afghan Taliban also died in this war. But Pakistan saved these people. Pakistan had provided US access to Afghanistan so Pakistan wanted to have a say in Afghan Affairs.

Donald Trump was fine with finding a political solution for Afghanistan that was acceptable to Pakistan. But Afghan Taliban were allowed to return to power in Afghanistan because they agreed to not allow Afghan soil to be misused for plots against US. This clause is in the deal that was signed between US and Afghan Taliban.

Americans have accomplished their CORE political objective in Afghanistan but Joe Biden created embarassing optics of a very rushed withdrawal process from Afghanistan. An incompetent political coward at the top is responsible for this embarassing development.

Now Biden is showing spine in Ukraine to rebuild his reputation. Funny.

Nevertheless, Pakistan continues to find and fight terrorists in Afghanistan. And Pakistan's economy has gone to the dogs lately due to ill-advised political experiments. If Hamid Gul had been alive to see this....

Korea

Why US invaded Korea? To liberate South Korea that had fallen to a well-prepared North Korean military machine in 1950.

How this war concluded? It concluded with liberation of South Korea and the communist bloc had to come to terms with this reality in writing. This is straightforward battlefield victory.

It is true that China saved North Korea (an achievement that the Chinese have every right to celebrate) but China will not tell you about defeat in Seoul and other regions of the war which led to restoration of South Korea in the end. In fact, South Korea absorbed some parts of North Korean territory in its restoration.

Don't draw conclusions about this war from a Chinese movie. It caters to domestic audience and consumption. Read my historical guide instead.

Vietnam

Why US invaded Vietnam? To preserve South Vietnam.

But Vietnamese geography made it impractical for US-led forces to conduct WW2 style armored thrusts and sweeps in this region.

US-led forces eventually adapted to Vietnamese conditions and began to produce results on the ground.

But Lyndon B. Johnson showed weakness in the face of American military victory in the strategically important A Sau valley in 1969.

And Richard Nixon showed weaknes in the face of a brilliantly executed Operation Linebacker in 1972 - a military operation that almost shattered Vietcong and brought it to the negotiation table. Nixon chose to withdraw and South Vietnam fell in 1975.

Vietnam also shows that incompetent political cowards are responsible for defeat in a war that could be won in the battlefield.

Iraq

Why US invaded Iraq in 1991? To liberate Kuwait.

How this war concluded? It concluded with liberation of Kuwait. This is straightforward battlefield victory.

Why US invaded Iraq in 2003? To dismantle Saddam regime and reboot Iraqi political system.

How this war concluded? It concluded with defeat of Saddam regime and reboot of Iraqi political system. This is straightforward battlefield victory.

Iraq wasn't easy to tame and reform but Americans showed commitment to this front and it paid off eventually.

Iran also have some Iraqi elements in its pockets but this is the price to pay for a country that has internal faultlines and only a strongman like Saddam could put a lid on them.

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US has ample military muscle but American leaders are very mistaken in assuming that democracy can be exported to every country out there.

Democracy works in some environments, not everywhere. A strongman can be the right leader to bring to power to secure a country at earliest. Iraq could be much better managed by "restoring" Iraqi army for example.

The alternative is to be brutal like the Wehrmacht to secure a country. This would be possible if US scrap its "Theory of Limited War."

@gambit

Thanks for that.

However I disagree.

Afghanistan
You have accepted the narrative peddled by the administration that they invaded Afghanistan to fight AQ and revenge for 911.

911 was an inside job. Thermite in all the towers with explosions recorded by 1st responders who have mysteriously died. Additionally tower 7 stacked down in a perfect column with no aircraft hitting it.

OBL and AQ were US assets. Trained and armed.

Real objective was 4 fold.
1. Rare earth metals
2. Base Afghanistan...goal Pakistan and its nukes.
3. Wash dirty money
4. Avoid the catastrophic economic downturn that was inevitable. Wars historically kick-start economies as you know.

Did they achieve any if the above? Yes points 3 and 4 only.
Regarding pakistans economy...one short statement...lotas and dha generals.

Korea.

The Americans and UN troops got involved to stop the spread of communism not to save South Korea.
The war was not one sided as you rightfully state and re movies...I have not seen any. Stalemate at the 58th parallel so ground given and taken by both sides.

Vietnam

Same as Korea the US forces went to assist the French against the communist spead. They had no allegiances with South Vietnam. Whatever the reasons this was a total defeat for America. They did not achieve their military or political aims. But they managed to destroy a nation. I recently visited Vietnam and the military museum...omg. sickening images of a horrific war. The barbarity and brutality of Americans against the civilian population could only result in defeat.

Iraq

1991 to liberate Kuwait. After the Americans gave saddam green light to invade Kuwait. This is well documented.

2nd war was not to remove saddam and reboot a political system but to grab oil assets. They also needed to be close to Iran for Israeli interests.
This 2nd war was a total failure. They managed to defeat an army but then came the resistance which proved too much for the Americans who eventually couldn't wait to run. The resistance wore the yanks down.

In conclusion.. American military can defeat pretty much any army but politically they have no idea that its all about hearts and minds and not just McDonald's and denim jeans.
They alway lose the political wars Which in the long term is the real war

 

[gambit]

So basically to deflect from the point of this thread which is the F-15, 9-11 conspiracy theory is resurrected.

 

[gambit]

So how about the F-15 becoming a ship hunter/killer...

AFRL’S QUICKSINK WEAPON DEMO – Air Force Research Laboratory

afresearchlab.com

QUICKSINK is not a mine and is intended to have an immediate effect on stationary or moving maritime targets.​

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New methods explored through QUICKSINK may be able to achieve the same kind of anti-ship lethality with air-launched weapons, including modified 2,000-pound class precision-guided bombs.​

Several SDBs equipped with the QUICKSINK guidance system would not sink but disable any ship. Now think of a 2000 lbs hitting an aircraft carrier.

 

[PradoTLC]

am sure that the Pakistani military is monitoring this forum and is 'impressed' by all the 'experts' here, even though these 'experts' have never served a single day in uniform and never had any education in military affairs.

true..

we don't exactly brag 247 that we used to fly F-111 and F-16.. planes that are in museums...watched admired by 5 years old munching pop corns...

but what we do have as students of history is some thing called...common sense.

. Am sure it is soon that Pakistan will see the errors and hire you and others to help transition the Pakistani military to the Taliban model.

Actually some did in the gov did listen... he is called Imran Khan... a man who told Uncle Sam to take your military relationship and toys and shove it up their arse..

 

[PradoTLC]

A good few open it up for laughs

I am sure more F-15 would have helped in US victory in A-stan...

 

[Foinikas]

America has never fought anyone who can actually fight back.

But the f15 is a beast even today

You mean in the 21st century or generally?

Thanks for that.

However I disagree.

Afghanistan
You have accepted the narrative peddled by the administration that they invaded Afghanistan to fight AQ and revenge for 911.

911 was an inside job. Thermite in all the towers with explosions recorded by 1st responders who have mysteriously died. Additionally tower 7 stacked down in a perfect column with no aircraft hitting it.

OBL and AQ were US assets. Trained and armed.

Real objective was 4 fold.
1. Rare earth metals
2. Base Afghanistan...goal Pakistan and its nukes.
3. Wash dirty money
4. Avoid the catastrophic economic downturn that was inevitable. Wars historically kick-start economies as you know.

Did they achieve any if the above? Yes points 3 and 4 only.
Regarding pakistans economy...one short statement...lotas and dha generals.

Korea.

The Americans and UN troops got involved to stop the spread of communism not to save South Korea.
The war was not one sided as you rightfully state and re movies...I have not seen any. Stalemate at the 58th parallel so ground given and taken by both sides.

Vietnam

Same as Korea the US forces went to assist the French against the communist spead. They had no allegiances with South Vietnam. Whatever the reasons this was a total defeat for America. They did not achieve their military or political aims. But they managed to destroy a nation. I recently visited Vietnam and the military museum...omg. sickening images of a horrific war. The barbarity and brutality of Americans against the civilian population could only result in defeat.

Iraq

1991 to liberate Kuwait. After the Americans gave saddam green light to invade Kuwait. This is well documented.

2nd war was not to remove saddam and reboot a political system but to grab oil assets. They also needed to be close to Iran for Israeli interests.
This 2nd war was a total failure. They managed to defeat an army but then came the resistance which proved too much for the Americans who eventually couldn't wait to run. The resistance wore the yanks down.

In conclusion.. American military can defeat pretty much any army but politically they have no idea that its all about hearts and minds and not just McDonald's and denim jeans.
They alway lose the political wars Which in the long term is the real war

Legend summed it up in an excellent way and you just won't get it.

 

[Trango Towers]

You mean in the 21st century or generally?


Legend summed it up in an excellent way and you just won't get it.

You will just agree with anyone other than me because you are desperate for acceptance here and I have hurt your feelings. We know how sensitive you are hence the personal remarks.

@LeGenD is Not a child and he is old enough to accept a different points of view. He didnt get on his high horse and people can have differing opinions. You however are a something else. Personal yet again "you just won't get it". In reply to this loopy statement..."I am not a lemming" unlike some who just interject to derail a thread and then play the victim.

 

[Foinikas]

You will just agree with anyone other than me because you are desperate for acceptance here and I have hurt your feelings. We know how sensitive you are hence the personal remarks.

@LeGenD is Not a child and he is old enough to accept a different points of view. He didnt get on his high horse and people can have differing opinions. You however are a something else. Personal yet again "you just won't get it". I reply to this loopy statement...I am not a lemming unlike some who just interject to derail a thread and then play the victim.

Legend was one of the reasons I decided to join this forum,because his posts contain sound arguments and are detailed,yet easy to read. I tend to agree with Legend and we often have the same views on a lot of matters.

But please,continue to nag.

 

[Trango Towers]

Legend was one of the reasons I decided to join this forum,because his posts contain sound arguments and are detailed,yet easy to read. I tend to agree with Legend and we often have the same views on a lot of matters.

But please,continue to nag.

Nag.

So how many personal comment are you going to make.. u reply are a small minded person.

Having a different or opposite opinion is not nagging. You support whatever legend says blindly. You support legionnaire blindly you support and follow the resident Jewish nazis blindly.

I think for myself and question...I follow no one. I am able to reason. So jog on before I start to bite back you will cry to your limited friends for assistance.

 

[Foinikas]

Nag.

So how many personal comment are you going to make.. u reply are a small minded person.

Having a different or opposite opinion is not nagging. You support whatever legend says blindly. You support legionnaire blindly you support and follow the resident Jewish nazis blindly.

I think for myself and question...I follow no one. I am able to reason. So jog on before I start to bite back you will cry to your limited friends for assistance.

My limited friends? Boy,you ain't got no friends here. I get along with dozens of people.

You live in the UK and your english sucks. Probably that's why you can't even understand my posts.

And I asked you a question earlier,about USA. When did they not fight anyone who can fight back?

 

[VCheng]

True but when they last they win

Afghanistan
Korea
Vietnam
Iraq

Let us ask this question:

If USA keeps losing, how is it that it keeps growing bigger, stronger and richer? What country can lose war after war and not go downhill?

he is called Imran Khan... a man who told Uncle Sam to take your military relationship and toys and shove it up their arse..

And just how devastating hearing that was for USA.

Oh wait.

 

[Trango Towers]

My limited friends? Boy,you ain't got no friends here. I get along with dozens of people.

You live in the UK and your english sucks. Probably that's why you can't even understand my posts.

And I asked you a question earlier,about USA. When did they not fight anyone who can fight back?

Lol...I have always stated this place is not real anf youvare a pixel. You need and want friends. I stand on my own feet. I don't care for anyone here. You are the licker that needs other. It u that has the need to follow and tag along.

I live in the UK and my kebab maker is a greek who can't speak English after 30 years. His name is staveros and he is related to you. Keeps saying keh keh keh.

Re your question..I am emulating you.

 

[Foinikas]

Lol...I have always stated this place is not real anf youvare a pixel. You need and want friends. I stand on my own feet. I don't care for anyone here. You are the licker that needs other. It u that has the need to follow and tag along.

I live in the UK and my kebab maker is a greek who can't speak English after 30 years. His name is staveros and he is related to you. Keeps saying keh keh keh.

Re your question..I am emulating you.

Tell me something. How many per day?

 

[gambit]

Looks like with QUICKSINK, the USAF and USN will be going back to WW II -- dive bombing. From farther away, of course. The F-15 with its many hardpoints seems eminently suited to hunt fleets. A four-ship sortie can do a lot of damages.

New Look At Air Force's Ship-Killing Smart Bomb In Action, Seeker Details Revealed

Air Force's new Quick Sink weapon uses a low-cost seeker that turns Joint Direct Attack Munition bombs into all-weather anti-ship weapons.

www.thedrive.com

The combination of the new multi-mode seeker and the JDAM tail kit turns the bomb into an all-weather anti-ship weapon. When employed, the weapon uses the tail kit to first glide to the general target area, using coordinates inputted prior to launch from the launch aircraft via onboard sensors or from an off-board sensing platform. Once it approaches the target area, the weapon then shifts to the Quicksink seeker to locate the target ship and determine its speed and heading. The use of an independent seeker system means that weapon could potentially still lock onto the target if it appears within the envelope of the radar and IIR camera, even in a GPS-degraded environment that imposes limits on the initial cueing.​

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Regardless, the weapon then course corrects onto a trajectory where it hits the water and then detonates near the hull below the waterline. This 'heaves' the ship, breaking it in two or causing otherwise massive damage. Even a near miss would likely result in a 'mission kill' where the ship's systems are disabled to the point that it is no longer combat effective.​

QUICKSINK might even be assigned to the A-10.

An F-35 four-ship sortie will be the unseen eyes tracking a fleet and sending target data in real time. For the F-15s carrying the QUICKSINK bombs, the first targets will be the peripheral escorts of destroyers and cruisers, leaving the capital ships, whatever they are, vulnerable for subs.