The murder of history in Pakistan

[bindaas]

I can't be no Arab, (though I have respect for them as people) my identity is as follows, Pakistani, Shia Muslim, Punjabi, Jatt, CSPR. We Punjabis are proud of our various origins and the martial exploits of our forefathers. The only people with the identity crisis are the wishy washy liberal surrender monkeys. I am a social liberal, enjoy a tipple, but am also an extreme Pakistani Nationalist.

And Punjabis don't know who are their pre-Islamic ancestors because Pakistan's history starts with bin qasim conquest of Sindh.

 

[RazPaK]

This thread is laughable.


Pakistanis sitting in the dark, dying in the heat, and pissed about inflation are questioning whether they are Arab or not.

Yup.

 

[Rafi]

And Punjabis don't know who are their pre-Islamic ancestors because Pakistan's history starts with bin qasim conquest of Sindh.

Who are you to lecture us, my ancestor Manga was a cavalry commander - who fought with Porus against Alexander, it doesn't get any more pre-Islamic than that - does it.

 

[RazPaK]

And Punjabis don't know who are their pre-Islamic ancestors because Pakistan's history starts with bin qasim conquest of Sindh.

All humans come from the same place, so no need to spread your Saffron propaganda.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Detailed Report on distortions made in textbooks

The Subtle Subversion
The State of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan

quoting some points

The March 2002 revision of curricula undertaken by the Curriculum Wing of the Ministry of Education did not address the problems that existed in earlier curriculum documents. In some cases, these problems are now even worse.

Our analysis found that some of the most significant problems in the current curricula and textbooks are:

• Inaccuracies of fact and omissions that serve to substantially distort the nature and significance of actual events in our history.
  
• Insensitivity to the existing religious diversity of the nation
  
• Incitement to militancy and violence, including encouragement of Jehad and Shahadat
  
• Perspectives that encourage prejudice, bigotry and discrimination towards fellow citizens, especially women and religious minorities, and other towards nations.
• A glorification of war and the use of force
  
• Omission of concepts, events and material that could encourage critical self awareness among students
  
• Outdated and incoherent pedagogical practices that hinder the development of interest and insight among students
  

picked up directed from textbooks, I don't know why and how people will deny these distortions

Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.131
The religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things -- Hindus did not respect women...132
Hindus worship in temples which are very narrow and dark places, where they worship idols. Only one person can enter the temple at a time. In our mosques, on the other hand, all Muslims can say their prayers together.133
This division of men [among Aryans] into different castes is the worst example of tyranny in the history of the world. In course of time the Aryans began to be called the Hindus.134
‘the social evils of the Hindus’135
“The Hindus lived in small and dark houses. Child marriage was common in those days. Women were assigned a low position in society. In case the husband of a woman died, she was burnt alive with his dead body. This was called ‘sati’. … The killing of shudras was not punished, but the murder of a Brahman was a serious crime. … However, the people of low caste were not
allowed to learn this language. The caste system had made their life miserable.”136
Muslim children of India wear shalwar kameez or shirt and pajama and Hindu children wear Dhoti also.137
Hindus thought that there was no country other than India, nor any people other than the Indians, nor did anyone else possess any knowledge138. [Amazingly, this sentence, meant to denigrate Hindus, describes the response of the local people to Al Beruni’s visit to India. This is despite the fact that Alexander the Greek had come to this land many centuries earlier, that the rule of the Mauryas and the Guptas stretched to the lands from where Al Beruni had come, that the Arabs had conquered Sindh before Al Beruni’s visit, that the Arab conquest was also aimed against the Ismailis who had settled in the area around Multan much earlier, and that the Arabic mathematics was deeply influenced by the Indian mathematics, etc., etc.]
Hindu pundits were jealous of Al Beruni. Since they could not compete against Al Beruni in knowledge, they started calling him a magician.139
The Sultans of Delhi were tolerant in religious matters. They never forced the non-Muslims to convert to Islam. The Hindus embraced Islam due to the kind treatment of the Muslims.
The caste system of the Hindus had made the life of the common people miserable. They were treated like animals. Nobody could claim equality with Brahmins.140
The Hindus who have always been opportunists cooperated with the English.142
The Hindus praised the British rule and its blessings in their speeches The Hindus had the upper hand in the Congress and they established good relations with the British. This party tried its best to safeguard the interests of the Hindus. Gradually it became purely a Hindu organization. Most of the Hindu leaders of the Congress were not prepared to tolerate the presence of the Muslims in the sub-continent. They demanded that the Muslims should either
embrace Hinduism or leave the country. The party was so close to the Government that it would not let the Government do any work as would be of benefit to the Muslims. The partition of Bengal can be quoted as an example.143
…but Hindus very cunningly succeeded in making the British believe that the Muslims were solely responsible for the [1857] rebellion.144
The British confiscated all lands [from the Muslims] and gave them to Hindus.145
In December 1885, an Englishman Mr. Humes … formed a political party named Indian National Congress, the purpose of which was to politically organize Hindus.146
Therefore in order to appease the Hindus and the Congress, the British announced political reforms. Muslims were not eligible to vote. Hindus voter never voted for a Muslim, therefore, …147
[A shear distortion, and a blatant lie that the Muslims were ineligible to vote]
The height of Hindu-Muslim amity was seen during the Khilafat Movement, but as soon as the movement was over, the anti-Muslim feelings among Hindus resurfaced.148
Nehru report exposed the Hindu mentality.149
The Quaid saw through the “machinations” of the Hindus.150
Hindus declared the Congress rule as the Hindu rule, and started to unleash terror on Muslims.151
At the behest of the government [during the Congress rule], Hindu “goondas” started killing Muslims and burning their property.152
The Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase the Muslim culture and civilisation. Hindi-Urdu controversy, shudhi and sanghtan movements are the most glaring examples of the ignoble Hindu mentality.153
The British, with the assistance of the Hindus, adopted a cruel policy of mass exodus against the Muslims to erase them as a nation The British adopted a policy of large scale massacre (mass extermination) against the Muslims The Muslim population of the Muslim minority provinces faced atrocities of the Hindu majority
[The Muslims] were not allowed to profess their religion freely
Hindu nationalism was being imposed upon Muslims and their culture All India Congress turned into a pure Hindu organisation
The Congress was striving very hard to project the image of united India, which was actually aimed at the extermination of the Muslims from the Indian society
The two Hindu organisations [Congress and Mahasabha] were determined to destroy the national character of the Muslims to dominate and subjugate them perpetually. 154
While the Muslims provided all type of help to those wishing to leave Pakistan, the people of India committed cruelties against the Muslims (refugees). They would attack the buses, trucks, and trains carrying the Muslim refugees and they were murdered and looted.155
The Hindus in Pakistan were treated very nicely when they were migrating as opposed to the inhuman treatment meted out to the Muslim migrants from India. (Musalmanon nein Pakistan se janay walay Hinduon ko her qissam ki sahulatein deen , lekin Baharat ke logon nein Musalmnon per bohat Zulm kiyay).156
After the Cripps Missions, Congress raised the “Quit India” slogan, which meant the British should leave, handing over the rule to Hindus.157
After 1965 war India conspired with the Hindus of Bengal and succeeded in spreading hate among the Bengalis about West Pakistan and finally attacked on East Pakistan in December 71, thus causing the breakup of East and West Pakistan.158


131 Urdu Class V, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 108
132 Muasherati Ulum for Class IV, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, 1995, p 81
133 Muasherati Ulum for Class V, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, 1996, p 109
134 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002: p 59
135 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002: p 59
136 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002: p 67
137 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, p 79
138 Social Studies Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 82
139 Social Studies Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 82
140 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002: p 109
141 Urdu Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 221
142 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002: p 141
143 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002: p 143
144 Social Studies Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 90
145 Social Studies Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 91 [This is stated despite the fact that all the large feudal lords in the part that later formed Pakistan were Muslims]
146 Social Studies Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 94
147 Social Studies Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 94-95
148 Social Studies, Class VIII – Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore. March 2002, p 100
149 Social Studies, Class VIII – Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore. March 2002, p 102
150 Social Studies Class-VII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, ?, p 51
151 Social Studies, Class VIII – Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore. March 2002, p 104
152 Social Studies, Class VIII – Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore. March 2002, p 104-105
153 M. Ikram Rabbani and Monawar Ali Sayyid, An Introduction to Pakistan studies, The Caravan Book House, Lahore, 1995, p 12
154 National Curriculum English (Compulsory) for Class XI-XII, March 2002, pp 6, 13, 31, 45, 7, 25, 8, 46, 48, 50
155 National Early Childhood Education Curriculum (NECEC), Ministry of Education, Government of Pakistan, March 2002, p 85
156 Social Studies Class- IV, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, p. 85
157 Social Studies, Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 110
158 Social Studies (in Urdu) Class- V, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, p 112

Curriculum documents state the following as the specific learning objectives:

• The child should be able to] understand the Hindu and Muslim differences and the resultant need for Pakistan98
  
• Develop understanding of the Hindu Muslim Differences and need for Pakistan99
  
• Hindu-Muslim Differences in Culture, .. India’s evil designs against Pakistan (the three wars with India)100
  
• Identify the events in relation to Hindu-Muslim differences, which laid the foundations for Pakistan101

The textbooks then respond in the following way to the above curriculum instructions:

Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.102
The religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things -- Hindus did not respect women...103
Hindus worship in temples which are very narrow and dark places, where they worship idols. Only one person can enter the temple at a time. In our mosques, on the other hand, all Muslims can say their prayers together.104
‘ … the social evils of the Hindus’105
Hindus thought that there was no country other than India, nor any people other than the Indians, nor did anyone else possess any knowledge106.
A story “The Enemy Pilot”, about a captured Indian pilot, presumably of Hindu faith] He had only been taught never to have pity on Muslims, to always bother the neighbouring Muslims, to weaken them to the extent that they forget about freedom, and that it is better to finish off the enemy. He remembered that the Hindus tried to please their Devi Kali by slaughtering innocent people of other faiths at her feet; that they regarded everybody else as untouchables. He knew that his country India had attacked Pakistan in the dead of the night to bleed Pakistani Muslims and to dominate the entire Subcontinent.107
The Hindus have always been opportunists cooperated with the English.108
…but Hindus very cunningly succeeded in making the British believe that the Muslims were solely responsible for the [1857] rebellion.109
Nehru report exposed the Hindu mentality.110
The Quaid saw through the machinations of the Hindus.111
Hindus declared the Congress rule as the Hindu rule, and started to unleash terror on Muslims.112
The Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase the Muslim culture and civilisation. Hindi-Urdu controversy, shudhi and sanghtan movements are the most glaring examples of the ignoble Hindu mentality.113
While the Muslims provided all type of help to those wishing to leave Pakistan, the people of India committed cruelties against the Muslims (refugees). They would attack the buses, trucks, and trains carrying the Muslim refugees and they were murdered and looted.114
After 1965 war India conspired with the Hindus of Bengal and succeeded in spreading hate among the Bengalis about West Pakistan and finally attacked on East Pakistan in December 71, thus causing the breakup of East and West Pakistan.115

98 Curriculum Document, Primary Education, Classes K-V, Integrated and Subject Based, National Bureau of
Curriculum and Textbooks, Ministry of Education, Government of Pakistan, Islamabad, 1995, p 151
99 National Curriculum, Social Studies for Classes I-V, Government of Pakistan, Ministry of Education
(Curriculum Wing) Islamabad, March 2002, p 35
100 National Curriculum, Social Studies for Classes I-V, Government of Pakistan, Ministry of Education
(Curriculum Wing) Islamabad, March 2002, p 35
101 National Curriculum, Social Studies for Classes I-V, Government of Pakistan, Ministry of Education
(Curriculum Wing) Islamabad, March 2002, p 35
102 Urdu Class V, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 108
103 Muasherati Ulum for Class IV, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, 1995, p 81
104 Muasherati Ulum for Class V, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, 1996, p 109
105 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002: p 59
106 Social Studies Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 82. This sentence, meant to denigrate Hindus, describes the response of the local people to Al Beruni’s visit to India. It is obviously a concocted lie because of the fact that Alexander the Greek had come to this land many centuries earlier, that the rule of the Mauryas and the Guptas stretched to the lands from where Al Beruni had come, that the Arabs had conquered Sindh before Al Beruni’s visit, that the Arab conquest was also aimed against the Ismailis who had settled in the area around Multan even earlier, and that the Arabic mathematics was deeply influenced by Indian mathematics, etc., etc.
107 Urdu Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 221
108 Social Studies Class VI, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002: p 141
109 Social Studies Class VIII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, March 2002, p 90
110 Social Studies, Class VIII – Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore. March 2002, p 102
111 Social Studies Class-VII, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, ?, p 51
112 Social Studies, Class VIII – Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore. March 2002, p 104
113 M. Ikram Rabbani and Monawar Ali Sayyid, An Introduction to Pakistan studies, The Caravan Book House, Lahore, 1995, p 12
114 National Early Childhood Education Curriculum (NECEC), Ministry of Education, Government of Pakistan, March 2002, p 85
115 Social Studies (in Urdu) Class- V, Punjab Textbook Board, Lahore, p 112

This thread is laughable.


Pakistanis sitting in the dark, dying in the heat, and pissed about inflation are questioning whether they are Arab or not.

Yup.

Of course economic condition of Pakistan is a problem so is the way people are being fed with lies and induced with hate

 

[Rusty]

And Punjabis don't know who are their pre-Islamic ancestors because Pakistan's history starts with bin qasim conquest of Sindh.

Our Pre-Islamic Ancestors were Hindus who got enlighten by Islam and especially wanted social Justice since most of them were living under the oppressive cast system that left them open to much abuse by the Brahman class.

Don't worry, we know our pre-Islamic ancestors and we also know why they chose Islam.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Of course economic condition of Pakistan is a problem so is the way people are being fed with lies and induced with hate

Fair enough; what should we do about it though? Make peace with India, vacate Kashmir, and start begging for India's friendship?
Lovely, but let's not forget India won't really swallow your existence until you become their 29th state.

 

[Great Sachin]

I agree with most of what you have said.
But I don't think it's a Pakistani condition, I think it is a Human condition.

People like to make up conspiracy theories when they are ill informed about why things are happening the way they are happening.
Americans do it (WMD's in Iraq, Iran will get Nukes, Taliban attacked America etc) And our Indian friends also do it (Pakistan government attacked Mumbai, ISI is responsible for every bad thing that happens to them)

The solution is proper education, and to get a proper education you need a proper government.

Actually you end up writing the truth......

 

[RazPaK]

Lib Pakistanis carry on with your propaganda. You people are the same degree of extremists on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Either you create a culture or you follow someone else.

Watching bollywood flicks will definitely make Jinnah proud.

Mindless sheeple.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Fair enough; what should we do about it though? Make peace with India, vacate Kashmir, and start begging for India's friendship?
Lovely, but let's not forget India won't really swallow your existence until you become their 29th state.

exactly the type of paranoia that has been mentioned. The simple fact is that incompetence of our Generals and politicians has been masked by distorting history and by inducing Public with sole objective of hating India. We of course have our differences with India but whats the point in organizing a hate campaign at large scale same goes for Indians

Lib Pakistanis carry on with your propaganda. You people are the same degree of extremists on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Either you create a culture or you follow someone else.

Watching bollywood flicks will definitely make Jinnah proud.

Mindless sheeple.

Eever heard pakistani libs filming beheading and killing people ?


Just let me ask you one simple thing. Do you think that there is no distortion of historical facts in Pakistan? Simply say 'yes or no'

 

[Hulk]

Murder of History(Part 1)​

1. Mujahidin had gone to conquer Kashmir in 1948.[/B]

The first war between newly-independent Pakistan and India happened in 1948 A.D in Kashmir Valley. It is postulated that the prime objective of Mujahideen(mostly from NWFP) was the liberation of Kashmir. Actually,when they reached near Sri Nagar, they forgot their “objective” and started criminal activities. Regarding this, Owen Bennet Jones in his book writes, “At this crucial juncture, when Kashmir was ready for the taking, Pakistan paid the price of the haphazard nature of its operations in Kashmir. Rather than striking forward, the tribesmen became distracted by the opportunities for plunder. Their increasingly lawless conduct had a disastrous consequence. The local Muslim population, rather than seeing them as liberators, began to fear them and, far from providing help to the tribesmen, turned against them. These developments and the bad international press Pakistan was receiving as a result of the invasion dismayed the government in Karachi. Officials not only disowned the tribesmen but also obstructed them. (Owen Bennet Jones, Pakistan:Eye of the storm, Yale University Press; 2002; Chapter 3; page 65) Sherbaz Khan Mazari, a seventeen year-old tribal leader from Balochistan who tried to take some men to join in the fighting, later recounted that when he tried to enter Kashmir, ‘I was stopped by Pakistani officials who told me in clear cut terms that I would not be allowed to cross into Kashmir. It became clear that they thought we were intent on partaking in the plunder that was taking place.’ (Sherbaz Khan Mazari, A Journey to Disillusionment, Oxford University Press,Karachi, 2000, pp. 11 and 12.)

2. Our Ancestors arrived from Arabian Peninsula.

This claim has been made by the Ghairat Brigade since long. They have tried to downplay the linkages that we have with our subcontinental ancestors and tried via popular media and textbooks to somehow prove that our ancestors were not people living in the Subcontinent for thousands of years rather they came from the Arabian Peninsula.
A look at the genealogies of two of our founding fathers i.e Jinnah and Iqbal tells us that Mr. Jinnah belonged to a Sindhi family that had migrated to Gujarat.(Akbar S Ahmad, Jinnah, Pakistan and Islamic Identity; Routledge, 1997; Chapter 1,page 1 ) while Iqbal belonged to a Kashmiri Sheikh family. Also, there was a considerable population consisting of Jatts and Gujjars before Islam came to our part of the world. Most of us are descendents of those early converts. The people most likely to have come down from Arabia are the Syeds who claim to be direct descendents from the Prophet (PBUH). Interestingly, in a research conduted by University College London, Y chromosomes of self-identified Syeds from the Indian subcontinent show evidence of elevated Arab ancestry but not of a recent common patrilineal origin For more on the castes of our country, visit this page.

3. Sheikh Mujib ur Rehman and his Awami league wanted to break the country.

In its report on the events of 1971, the Hamood-ur-Rehman Commission argued that: ‘We must give full weight to the fact that before the elections he[Mujib] offered the Council Muslim League and the Jamaat-e-Islami a number of seats in East Pakistan which would have still permitted him to obtain the majority of the East Pakistan seats but not to have a clear majority in the whole house. Quite clearly his purpose was to be able to play the role of the leader of the largest single party without being under pressure for (sic) members of his own party to go through with the Six Point programme on the basis of an overall majority in the house. This fact clearly established that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, at that time at least, had not decided on secession’. (Hamoodur Rehman Commission Report, part I, chapter VI, para. 96; Dawn; 13 January 2001; page 21)

And countless times we have to discuss the above, still not many people like put effort to get to reality. I guess accepting reality will make them weaker in argument against the Indians hence they prefer to stay with fake history.

 

[Great Sachin]

Does it now? I'm guessing it's people like you who are facing this crisis then
I bet guys like you even regret the creation of Pakistan and would jump at the first chance to be Indian or merge Pak with India.

Please dont even think of merging Pakistan with India....nobody will like it

 

[Rafi]

Please dont even think of merging Pakistan with India....

We wouldn't dream of it, Pakistan and india are different people, and we want to stay that way.

 

[Hulk]

The book is a great read.. and an eye opener for the sort of lies poured into Pakistani minds since the first dictatorship of Ayub Khan.
You need these lies to keep control over a populous, and make certain institutions seem "god-gifted" and untouchable.
Thankfully, that is all changing.. even from within these institutions as more educated people join its ranks.

If it is changing it is good, however some of these points at still made by Pakistani's in many threads and no senior Pakistani makes effort to correct them. my two cents. If I will see an Indian stating something wrong, I will correct him and so does many other Indians do.

We wouldn't dream of it, Pakistan and india are different people, and we want to stay that way.

Correct and Bangladeshi and Pakistani are also different.

 

[Bratva]

Sorry wrong post.