The Top 5 Navies of the Indo-Pacific

[hurt]

i agree, we ordered 2 LPC (M) last year , suppose to come 2014, they have arrived 1 year earlier

　Nice ships

 

[BDforever]

yes, china bangladesh live long, we only got license to produce c802A missile from china, no other country have the license

 

[hurt]

we are getting 2 type 056 corvette , 1 in this year, another one 2016

if you want ,you can get all of them in next year.

 

[danger007]

if you want ,you can get all of them in next year.

are you talking about chocolates? lol... are CPC head..

 

[hurt]

we are getting 2 type 056 corvette , 1 in this year, another one 2016

we will complete all of 40 056s until 2015

are you talking about chocolates? lol... are CPC head..

same to you

we will complete all of 40 Type 056s until 2015

 

[kurup]

then compare their weapons ( best way to compare)
( plz do not say swads do not have anti-tank weapon, it is man to man war )

You cannot compare two SF based on just their weapons.

 

[hurt]

are you talking about chocolates? lol... are CPC head..

Now 10 Type 056s launched.

at lest 8 Laid down.

It will 1 Type 056 Commissioned per month from next month.

2 Type 052C and 1 Type 052D launched.
3 Type 052Ds Laid down.
1 CV maybe Laid down.
2 Type 054As launched.
4 Type 054As Laid down.

by the way ,there are at least 50 marine Law Enforcement vessels in building.

 

[JohnSeb]

PLAN have 4 Type 052Cs with Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar system and HHQ-9 long range air defense missile.
2 Type 051Cs with S-300FM long range air defense missile.
14 Type 054As with VLS HQ-16 middle range air defense missile.
6 ships with Shtil SAM Short-Middle missile.
15 ships with HQ-7 SAM Short missile.

4 destroyers YJ-62 anti-ship missile Operational range > 280Km.
32 destroyers and Frigates YJ-83 anti-ship missile Operational range > 180Km.
83 Type 022 Stealth missile boat YJ-83 anti-ship missile Operational range > 180Km.

24 ships with Type 730 CIWS.

What about Indian Navy?

Indian navy is still using the traditional catamarans which are equipped with rock slings.

 

[Alienware]

The perpetual mentality of the internet kit fan-boy - that of basing lists on purely numerical terms! Why are the strategic capabilities and other elements never taken into account?

Most top 10 or top 5 naval lists are largely based on numbers. Almost always, such lists would place a navy like the Chinese Navy above a navy like the French Navy... and the reasoning is always something like this; "...because the Chinese Navy is huge and it would simply overwhelm the smaller (but more advanced) French Navy..." Now at first glance, this appears like a fairly reasonable conclusion wouldn't you agree? But you would be wrong! That reasoning is fundamentally flawed on every level. Here's why:

The French Navy has global power-projection capabilities while the Chinese Navy only possesses regional power projection capabilities. So, if a naval conflict arose between France and China in the Middle East over their respective energy interests, who would win? Well France of-course. Why? Because France is capable of deploying a large and powerful carrier strike group to defend its interests around the world. The French carrier strike group would consist of modern destroyers equipped with PAAMs for air-defense, modern frigates, nuclear attack submarines, replenishment ships and last but not least, a large and modern aircraft carrier equipped with advanced Rafael fighters.

In comparison, what could China deploy to the Middle East to defend its interests against the French? The answer; Not much at all! Like I said before, the Chinese Navy only has regional power projection capabilities and cannot deploy a large naval task force far from its home waters. At best, China could only deploy a small flotilla of 3-4 destroyers and maybe a nuclear attack submarine.

So, in the current strategic environment, the larger numbers of the Chinese Navy are meaningless. The only conceivable time superior Chinese numbers become relevant is if France stupidly decided to literally go and attack China in its home territory. In this scenario China would clearly win and it is debatable if even the mighty US Navy would prevail in such a fight.

Typically navies like the US Navy, Royal Navy and French Navy are considered blue-water navies, while the likes of the Indian Navy, Russian Navy and Chinese Navy are green-water navies.

A good rule is that a blue-water navy will defeat a green-water navy in any ocean on the planet with the possible exception of the green-water navies territorial/regional waters.

 

[applesauce]

The perpetual mentality of the internet kit fan-boy - that of basing lists on purely numerical terms! Why are the strategic capabilities and other elements never taken into account?

Most top 10 or top 5 naval lists are largely based on numbers. Almost always, such lists would place a navy like the Chinese Navy above a navy like the French Navy... and the reasoning is always something like this; "...because the Chinese Navy is huge and it would simply overwhelm the smaller (but more advanced) French Navy..." Now at first glance, this appears like a fairly reasonable conclusion wouldn't you agree? But you would be wrong! That reasoning is fundamentally flawed on every level. Here's why:

The French Navy has global power-projection capabilities while the Chinese Navy only possesses regional power projection capabilities. So, if a naval conflict arose between France and China in the Middle East over their respective energy interests, who would win? Well France of-course. Why? Because France is capable of deploying a large and powerful carrier strike group to defend its interests around the world. The French carrier strike group would consist of modern destroyers equipped with PAAMs for air-defense, modern frigates, nuclear attack submarines, replenishment ships and last but not least, a large and modern aircraft carrier equipped with advanced Rafael fighters.

In comparison, what could China deploy to the Middle East to defend its interests against the French? The answer; Not much at all! Like I said before, the Chinese Navy only has regional power projection capabilities and cannot deploy a large naval task force far from its home waters. At best, China could only deploy a small flotilla of 3-4 destroyers and maybe a nuclear attack submarine.

So, in the current strategic environment, the larger numbers of the Chinese Navy are meaningless. The only conceivable time superior Chinese numbers become relevant is if France stupidly decided to literally go and attack China in its home territory. In this scenario China would clearly win and it is debatable if even the mighty US Navy would prevail in such a fight.

Typically navies like the US Navy, Royal Navy and French Navy are considered blue-water navies, while the likes of the Indian Navy, Russian Navy and Chinese Navy are green-water navies.

A good rule is that a blue-water navy will defeat a green-water navy in any ocean on the planet with the possible exception of the green-water navies territorial/regional waters.

actually, china is capable at present of sending a more powerful SAG than france. the french of course does have their carrier but the real advantage the french have(aside from having nato on their side) is the network of bases and supply points which china lacks thus in their fictional middle east fight, their operations would be much smoother logistically and would have advantages like a safe harbor(comes with protected bases). basically i agree that currently in a middle east fight france would win out over PLAN, but its getting very close to the point where where this wouldnt be true anymore.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

We watch Indian armed forces and politics carefully. We know a lot about IN. Officers from BN are sent on courses regularly to India also, and we get reports from them. Similarly we watch IN officers training with us here in BD or elsewhere. So you can be sure about what I am talking of. IN officer corps is really third grade or inter class. Boys with technical background do not want to serve in Indian military.

Thank you for ur 'claim' but we will take the opinion of various international forces we train with in exercises over bangladeshi jamati fanboy.IN ASW warfare is top notch,this straight from mouths of USN personnel.Where we need to shape up is fleet air defence.

 

[asad71]

Thank you for ur 'claim' but we will take the opinion of various international forces we train with in exercises over bangladeshi jamati fanboy.IN ASW warfare is top notch,this straight from mouths of USN personnel.Where we need to shape up is fleet air defence.

Yep, IN officer corpse excels in one area - WIFE SWAPPING.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Yep, IN officer corpse excels in one area - WIFE SWAPPING.

Bangladesh navy too has one speciality-fishing.
They are renowned for catching hilsa fish.

 

[Alienware]

actually, china is capable at present of sending a more powerful SAG than france. the french of course does have their carrier but the real advantage the french have(aside from having nato on their side) is the network of bases and supply points which china lacks thus in their fictional middle east fight, their operations would be much smoother logistically and would have advantages like a safe harbor(comes with protected bases). basically i agree that currently in a middle east fight france would win out over PLAN, but its getting very close to the point where where this wouldnt be true anymore.

Totally agree on that last point, and indeed your post over-all. Thank you. However, I feel you are slightly underestimating the advantage of French air-power. While China probably is "capable at present of sending a more powerful SAG than france" it would only at a stretch be "more powerful" in terms of absolute ship-based firepower and a slight number advantage. Not necessarily in terms of capabilities.

The French carrier equipped with Rafale in combination with its PAAMS equipped Horizon class frigates would pose an exceptionally strong layered air defense. Any effort made by the Chinese to try and penetrate the combination of systems would be hard fought. Also, the French carrier and its escorts will undoubtedly go flank and perform evasive maneuvers - keeping distance and tactical advantage. Simply put, French air power gives them longer reach than the PLAN SAG and the power to dictate the terms of engagement.

The Chinese SAG would all the while be subjected to coordinated Exocet and fighter attacks. Chinese air-defense systems are not adequate enough to guarantee no losses, in fact the SAG commander will have to assume losses before the engagement and will sacrifice lower end warships positioned as pickets. Type 052 destroyers would alleviate some losses of course.

We also have to face the fact that French anti-submarine screening is going to be significantly superior to ours. And they will have an SSN on station.

French Naval doctrine is a more mature, finely tuned and experience based doctrine than ours.

The only blue-water navy we stand a chance with are the British now that they are absent carrier strike. But like the French, they too have a string of naval and air bases around the world. If they could co-ordinate with the RAF (as im sure they can) then its game over.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Totally agree on that last point, and indeed your post over-all. Thank you. However, I feel you are slightly underestimating the advantage of French air-power. While China probably is "capable at present of sending a more powerful SAG than france" it would only at a stretch be "more powerful" in terms of absolute ship-based firepower and a slight number advantage. Not necessarily in terms of capabilities.

The French carrier equipped with Rafale in combination with its PAAMS equipped Horizon class frigates would pose an exceptionally strong layered air defense. Any effort made by the Chinese to try and penetrate the combination of systems would be hard fought. Also, the French carrier and its escorts will undoubtedly go flank and perform evasive maneuvers - keeping distance and tactical advantage. Simply put, French air power gives them longer reach than the PLAN SAG and the power to dictate the terms of engagement.

The Chinese SAG would all the while be subjected to coordinated Exocet and fighter attacks. Chinese air-defense systems are not adequate enough to guarantee no losses, in fact the SAG commander will have to assume losses before the engagement and will sacrifice lower end warships positioned as pickets. Type 052 destroyers would alleviate some losses of course.

We also have to face the fact that French anti-submarine screening is going to be significantly superior to ours. And they will have an SSN on station.

French Naval doctrine is a more mature, finely tuned and experience based doctrine than ours.

The only blue-water navy we stand a chance with are the British now that they are absent carrier strike. But like the French, they too have a string of naval and air bases around the world. If they could co-ordinate with the RAF (as im sure they can) then its game over.

Why are you fretting about the declining powers in the West especially the likes of the French but more so the UK.