The Fight against PKK Terrorism

[Hakan]

Yup, here's a 60 (short) ton Abrams being tossed around like its nothing.

This talk of Cobra being ill-suited or out of its element might be true, they aren't MRAPs, but it's not as if MRAPs are invincible either:

The Cobra is fine, nothing is going to stand against large IEDs, not even the mighty Abrams with all its upgrades due to operational experience in Iraq. Upgrades designed to make the Abrams more resistant to IEDs.

@xenon54 any interest on the Turkish side for a MCLC for IED clearing? Like Abrams, Altay could support two MCLC charges for demolition duties.

The US uses these to clear paths before moving troops and they do a damn good job at clearing mines and IED. If the IED isn't destroyed (for insensitive) or detonated (non-insenstive), their trigger, such as a wire, isn't likely to survive the blast rendering the IED useless.

It's an expensive option, but Turkish lives are even more costly and I'd rather our brother remain safe.

I don't think these would be of much use to the Turkish military for the PKK scenario. They are planting these IED's on asphalt roads so it is counter productive to use those types of explosives and the locals would get really mad if you are blowing stuff up right and left.

The military is using jammers but apparently they don't have them on every vehicle. Unfortunately casualties like this are almost unavoidable.

 

[xenon54 out]

The other options are jammers:

There is a Jammer project going on but i would need @cabatli_53 s expertise again, i dont wanna spread wrong information.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Thats what I say fvck the orders of governors. Block all risky roads. Go on airborne after analyzing intelligence. Then we can use also heavy path clearment machines. Roads will be demolished. But my soldiers and their live counts. Fvck the roads. Also high energy radiation,despite its in test phase must be tested .

 

[Hakan]

Thats what I say fvck the orders of governors. Block all risky roads. Go on airborne after analyzing intelligence. Then we can use also heavy path clearment machines. Roads will be demolished. But my soldiers and their live counts. Fvck the roads. Also high energy radiation,despite its in test phase must be tested .

The government has to show that it cares about the locals and that the PKK doesn't and is destroying infrastructure which harms locals.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Against wired IEDs classic jammers have no chanche they only block signals for remote wireless traps. Our guys cut even base stations and jam other frequencies but you see. It is not effective.

 

[Neptune]

That'd would require an assymetric warfare variant with new configurations not only on armors but main gun and some systems as well, more like Leo 2 PSO. @Technogaianist @xenon54

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Hakan. Thats what I said. Treating the area with silk gloves.

@Neptune. Absolute right heavy equipment. My soldiers life counts. High energy equipment should be immediately tested also. Its an interim maybe experimental solution

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

I uploaded a document for US congress how circuits of IED s can grilled. Search "energy" in doc.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Other IED countermeasures being explored include technology that can first detect
IEDs from afar, and then generate a pulse of directed high-power electromagnetic energy
to prematurely detonate them, or burn out and destroy their circuitry. An example is the
Neutralizing Improvised Explosive Devices with Radio Frequency (NIRF) which
produces a very high-frequency field at very short range that can neutralize an IEDs
electronics.15 A Pentagon microwave project, code-named PING, and now deployed in

Iraq, has reportedly been successful at helping locate insurgent weapons. The machine,
which fits inside a Humvee, sends out electromagnetic waves that can penetrate the walls
of a building to detect IEDs.16 Other sensors, such as the Laser-Induced Breakdown

Spectroscopy system (LIBS), are being developed to
detect traces of explosives used for
IEDs from as far away as 30 meters.17

The “Talon” is a bomb-disposal Unmanned Ground Vehicle (UGV), or robot, that
comes equipped with a mechanical arm to inspect and relocate suspected IEDs. More
than a hundred of the remote-control robots are now being used in Iraq and Afghanistan,
with an equal amount on order. Another robot, called the “PackBot” has also been used
by the Army to clear bombs and explore suspected terrorist hideouts.19

Due to their related fields of specialisations, the EOD COE and the C-IED COE cooperate closely. The COEs also have close links with others that specialise in areas that add to the field of countering IEDs, including the Military Engineering (MILENG) COE in Ingolstadt, Germany, the Defence Against Terrorism (DAT) COE in Ankara, Turkey, the Military Medical (MILMED) COE in Budapest, Hungary, and the Human Intelligence (HUMINT) COE in Oradea, Romania

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_72809.htm

MICROWAVE DISRUPTION - Thanks to OLIVIA

@IR-TR Brother it's heavy almost 30 kq ; you can't shoot and run a way; it is not a classic Terrorist weapon;

Deutsches Heer - Handwaffen - Panzerabwehrwaffe MILAN

 

[IR-TR]

Well about ATGMs, look at all those godless terrorists in Syria. What they've done to the armored forces of Syria's people. They're very dangerous, those ATGMs.

 

[cabatli_53]

Never seen anything about this in Altay Thread maybe @cabatli_53 knows something but Turkey does barely use Tanks agains pkk since the topography isnt suitable, maybe light tanks could do the job but then again its wont be as safe as Altay agains IEDs.

So in short i dont think the MCLC upgrade on Altay could be used against pkk, Airforce is the only thing that can be used in SE Turkey against pkk.

Bro, There is an ongoing project called Mine cleaning vehicle which is being planned to receive 50 Mine cleaning tracked vehicles. At present, It is planned to modify Altay chassis to develop Turkish mine cleaning vehicle solution.

 

[Casus Belli]

There is a Jammer project going on but i would need @cabatli_53 s expertise again, i dont wanna spread wrong information.

GERGEDAN - Portable RCIED Jammer System
GERGEDANTM Portable RCIED Jammer System is designed to protect convoys, VIP vehicles in motion and static infrastructure (e.g. Entry Control Points, High Value Assets, Checkpoints, Facilities) against the utilization of Radio Controlled Improvised Explosive Devices (RCIEDs), by jamming the communication between these devices and threats.

EJDERHA - High Power Electromagnetics (HPEM) System
ASELSAN’s EJDERHATM – High Power Electromagnetics (HPEM) System generates extremely high-amplitude electromagnetic fields in specific frequencies and directs them to the potential targets such as electronic circuits of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) with its specially designed directional antenna-reflector set and has the effect on these targets such as suppression, predetonation resetting the control system, durable blocking, stopping the operation.

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[cabatli_53]

There is a Jammer project going on but i would need @cabatli_53 s expertise again, i dont wanna spread wrong information.

Turkish jammers are actively used on terror operations and convoy passages. Aselsan unveiled various type of jammer systems called Gergedan and Kirpi in the hand of Turkish Army.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Casus Belli Thank you much for EJDERHA - High Power Electromagnetics (HPEM) System


Umarim bol sayida devreye girer. HELAL olsun ASELSAN a ;

 

[Casus Belli]