The Reason Why America's F-35 Would Crush China's J-20 Stealth Fighter in Battle

[Asoka]

Heard 1000 of the F-35s have crashed so far.

Someone has predicted F-35 will stop production at 500 units. That will be 2500 "crashed" or "blown away" without a shot fired by its opponents.

 

[cnleio]

Not only F 35 but Rafale and Tejas Mk2 can easily kill J20. As Indian airmarshal said, J 20 is not a stealth aircraft so it is useless to compare it with real 5th generation fighters. It does not have 5th generation RCS, Nor powerful engine of Fifth generation plane, nor avionics nor weapons. It will be a flying duck with its lethargic speed. It failed to impress spectators in recent Zhuhai air show. I doubd whether china will be able to use it in any war. Recently russian diplomat said about PAKFA that it is a fifth generation plane. Fifth generation means Fifth generation design, Suitable engine for fifth generation plane and fifth generation plane avionics and weapons. J 20 has neither of this.

LOL ... Indian poor media is invincible over the world, if Tejas Mk2 can easily kill j20, sounds like Mig21 can kill F22. It's the fatal for ppl thinking their ignorance as their courage, 1st try to build a useful domestic AESA and Jet engines on fighter not from foreign, pls forget j20 try to kill J-10A/J-10B/J-10C for Tejas Mk2 ... wait a moment JF-17 BlockII vs Tejas Mk2. Futuer JF-17 BlockIII will equip KLJ-7A AESA radar supported from China, Hurry up India Tejas Mk2 need give AESA order to foreign.

 

[Globenim]

J 20 is not a stealth. It is big, It has a very poor maneuverability, it is damn slow and not good for war. In Zhuhai air show, it failed to impress even the customers of third world countries.

Cool unsubstantiated opinions. You should add more media layman buzzwords for maximum polemic. Thats going to greatly improve the discussion.

 

[Akasa]

Not only F 35 but Rafale and Tejas Mk2 can easily kill J20.

I can just as easily claim that a JF-17 can "kill" a Su-30MKI if I weren't obligated to back it up with a technical argument or sources.

As Indian airmarshal said, J 20 is not a stealth aircraft so it is useless to compare it with real 5th generation fighters.

So it must be true, then.

It does not have 5th generation RCS,

I'd like to see RCS values (head on and all-aspect) of the F-22, F-35, J-20, FC-31, and PAK FA, please.

Nor powerful engine of Fifth generation plane

Neither does the PAK FA at this stage. But would it really be relevant when its current engines are only interim?

, nor avionics

I'd like to see the radar ranges, target tracking capabilities, and anti-jamming capacities of the radars aboard the F-22, F-35, J-20, FC-31, & PAK FA, please.

nor weapons.

Such as...?

It will be a flying duck with its lethargic speed.

And what would be the maximum speed of the J-20, according to your authoritative & credible technical data?

It failed to impress spectators in recent Zhuhai air show.

I'm glad you took the effort to interview every single soul who saw the J-20's performance at the airshow.

I doubd whether china will be able to use it in any war.

Considering that your leaders are in pursuit of their own 5th generation aircraft, the FGFA, does your doubt really matter?

Recently russian diplomat said about PAKFA that it is a fifth generation plane. Fifth generation means Fifth generation design, Suitable engine for fifth generation plane and fifth generation plane avionics and weapons. J 20 has neither of this.

Yes, and an US president said that he "did not have sexual relations with that woman". We all know what happens when you take pompous rhetoric too seriously.

I am not interested in this sort of BS discussion any more. you discuss whatever give you fun and excitement.

Oh, the irony.

J 20 is not a stealth. It is big,

So is the F-22.

It has a very poor maneuverability,

Can you provide the turn rates (instantaneous & sustained), climb rates, and roll rates of the F-22, F-35, J-20, FC-31, and PAK FA, to validate your claim?

it is damn slow and not good for war. In Zhuhai air show, it failed to impress even the customers of third world countries.

What's the J-20's top speed? Can you provide a poll indicating that the attendees of the Zhuhai Air Show didn't find the J-20 "impressive".

J 20 is not a cause of concern.

Then why is your government busting its chops trying to find a 5th generation fighter, the FGFA?

 

[52051]

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india has never been a cause of concern for China, now go away, nobody cares indians anyway.

 

[The SC]

Wasn't China able to network a swarm of UAVs lately? isn't that a proof of the air wing networking capabilities, at least at a small scale?
I believe it was a demonstration of this exact capability the OP article talks about..

 

[The SC]

Here is how the Kolchuga and VERA systems theoretically works...

Say I am the F-22 being painted and received this way...

Basic geometry says angle of deflection = angle of incident (arrival). So we are going to give this bi-static set up an ideal situation. Receiver B is exactly 90 deg from Transmitter, which means B receives the most of the return signal from me, the F-22. Receiver A receives some, but far less.

The argument is this...


This is where the argument gets idiotic.

Which is unidentifiable and undetectable ? Surely not the transmitter. It is active. I can, thru my RWR set, see where these transmission coming from. I can analyze its characteristics to know what kind of radar is it.

Do I care if there are two receivers picking me up from those reflected signals ? No, I do not.

Do I even KNOW if there are two receivers picking me up from those reflected signals ? No, I do not.

Since my RWR told me where the transmitter is, what if I drop a few SDBs on the transmitter ?

Now what are those receivers going to do ? Absent transmission signals, I would not be reflecting anything. Those two receivers are essentially -- useless.

Do I even care if they exists ? No, I do not. All I care about is the transmitter. Destroy or degrade the transmitter, and I have just broken up the necessary bi-static triangles of the set up.

Real physics says: Radar detection is a two-parts process, Transmit and Receive.

But 'Chinese physics' disagrees, as mocked by Corny here, and 'Chinese physics' did not explain how radar works.

Radar detection is a two-parts process: Transmit and Receive.

Absent either one, and there is no radar detection. It does not matter if the transmission signals are from dedicated transmitter, or from a TV tower, or from a cell phone tower, or from a radio tower, or even from Mars. As long as there is a transmission source or sources, we will have radar detection.

There is no such thing as a 'passive' radar. Real physics says so.

A good explanation over all.. in ideal conditions though..but way too simplistic, since the transmitter will only be destroyed in the ideal condition of air superiority or air supremacy cases, while the author forgot that the F-22 position has been compromised too before he was able to bomb the transmitter, since before that have happened, the receivers got all the data the air defence needed to shoot down the plane.. and not to forget that the transmitters my have redundancy, i.e; other transmitters hidden not too far away and who will start transmitting after the first one is destroyed..
Anyway we are talking about the bi-static radars here, while a true passive radar or sonar do not transmit, instead they just receive or listen.. this is my understanding of the passive concept..

 

[Akasa]

We show that when you bagged Su 35 from russia when we made a deal for rafale.

The Su-35s have nothing to do with the Rafale or India. They have been deployed in southern China to escort bombers on patrol and act as stop-gaps until the more advanced J-11D are inducted.

Read it again. I have given the detail.

What detail? If you want your so-called "argument" to fall on open ears, at least provide one with substantiative reason and evidence.

Than J 20 is not a cause of concern and we need not include that in our threat profile to take any counter measures. Our Mig 21 bison and Mirage will take care of it.

Of course. And the Pakistani JF-17s can eliminate your Rafales, FGFA, Su-30MKIs, and MiG-29Ks just so long as I claim that they can and am not obligated to provide evidence or reasoning.

RCS values are confidential

. When our Air marshal said that it is not stealth means it is not stealth. You can search on net to find out RCS value. We do not want to waste our time on this plane which is none of our concern. Our Mirage 2000 UPG will deal with it as and when required.

Oh, the irony.

Such as AAM of PAKFA which can not only shoot down enemy plane but also incoming enemy missiles.

And, let me guess, this was also claimed by your all-knowing "air marshal"?

It flies like glider. You can quote mach 2+ from any chinese source. We do not bother.

If you want it to fly like a glider, it will fly like a glider. That doesn't have any bearing on what the J-20 is capable of doing when pushed to its limits.

Your whole effort to defend J 20 is an irony.

Effort? With your level of logic? Nah.

No J 20 is bigger.

Not according to the estimates. But guess what; the B-2 is "bigger" than the Tu-22M3 and yet we both know which one is more survivable in a radar environment.

You can see them on net.

Pl Exclude PAKFA. You will never be able to make any plane like it even after generations. See it flying and if you are not charged with hyper nationalism you will witness a very very big difference. There is absolutely no match.

Ah, the Internet. I rest my case.

See the video of air show of J 20, Tejas and PAKFA. There will be no need to explain anything.

Hint: there is reason why flight trials of aircraft are done at secretive air bases and not in front of an audience.

Who told you that we do it to counter china? We are on a mission to make our airforce best and comparable to best. And china nowhere comes into picture. We ate leat bothered about your J series of Planes.

For the sake of your country's goals, let's hope your leaders don't think the way you do.