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The murder of history in Pakistan

I don't get why simply pointing out the way history has been distorted in Pakistan and the way public has been lied to makes 'libs' self haters. Pakistani identity crisis is a reality and it exists

I don't know one Pakistani that calls himself an Arab. I'm being one hundred percent serious as someone who has lived in rural Punjab and a few cities.

Pakistan has always been a mix of cultures and ideas, that is why you may think there is an identity crisis.

We can either create a culture, or adapt to surrounding ones.
 
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Pakistanis are intellectually dishonest, morally corrupt and very low IQ IMHO (Indians are not much different).I mean students even at Bachelors Level and Masters level don't know sh!t about International Relations and always come up with most absurd theories ( e.g We have trillion dollar reserves, Abdul Qadir can fix our electricity problems in days..Abdul Qadir could send satellite to Space and Musharraf stopped him, 9/11 was inside job..The fact that we have a significant number of people who follow someone like Zaid Hamid is just disturbing to say the least - I like Zaid Hamid as a nationalist but he should stop spreading hate against other religions like he always come up with jewish conspiracy theory). Even the leftist elite are dishonest bunch who support other countries who can basically provide them bucks..they switch from left to right or right to left on the bases of $$$..just like once Hussain Haqqani was Jamati.Now I know people will jump at me and say even US has nutjobs with millions of followers (Glen Beck, Ann Coulter etc..) but we should be better than others.
 
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Old but relevant

Unanswered questions

After going through the Herald magazine’s annual issue, which this year included a survey on Pakistani youth, I was compelled to write about the identity crisis plaguing the youngsters of this country today. Pakistan’s turbulent history has widened, rather than resolved, the contradictions present in our society, leaving society as polarised as ever. The young generation is still searching for the answers that previous generations of Pakistanis have failed to provide.

This prevalent identity crisis is spurred at an early school-going age. Text books are written to pursue expedient policies and internalise certain notions of ‘national interest,’ which may come at the expense of imbuing the children with ideologies that promote hate and intolerance. For this purpose, history is twisted and turned to suit petty interests. Few individuals are revered, others are demonised. Accounts of events from history are printed with knowing distortions and glaring omissions. According to a report compiled by the Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SDPI), which examined text books for grades one to 12, most text books “[encourage] or
discrimination against women, religious and ethnic minorities and other nations.”​


War is glorified in the process, while peace is not given the emphasis it needs. War is a breakdown of diplomacy, an utter failure of humanity, one that is often branded and disguised as an expression of bravery and courage in our books. This practice reminds me of a Stephen Fisher dialogue in Alfred Hitchcock’s Foreign Correspondent (1940), when he says, “they combine a mad love of country with an equally mad indifference to life, their own as well as others. They are cunning, unscrupulous, inspired.”

One may argue that this kind of text book perversion is a standard practice in order to promote nationalism and patriotism. The troubling effects of this ‘standard practice’ are pretty much evident in the increasing social turmoil in our society. If our youth are not aware of our historical follies, how are we planning to ensure that we do not end up travelling down the same cul-de-sac again? Is it really due to our ‘security interests’ that findings such as the Hamoodur Rehman Commission report never see the light of the day? Young individuals, who get the opportunity to read beyond their text books, are increasingly questioning the biased versions of our historical narratives. Others, who are not lucky enough to read widely, have formulated views which are far from the truth.

Many recent surveys, like the British Council’s ‘Next Generation Report’, have also highlighted an alarmingly high ratio of youth that have no faith in democracy and would prefer a totalitarian regime under military rulers. This is not just about the large Facebook following of a former military dictator; rather, it’s about the rampant disillusionment among today’ youth with the present system, which they believe has failed to deliver on countless occasions due to inept policies and politicians.

Moreover, many young people feel that reaffirming their national identity comes at the cost of losing their provincial identity. Concepts such as unity in diversity or multicultural coexistence are very much needed today. In a country like ours, until the voice of every ethnicity and minority is not heard, until their due concerns are not addressed, a true consensus – which is indispensable for a federation to show progress – can not be forged. For instance, it does not amount to lack of patriotism or treason for a Baloch to ask for more provincial autonomy.

This brings me to another disturbing trend. The intricate issues in which we are caught are often very frustrating for the youth. While groping for solutions in this dark period, the youth are exploited by certain individuals who with their oratory skills present a simplistic answer to complicated dilemmas by urging them to focus on a common external enemy. They spit venom, blabber about conspiracy theories, and preach jingoism in the media.

This strategy works, and it is nothing different from our flawed policies of looking at everything through a security prism, which we have already been doing at a larger level. Well, when the rival countries of Europe could be brought under a single banner by highlighting an external threat of communism, many believe same effect can be achieved with the diverse population of Pakistan by the use of a single external enemy. So manipulative minds use a bit of warmongering to unite the nation. Of course, in the process, our own inefficacies can be brushed under the carpet as well.

In the words of Syed Ali Abbas Zaidi, an Islamabad-based youth activist and the founder of the Pakistan Youth Alliance, “we are a nation of 170 million, confused about our ideology, our very basis, our culture and sociology, our religion, our priorities and our enemies.” He points out that it is easier for most Pakistanis to condemn atrocities committed by a Jewish state thousands of miles away, than to raise a voice against extremism which may have claimed more lives in our own backyard. The point is not to underscore Gaza atrocities, but to highlight the reluctance on our part to identify our own failures as well. To do that, our youth will have to rise above bifurcations to call spade a spade and will raise their guard against the chicanery of hate-preaching demagogues.

http://blog.dawn.com/2010/02/01/unanswered-questions/
 
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Some lib Isloo Pakis might be having an identity crisis, but I believe it is unfair to burden the rest of Pakistanis with their baggage.
 
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I don't know one Pakistani that calls himself an Arab. I'm being one hundred percent serious as someone who has lived in rural Punjab and a few cities.

I certify your statement.

Pakistanis proudly say we are jatts, rajputs etc

Some time even fight with each other to prove who is more powerful.

And if you say them that you are arabs they will make fun of you.
 
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Pakistanis are intellectually dishonest, morally corrupt and very low IQ IMHO (Indians are not much different).I mean students even at Bachelors Level and Masters level don't know sh!t about International Relations and always come up with most absurd theories ( e.g We have trillion dollar reserves, Abdul Qadir can fix our electricity problems in days..Abdul Qadir could send satellite to Space and Musharraf stopped him, 9/11 was inside job..The fact that we have a significant number of people who follow someone like Zaid Hamid is just disturbing to say the least - I like Zaid Hamid as a nationalist but he should stop spreading hate against other religions like he always come up with jewish conspiracy theory). Even the leftist elite are dishonest bunch who support other countries who can basically provide them bucks..they switch from left to right or right to left on the bases of $$$..just like once Hussain Haqqani was Jamati.Now I know people will jump at me and say even US has nutjobs with millions of followers (Glen Beck, Ann Coulter etc..) but we should be better than others.


I agree with most of what you have said.
But I don't think it's a Pakistani condition, I think it is a Human condition.

People like to make up conspiracy theories when they are ill informed about why things are happening the way they are happening.
Americans do it (WMD's in Iraq, Iran will get Nukes, Taliban attacked America etc) And our Indian friends also do it (Pakistan government attacked Mumbai, ISI is responsible for every bad thing that happens to them)

The solution is proper education, and to get a proper education you need a proper government.
 
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Some lib Isloo Pakis might be having an identity crisis, but I believe it is unfair to burden the rest of Pakistanis with their baggage.

I don't know one Pakistani that calls himself an Arab. I'm being one hundred percent serious as someone who has lived in rural Punjab and a few cities.

Pakistan has always been a mix of cultures and ideas, that is why you may think there is an identity crisis.

We can either create a culture, or adapt to surrounding ones.

Well i guess you people have missed a large part of Pakistani society.

The Awans, similarly, have a fictional ancestor called Qutb Shah from the line of the last caliph of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs. My friend Kaiser Tufail, an Arain, has had himself genetically tested from the US. He has no trace of Arab blood. His line comes from what is now Uzbekistan and has lived from early historic times in the subcontinent. The rest of us of this clan will see similar results should we go through this exercise. Kaiser had his son-in-law, an Awan, also tested. He, too, is singularly clean of Arab genes.
Most of us are the progeny of converts. In their need to escape the discrimination of the so-called higher castes, our ancestors converted to a religion that in theory claimed to profess human equality regardless of colour or caste. I use the words ‘in theory’ because even as the Arabs converted our ancestors to Islam, they discriminated against them for being “Hindis” as we learn this from Ibn Batuta’s own prejudices. And he is not alone.
Consequently, even after conversion, my ancestors, poor agriculturists, were looked down upon by the Arabs and even those who had converted earlier the same way as they were by the Brahmans when they professed their Vedic belief. Within a generation or two, those early converts began the great lie of Arab ancestry to be equal to other converts and the Arabs. This became universal with time.

Arab origins – The Express Tribune
 
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I can't be no Arab, (though I have respect for them as people) my identity is as follows, Pakistani, Shia Muslim, Punjabi, Jatt, CSPR. We Punjabis are proud of our various origins and the martial exploits of our forefathers. The only people with the identity crisis are the wishy washy liberal surrender monkeys. I am a social liberal, enjoy a tipple, but am also an extreme Pakistani Nationalist.
 
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I can't be no Arab, (though I have respect for them as people) my identity is as follows, Pakistani, Shia Muslim, Punjabi, Jatt, CSPR. We Punjabis are proud of our various origins and the martial exploits of our forefathers. The only people with the identity crisis are the wishy washy liberal surrender monkeys. I am a social liberal, enjoy a tipple, but am also an extreme Pakistani Nationalist.

First I am Muslim, then I am Pakistani, then I am an Arain.

That is my identity. Nobody is having a crisis on my end.
 
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Ps Also love Classical Music, here is a treat Vivaldi's Winter - Four Seasons, put this on my IPhone, while firing my arsenal of military weapons. Enjoy.
 
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Pakistani identity crisis is a reality and it exists

Does it now? I'm guessing it's people like you who are facing this crisis then :lol:
I bet guys like you even regret the creation of Pakistan and would jump at the first chance to be Indian or merge Pak with India.
 
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He points out that it is easier for most Pakistanis to condemn atrocities committed by a Jewish state thousands of miles away, than to raise a voice against extremism which may have claimed more lives in our own backyard. The point is not to underscore Gaza atrocities, but to highlight the reluctance on our part to identify our own failures as well.

This is the key idea..
to focus anger and frustration at internal problems on an external source and use to incite masses for political benefit.
The story of Pakistani Mullahs from day one.
 
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