The Vietnam Solution

[gpit]

Dear My Brothers,
Don't deny that we are behind quite far compared to other ASEAN countries. This is very sad. To paraphrase that, we will fall into a vicious circle. Just compare Japan who needed only about 20 years after the war to restore their ruined country to become a strong.

Vi

Siêu n? l?c, siêu sáng t?o m?i ?u?i k?p Thái Lan, Malaysia

Remember about a long time the stupid subsidy policy "go forward up socialist". It wastes a lot of times of the Vietnamese.
And now, the corruption of the communist regime is destroying the country. Just look at PMU18, Vinashin, Vinaline ...

Vinashin, Vinalines ch

Provisional agreement between Ho Chi Minh and the French had purposes to kick 200,000 troops Chiang Kai-shek out north Vietnam. China is more dangerous than France because it is near us and its greed.

Hi

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Today, take advantage of cheap labors of Vietnamese workers are stupid policies of stupid leaders. Current, the top leaders of Vietnam only the label called communism. They are actually just "the benefit groups".

Cong doan


Above all, I call on the solidarity of all the Vietnamese. More than once we were taken advantage by the chinese invaders when we had not solidarity.

Dear Vietnamese brother, nice to see your disappointment of yourself instead of your usual arrogance.

This is a good start.

You have to study a lot more. Again education is the key. Remember your complete history, not just part of your history. This is how JP did. They still use Chinese characters instead of fking their language like you did, they focus on education and work, not much distracted with other affairs, leaving defense to USA.

But you are communist. You can't leave your defence to USA, because we USA hate communism.

So you should leave your defence to China, perhaps. Forget you 6 kilo garbage. Even if you have 60 Kilos, and if your main enemy is China, it still doesn't help: you have land connection with China.

Don't forget, China is also communist.

Then you save money and compete with China, peacefully.

If you make China your enemy, you suffer a perpetual loss. See how a big country called India that performs so badly compared with China? Because it treats China as its enemy, so it has to spend a lot in military.

Shake off your silly emotion, and grasp the essence of the matters.

JP was defeated by USA, and it loves USA because USA saves its money, big, huge money.

And you're not defeated by China, why can't you love China and make China save money for you? With your hard working people, you will be somewhere. But if you go wrong way, such as make China your enemy number one, the harder you work, more backward you will become. That's for sure. India has lot more capacity than you have, in terms of natural and human resources, education, etc. But see how they fair compared with China.

Some lessons are bitter to learn; some actions are hard to take. But you have to.

Just a food for your thoughts. Whether you go up or bog down it's all the result of your own actions, no using to complain the others...

Best Wishes.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I like this picture very much! You guys are very imaginative.

I'd like you guys put it in popular Chinese forums, such as www.tianya.cn and write some simple Chinese like "I am a Vietnamese. This is our Vietnam map." copy paste this 我是越南人。这是我们越南的地图。

I believe it helps the Chinese to understand you better.

LOL!

Let me know the URL once you've posted.

Funny that the map labels the SCS as the South Sea, which is in the Chinese name, not the Viet one.

 

[dunhill]

Funny that the map labels the SCS as the South Sea, which is in the Chinese name, not the Viet one.

So USA map that use English name so was it belong to UK? (Included yours China)

Viet Nam used to have Han's script during China occupied and that is not a short time. You know it don't you? Moreover, Viet Nam has it own script like Japans, Korea its called Nom. Chu Nom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rechoice]

Viets are tropical jungle dwellers, while most parts of South China are in fact the temperate regions, it got little the tropical regions like in Vietnam.

It is hard to imagine that you guys claim to be belong to these areas.

I like this picture very much! You guys are very imaginative.

I'd like you guys put it in popular Chinese forums, such as www.tianya.cn and write some simple Chinese like "I am a Vietnamese. This is our Vietnam map." copy paste this 我是越南人。这是我们越南的地图。

I believe it helps the Chinese to understand you better.

LOL!

Let me know the URL once you've posted.

Funny that the map labels the SCS as the South Sea, which is in the Chinese name, not the Viet one.

You can read our history book 大越史記全書 written by Viet historian using Han characters, it has stating that; north point of Van Lang' territory reached to Dongding Lake.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You can read our history book 大越史記全書 written by Viet historian using Han characters, it has stating that; north point of Van Lang' territory reached to Dongding Lake.

You Viets always stayed in Vietnam.

 

[Rechoice]

You Viets always stayed in Vietnam.

In china are still living more 100,000 Viets in native skater in many region of China, Jingzu.
When you ask randomly Vietnamese in Vietnam: Where lived their ancestors in ancient time ?, part of them can answer: from southern of China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In china are still living more 100,000 Viets in native skater in many region of China, Jingzu.
When you ask randomly Vietnamese in Vietnam: Where lived their ancestors in ancient time ?, part of them can answer: from southern of China.

Jinzu were the Viet immigrant who came to China during the 16th century, they were originally from Vietnam, not South China.

 

[ViXuyen]

Better to be trapped in the middle than to be trapped at the bottom, you think? But the fact that you failed to give everyone an example of a successful communist country and that you have to resort to pointing out the flaws of those who improved their status mean one thing: That you are defending this failed ideology out of sheer stubbornness instead of common sense.

Do you think we Viets who are living in the US really care what the likes of you thinks of us? No, we do not. For decades we have been sending back our hard earned monies to support our families and friends so they can pay for medicines, fix the roads in their villages or little parts of the cities, to pay the bribes of corrupt communist officials to get anything done, or to buy better food for themselves. Do not tell me that you are that ignorant of this fact.

So when you see a sad state like the PI and a successful case like Japan, why would you want to use the failure to decide which direction do you want Viet Nam to go? That is like choosing the beggar over the millionaire.

If you have a problem with me equating capitalism with progress and success, then give me a few examples of communism that actually produced progress and success.

And you think those in Viet Nam care about you? Why do you think the communists in Viet Nam offer to pay you Viet Kieu 'expert' minimum wage on the same level as the local experts but military-run Viettel is currently paying foreign technicians $20,000 USD/month to work for them? Get off your pony, you're not worth the dollars as you think we would be willing to pay you guys to return to the motherland. Keep on sending chump change and hopefully one day you guys can win a Field Medal like a Viet Cong did two years ago to make us proud.

Thank you for being honest in admitting that democracy and capitalism does not equal Japan and Korea. Next time use a better example between countries with no technology transfer to compare the economic/industrial development than use Viet Nam to compare to Japan and Korea. With the kind of tech transfer Korea & Japan received, even Zimbawe can turn into a G7 nation . If you want to blame the communists, compare Viet Nam to Thailand would have been a better example.

 

[Rechoice]

Jinzu were the Viet immigrant who came to China during the 16th century, they were originally from Vietnam, not South China.

from the time was civil war in china, only chinese immigrated in to Vietnam to avoid brutalis killing, no Viet went back to china. After collapsing of Ming Dynasty in China, chinese ran to South of Vietnam and became Minh Huong people in Makong delta, where is very popular marriage with Taiwanese, Korean etc.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Dear Vietnamese brother, nice to see your disappointment of yourself instead of your usual arrogance.

This is a good start.

You have to study a lot more. Again education is the key. Remember your complete history, not just part of your history. This is how JP did. They still use Chinese characters instead of fking their language like you did, they focus on education and work, not much distracted with other affairs, leaving defense to USA.

But you are communist. You can't leave your defence to USA, because we USA hate communism.

So you should leave your defence to China, perhaps. Forget you 6 kilo garbage. Even if you have 60 Kilos, and if your main enemy is China, it still doesn't help: you have land connection with China.

Don't forget, China is also communist.

Then you save money and compete with China, peacefully.

If you make China your enemy, you suffer a perpetual loss. See how a big country called India that performs so badly compared with China? Because it treats China as its enemy, so it has to spend a lot in military.

Shake off your silly emotion, and grasp the essence of the matters.

JP was defeated by USA, and it loves USA because USA saves its money, big, huge money.

And you're not defeated by China, why can't you love China and make China save money for you? With your hard working people, you will be somewhere. But if you go wrong way, such as make China your enemy number one, the harder you work, more backward you will become. That's for sure. India has lot more capacity than you have, in terms of natural and human resources, education, etc. But see how they fair compared with China.

Some lessons are bitter to learn; some actions are hard to take. But you have to.

Just a food for your thoughts. Whether you go up or bog down it's all the result of your own actions, no using to complain the others...

Best Wishes.

You can only say these things to us if your communist China gives back the Paracel Islands and some coral reefs in the Spratly Islands to Vietnam, and sorry the Vietnamese for the action stupid and greedy of the Chinese. And China must promise that it renounces all the jiggery-pokery for the purpose to invade the territorial sea and the islands of Vietnam.
We dont distinguish communist or capitalist as long as they dont invade our country otherwise we will spank the invaders without knowing who they are.
Our 6 kilos are most advanced submarines of the kilo class. They will be used to spank the invaders in the East Sea.

Frankly, if we are disappointed with communism Vietnam, only idiots like you said so we should stick with China. China's human rights situation is worse than Vietnam, press freedom worse than Vietnam, Internet freedom worse than Vietnam, corruption worse than Vietnam [typical Bo Xilai]... Why do we need to stick with worse places instead of better places?

BTW: Aren't you an American? [though you are a Chinaman]

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

from the time was civil war in china, only chinese immigrated in to Vietnam to avoid brutalis killing, no Viet went back to china. After collapsing of Ming Dynasty in China, chinese ran to South of Vietnam and became Minh Huong people in Makong delta, where is very popular marriage with Taiwanese, Korean etc.

The Ming Dynasty was fine during the 16th century, many Viet immigrants came to China during that period, didn't you guy often mention about Nguyen An? The guy who was the architect for the Forbidden City in Beijing.

 

[Rechoice]

The Ming Dynasty was fine during the 16th century, many Viet immigrants came to China during that period, didn't you guy often mention about Nguyen An? The guy who was the architect for the Forbidden City in Beijing.

Nguen An was POW in the war between Tran & Le Dynasty Vietnam's against Ming Dynasty China's bro, he was taken to china by Ming soldiers when they ran away from Vietnam.

 

[gpit]

You can read our history book 大越史記全書 written by Viet historian using Han characters, it has stating that; north point of Van Lang' territory reached to Dongding Lake.

Thanks for letting me know the book 大越史記全書. I'll definitely try to lay my hands on it. Sounds like it is written in classic Chinese, so it will definitely cost me some time.

Just a question for your Viets on this forum: can you read Chinese, or "Han characters"?

If so , how many of you and how well do you understand? Do you understand 大越史記全書?

I think we have you (Rechoice), EastSea, NiceGuy, dunhill, Battle of Bach Dang River, Viet, etc. at least you self-claimed Vietnamese.

 

[EastSea]

Thanks for letting me know the book 大越史記全書. I'll definitely try to lay my hands on it. Sounds like it is written in classic Chinese, so it will definitely cost me some time.

Just a question for your Viets on this forum: can you read Chinese, or "Han characters"?

If so , how many of you and how well do you understand? Do you understand 大越史記全書?

I think we have you (Rechoice), EastSea, NiceGuy, dunhill, Battle of Bach Dang River, Viet, etc. at least you self-claimed Vietnamese.

The History book is avalaible in Vietnam,

You can read the first page of the history book.

... 自 我 國 繼 天 地 之 開 闢 鴻 庞 氏 首 出 御 世 歷 至 國 朝 黎 恭 皇 有 君 有 臣 有 體 統 其 政 治 之 得 失 世 道 之 隆 汚 禮 樂 之 興 人 物 之 賢 否 莫 不 僃 載

... Since our country has followed to the broadening of heaven and earth, from Hong Bang Dynasty started our life, until Le Cung Hoang Emperor, Le dynasty now: we have our King, our people, our system, possibly, politic was good or bad, morality developed or failure; set up holidays, festival, music, or neglected; person was talented or coward; is recorded as necessary and enough.

In vietnamese:

... Kể từ khi nước ta nối tiếp sự mở mang của trời đất, họ Hồng Bàng bắt đầu ra trị đời, trải đến Lê Cung Hoàng của quốc triều, có vua , có tôi, có thể thống, chính trị hay dở, thế đạo thịnh suy, lễ nhạc dựng bỏ, nhân vật hiền kém, không việc gì không chép đủ

 

[Viet]

Dear Vietnamese brother, nice to see your disappointment of yourself instead of your usual arrogance.

This is a good start.

You have to study a lot more. Again education is the key. Remember your complete history, not just part of your history. This is how JP did. They still use Chinese characters instead of fking their language like you did, they focus on education and work, not much distracted with other affairs, leaving defense to USA.

But you are communist. You can't leave your defence to USA, because we USA hate communism.

So you should leave your defence to China, perhaps. Forget you 6 kilo garbage. Even if you have 60 Kilos, and if your main enemy is China, it still doesn't help: you have land connection with China.

Don't forget, China is also communist.

Then you save money and compete with China, peacefully.

If you make China your enemy, you suffer a perpetual loss. See how a big country called India that performs so badly compared with China? Because it treats China as its enemy, so it has to spend a lot in military.

Shake off your silly emotion, and grasp the essence of the matters.

JP was defeated by USA, and it loves USA because USA saves its money, big, huge money.

And you're not defeated by China, why can't you love China and make China save money for you? With your hard working people, you will be somewhere. But if you go wrong way, such as make China your enemy number one, the harder you work, more backward you will become. That's for sure. India has lot more capacity than you have, in terms of natural and human resources, education, etc. But see how they fair compared with China.

Some lessons are bitter to learn; some actions are hard to take. But you have to.

Just a food for your thoughts. Whether you go up or bog down it's all the result of your own actions, no using to complain the others...

Best Wishes.

I see some comments from members are correct, but many are misinterpreted. As a Viet kieu, I want to add two notes into the discussion.

First message to our Vietnamese brothers in Vietnam:
that is true, many Viets, especially the south Vietnamese living oversea, hate the current Vietnamese government. There are many reasons for, I do not like to tell here, BUT I do not know anyone who hates his motherland!
Be sure if Vietnam is in danger, every Viet will fight against the invader. Regardless of different minds, all Viets are patriots.

And for our Chinese friends:
Vietnam always wants to coexist with China, but through history China always wants to occupy Vietnam or only accepts it as a vassal if it gained independence!
Check the history textbook, and look back the events in the last 2100 years!
China has always proved as arrogant and aggressive towards its smaller broher in the South. Even today.

The Chinese may be successful telling lie to others, but due to our close relationship we Viets know best what the Chinese think and have in mind. So pls stop convince us that we shall halt cooperate with Russia and the U.S. and others.
China just awaits a chance to take over Vietnam!