The Reason Why America's F-35 Would Crush China's J-20 Stealth Fighter in Battle

[Jlaw]

If you have evidence I think you provided it.
Provide evidence better than personal attac.

Shut up, if you have no plan to provide arguments to support your idea, or oppose my post

reported for insulting a member @waz @Hu Songshan

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

In the pass American can claim to crush Chinese airforce because their aircrafts were one or two generation ahead of China, but nowadays, China is playing the catchup with our J-20 to at least reach the same generation, we might still lag behind US but US will not have the flawless victory and if Chine do more effort to find other technology to nullify US aviation supremacy then US's future in Asia will be over.

China will race against US as our Olympians did, never give up even if we're still the second...that make our enemy fear the most because they know that we're just behind them.

 

[BoQ77]

thats correct its passive sensors
who detect change of light, heat and sound and other physical quantities in their area of view
Right?

all i wants to know is that during flight the engine burns, there is a change in heat, light, sound etc which should be detected by passive sensors
if it can not be then how F-22 hides it?

At least you would see that you take picture ( or catching light ) with a camera / imaging sensor?
Make sure you could take picture of a F-22 from 400km, then you could detect it by light catching.
By the way, where's your camera? show me

this is what Russian Sukhoi need to catch the light

 

[terranMarine]

In the pass American can claim to crush Chinese airforce because their aircrafts were one or two generation ahead of China, but nowadays, China is playing the catchup with our J-20 to at least reach the same generation, we might still lag behind US but US will not have the flawless victory and if Chine do more effort to find other technology to nullify US aviation supremacy then US's future in Asia will be over.

China will race against US as our Olympians did, never give up even if we're still the second...that make our enemy fear the most because they know that we're just behind them.

That's exactly my thought, during the Korean War our brave soldiers marched all the way to DPRK badly equipped, most are peasants and that alone forced the Americans and 14 countries to retreat. Plagued with logistic problems and what not, yet they scared the hell out of the Yankees. In the 80s we were lagging way behind and now are catching up at a rapid rate. US may still have the advantage of having more advanced technology but the gap is getting smaller. We don't have to equal or surpass what the US has at the moment, what we have are still lethal enough to secure victories in battles. In 20-30 years from now we have strengthened our muscles even more.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

That's exactly my thought, during the Korean War our brave soldiers marched all the way to DPRK badly equipped, most are peasants and that alone forced the Americans and 14 countries to retreat. Plagued with logistic problems and what not, yet they scared the hell out of the Yankees. In the 80s we were lagging way behind and now are catching up at a rapid rate. US may still have the advantage of having more advanced technology but the gap is getting smaller. We don't have to equal or surpass what the US has at the moment, what we have are still lethal enough to secure victories in battles. In 20-30 years from now we have strengthened our muscles even more.

If China want to defeat US in technology, playing a catch up is not enough, we have to go beyond uncharted scientific domain and not just a follower of US foot steps, only by discover something news that US can't counter will give us some advantages and a chance to defeat them.

 

[terranMarine]

If China want to defeat US in technology, playing a catch up is not enough, we have to go beyond uncharted scientific domain and not just a follower of US foot steps, only by discover something news that US can't counter will give us some advantages and a chance to defeat them.

I believe China has a few state of the art stuffs in development, HGV is one of them

 

[S10]

.No, you Chinese can do it. Just understand that we can do it better.

Ladies and gentlemen, American mentality at its finest, where this specimen is unable to process the possibility of others catching up to them.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

No, I did not.
You think I did when I quoted the word 'passive'. Those who read me regularly know why I often quoted a word.
Face it, kid. I am more knowledgeable and smarter than you.
No, you Chinese can do it. Just understand that we can do it better.

You have absolutely NO SHAME in making such EMPTY BOASTS!

We should NOT waste time and continue to discuss about subject like "Passive Radar" since you have absolute NO idea what you are talking about.

Since you BOASTED that you are so KNOWLEDGEABLE and SMART, I would like to listen to your comment or opinion about the so-called "Assymetric Advantages" USA has over the other adversaries in the Western Pacific especially China.

AS for your later comment American can do it better, I will just give it a simple TEST.

EXAMPLE: In says "SUPERCOMPUTER", I need to know how US can do it better although earlier on Americans in denial claimed that China only succeeded and won the coveted crown of the being "THE WORLD'S FASTEST SUPERCOMPUTER" because the Tianhe 1A used USA made and designed microprocessors.

But when OBAMA who believed that it is all true and slap a BAN on the export of these chips to China, China went 3X faster with her own chips.

Now I am completely puzzled by all your BOASTING and is wondering what all you YELLING about!

 

[BoQ77]

1. main operational objects of YLC-20 including:
a. Air targets with active radar,
b. Ground targets with active radar
c. Ships with active radar
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F-35 Thermal Scan Highlights New Stealth Features
By Tamir Eshel -
Aug 12, 2016
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FLIR Systems published today a short video depicting the F-35 Lightning II 5th Generation fighter during its flight display at the recent Farnborough Airshow (2016). The clip shows the JSF after a simulated takeoff, in forward flight, approach to vertical landing and hover.

While the video highlights the extremely hot air exhaust during vertical hovering, it also shows the striking low thermal contrast of the skin, canopy and engine bay, against the sky, which testify to the Lightning II’s effective thermal masking. While the aircraft and exhaust are clearly visible against the sky background in the flypast, it is clear that such image is taken with maximum gain, which isn’t likely to be useful for normal operation. In other shots that are tuned to show the exhaust heat, the aircraft itself almost blends with background, as it would be, when seen in a front view that masks most of the jet exhaust. Low contrast objects would be less detectable by thermal imagers, at long range. For aircraft it also improves protection from heat seeking missiles.


Critics of the F-35 claim that while its stealth design denies its detection by radars, infrared imagers can easily spot the aircraft at long range, by its heat signature. Unlike Russian, Chinese and European aircraft manufacturers that have employed infra-red search and track (IRST) technologies, US services are relying almost exclusively on radar for aerial situational awareness. While the F-35, like every physical object, has a thermal signature, this thermal scan shows its designers made significant effort to ‘flatten’ its thermal image, making the aircraft less detectable and trackable at long distance.

The video clip shown below compares the recent images taken with FLIR Systems’ new Star SAFIRE 380-HDc high definition FLIR, with a similar video taken by another FLIR sensor in 2010, showing the F-22 Raptor. At the recent Farnborough show the F-35 Lightning II performed a flyby and hover, but did not perform high performance maneuvering like the Raptor did back in 2010. Previous FLIR videos of 4 Generation fighters such as the F-16, Typhoon, and Su-27 showed skin area with much higher thermal contrast.


The IR image maps the hot areas inside the wheels and weapons bays, which are covered in forward flight. Particularly impressive are the rear vertical engine doors – one side is boiling hot, the other side is as cool as the rest of the aircraft. Photo: FLIR Systems
The most intriguing view is the forward flight, showing the aircraft from a forward 3/4 view, in very high contrast to the sky but low contrast between the hot air and cold aircraft – note that the camera shows minimal difference between the aircraft and hot air plume of the engine exhaust. In the flight phases where the engine runs in high power, the contrast between the air exhaust and aircraft, especially around the engine, is striking.

At that short distance, the FLIR SAFIRE 380-HDc camera details the hot and cold parts on the aircraft, for example, the windows of the Distributed Aperture Systems (DAS), where high-resolution IR cameras are located.

 

[maximuswarrior]

We have no problems being underestimated by any nations. They can look down on us as thieves, copy cats and even backwards. But when our iron fist hammers down on our opponents they will truly understand why China has been lasting for > 5000 years and thriving to this very day. Don't give a f*ck if they feel they are more technologically advanced than us. Reality will be smashed into their heads should anyone dare mess with us. The Korean War serves as a great testament should there be any doubt about Chinese bravery and sacrifices.

China's strength undoubtedly lies in its ability to quietly get things done. Let those who are mired in wars and in decline just keep burning. China needs to quietly keep doing its thing and get ahead of the rest.

No doubt the J-20 would on most days smoke the F-35. It is simply a better plane and the Chinese have proved this with years of hard work and investment.

 

[gambit]

You have absolutely NO SHAME in making such EMPTY BOASTS!

We should NOT waste time and continue to discuss about subject like "Passive Radar" since you have absolute NO idea what you are talking about.

https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-5#post-6927784

https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-5#post-6931905

https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-3#post-5119277

There is no such thing as a 'passive' radar.

As an aside, I have yet to see any of the PDF Chinese technically elucidate any subject related to the technical side of the military.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

You fool...

https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-5#post-6927784
https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-5#post-6931905
https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-3#post-5119277
There is no such thing as a 'passive' radar.

As an aside, I have yet to see any of the PDF Chinese technically elucidate any subject related to the technical side of the military.

That why I have regards all these posting of yours as GARBAGE. By now, I am totally convinced you know nut about how passive coherent location radar works. So I am NOT going to waste any more time on this subject with an pretentious imbecile like you.

'Passive radar' could render stealth planes obsolete
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/radar-detects-stealth-aircraft

However I am still waiting for comment on this.

"Since you BOASTED that you are so KNOWLEDGEABLE and SMART, I would like to listen to your comment or opinion about the so-called "Assymetric Advantages" USA has over the other adversaries in the Western Pacific especially China."

 

[xunzi]

You fool...

https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-5#post-6927784

https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-5#post-6931905

https://defence.pk/threads/fundamen...ts-of-rcs-reduction.73549/page-3#post-5119277

There is no such thing as a 'passive' radar.

As an aside, I have yet to see any of the PDF Chinese technically elucidate any subject related to the technical side of the military.

You always get the *** hack in the CDF on technicall

If China want to defeat US in technology, playing a catch up is not enough, we have to go beyond uncharted scientific domain and not just a follower of US foot steps, only by discover something news that US can't counter will give us some advantages and a chance to defeat them.

We can outproduce them. In war, three things are important.

1. manpower
2. raw material
3. fuel

as long as we control those 3 ingredient, we can dance with them with all days and every day..

 

[gambit]

That why I have regards all these posting of yours as GARBAGE. By now, I am totally convinced you know nut about how passive coherent location radar works. So I am NOT going to waste any more time on this subject with an pretentious imbecile like you.

'Passive radar' could render stealth planes obsolete
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/radar-detects-stealth-aircraft

And yet neither you nor the PDF Chinese have proved me wrong. I can tell you understood not one word I posted.

I challenge you to take ANY part of your own link and debate like a rational person.

But we can begins here...

The system Cassidian proposes, however, wouldn't be fooled by standard stealth cloaking techniques because it takes advantage of a range of signals which surround us constantly. There's no need to fire out signals and look for their reflections -- instead, the detector system looks at a host of signals floating in the atmosphere already (like aforementioned radio and mobile phone signals) and looks for how they're blocked or altered by having to pass through or around objects. Triangulating several different sources can build up a picture of a landscape or airspace, with stealth planes and ships just as visible as everything else.

I say that this paragraph proves me correct: that there is no such thing as a 'passive' radar.

I predict that you, just like the PDF Chinese, will chickenshit out of this challenge.

However I am still waiting for comment on this.

"Since you BOASTED that you are so KNOWLEDGEABLE and SMART, I would like to listen to your comment or opinion about the so-called "Assymetric Advantages" USA has over the other adversaries in the Western Pacific especially China."

Until you debate on what is a 'passive' radar, we can put this off.

But I will give you a hint: Low radar observability is an 'asymmetrical advantage'.

This is typical of your kind. You cannot debate intelligently on a subject that you brought on, so you engage in distractions.

You always get the *** hack in the CDF on technicall

And CDF died.

 

[DavidSling]

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