The Battle of Paracel Islands

[Nan Yang]

No point keep arguing that who own Islands.
Whoever control the Island now, have the capability to protect it (soft and hard power) is the owner until the bigger power come and take it from them.

That's how Malaysia got Sabah from the Philippines and Sipadan and Ligitan from Indonesia.
And that's how Singapore got Pulau Batu Putih from Malaysia.

Last man standing wins.

 

[NiceGuy]

Actually Vietnam is better on their own.

China has no wish to expand South ward. But an independent Vietnam quickly move out of Song Hong delta and go all the way to Mekong Delta, an impossible feat if she is under China.

Vietnam is instrumental in the spread of East Asian culture to the South.

Her expansion is the expansion on East Asian civilization.

We was absorbed and adopted East Asian civilization, but it lead to our big failure when the West invaded us. So, things changed, now, VN is the mix of all kind of civilization

And Great Viet empire will be back on the track soon when the TPP come to reality . No more US sanction means no one will stop VN to sell more goods to make more $$$ and create a much bigger empire .

 

[LacViet]

Great Nam Empire? Vietnam's golden age was under Chinese domination. I wasn't aware that there are Vietnamese as delusional as some Koreans believing they are the descendants of some magnificent empire that had any significant influence, but you just confirmed it.

study more about history of Viet, dudde.

Vietnam under domination of China. we lost Kwuandong and Kwuanxi to China.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

VIetnamese, Thai and Burmese are new comer in SE Asia. They migrated there from China 2000 years ago. They have create a foothold for Sino Tibetan/East Asian, who will otherwise be other type of civilization.

Below, is Vietnam mountain people and looks like Malay. An influx of Chinese gene quickly move the Indo China phenotype to Mongoloid.

 

[Place Of Space]

Actually Vietnam is better on their own.

China has no wish to expand South ward. But an independent Vietnam quickly move out of Song Hong delta and go all the way to Mekong Delta, an impossible feat if she is under China.

Vietnam is instrumental in the spread of East Asian culture to the South.

Her expansion is the expansion on East Asian civilization.

This is a reason that Vietnamese feel uncomfortable about China. They always thought Chinese restricted them, for example, the Viet members often complain the 1979 war destroyed Vietnam's expansion toward Cambodia and Laos. Actually China fought back Vietnam because they constantly invaded China's south border after 1975. China had the direct reason.

 

[21stCentury]

study more about history of Viet, dudde.

Vietnam under domination of China. we lost Kwuandong and Kwuanxi to China.

Hahahah! Viet history? There is no such thing as viet history....before the French came and took Vietnam from a weakened Qing China and literally and completely turned your language into some weird mix of Latin alphabets, the ancient Vietnamese historical records as well as daily life used Chinese script.

Vietnam in truth is a Chinese outpost in Southeast Asia gone rouge. Don't worry, we'll get our baby back

 

[xesy]

This is a reason that Vietnamese feel uncomfortable about China. They always thought Chinese restricted them, for example, the Viet members often complain the 1979 war destroyed Vietnam's expansion toward Cambodia and Laos. Actually China fought back Vietnam because they constantly invaded China's south border after 1975. China had the direct reason.

That's is one of many points regarding the 1979 war that I can't find any reasons to understand. You say we invaded China's border, yet who on the right might would do that. We just took back SVN, with lingering US influence and SVN govt remnants. Anyone on the right mind must have stop to digest his victory. Not to mention rarely the smaller force is the aggressive side.

There is this story around, I am not sure whether it is true or not, but let's hear it: "Uncle Ho used to say this:'If one day China wants to give VN Guandong, refuse it immediately. Or elseon the next election day, VN will give back itself to China'". The moral is that even if VN takes China land, VN simply doesnot have enough man power to digest it, to turn it into part of the country. So there you have it, my point regarding VN had no interest or reason to expand to China even after we united the country.

 

[Kyle Sun]

That's is one of many points regarding the 1979 war that I can't find any reasons to understand. You say we invaded China's border, yet who on the right might would do that. We just took back SVN, with lingering US influence and SVN govt remnants. Anyone on the right mind must have stop to digest his victory. Not to mention rarely the smaller force is the aggressive side.

There is this story around, I am not sure whether it is true or not, but let's hear it: "Uncle Ho used to say this:'If one day China wants to give VN Guandong, refuse it immediately. Or elseon the next election day, VN will give back itself to China'". The moral is that even if VN takes China land, VN simply doesnot have enough man power to digest it, to turn it into part of the country. So there you have it, my point regarding VN had no interest or reason to expand to China even after we united the country.

Your leader thought Viet was the third military power ,just behind the US and SV . So they did not think in your way.
On the other hand , Cam is our friend . We can not just watch you guys invaded Cam

VIetnamese, Thai and Burmese are new comer in SE Asia. They migrated there from China 2000 years ago. They have create a foothold for Sino Tibetan/East Asian, who will otherwise be other type of civilization.

Below, is Vietnam mountain people and looks like Malay. An influx of Chinese gene quickly move the Indo China phenotype to Mongoloid.

fashion underwear .

 

[LacViet]

Hahahah! Viet history? There is no such thing as viet history....before the French came and took Vietnam from a weakened Qing China and literally and completely turned your language into some weird mix of Latin alphabets, the ancient Vietnamese historical records as well as daily life used Chinese script.

Vietnam in truth is a Chinese outpost in Southeast Asia gone rouge. Don't worry, we'll get our baby back

hei, kid. chinese is brain washed people.

 

[sword1947]

Vietnam with Modi's help now is the strongest in East Asia and Southeast Asia. Tell me your country, let Modi know. He is coming to rescue you!

we had rescued you in 1962. now you know my country.

 

[Place Of Space]

China with Deng, has kneed before Japan and US in 1978, 1979. It is shameful for China. Japan spanked you in WW II and US spanked you in 1950-1953 in advance for us. China is big boy, but bad boy.



Look at the map in WW II, where is territory of China under control of Japan army ? Without intervention of Soviet Red army and two nuke dropped in Japan of USA, Chinese can speak Japanese fluently, bcz it is your futonghua now.

The map of Vietnam in 1836 has drawn islands Paracel and Spratly coloser to our coastline, it is to demonstrate that Hoàng Sa (Paracel) and Trường Sa (Spratly) is part of territory of Great Nam Empire (Vietnam today).

That was international politics. In Asia, only China could still organize effective resistance, in Europe, only England had the condition. So mainly the two nation got supports from outside, Russia could resisted by itself. China still had 3/5 territory including vast central, west and southwest area that could organize and supply huge amount of materials and sources of troops. From Sichuan province we provided dozens of divisions into the Shanghai battle, from Guangxi, Hunan the troops entered into Shangdong battle, from Xinjiang, we imported materials via Himalaya pass. And most universities, military schools had moved to southwest, they also could provide constantly professionals and military leaders....Help the nation they still had resisting will and ability. Japan occupied whole Vietnam in a week, how could outside power help Vietnam?

In the map, it is in fact the coastline islands. Nowadays you guys explain the map as to your demand, it doesn't work. Great Nam Empire's contribution to Vietnam is that they solidly annexed south Khmer Mekong area. Celebrate what should be celebrated.

 

[Indos]

That's how Malaysia got Sabah from the Philippines and Sipadan and Ligitan from Indonesia.
And that's how Singapore got Pulau Batu Putih from Malaysia.

Last man standing wins.

It is more because of British judges, I will open the result here. The only Japanese judge prefers Indonesia, but the rest are British. They are more toward Malaysian than Indonesian as you are commonwealth nation. Judge nationality become the strong reason. Thats why we think it is not a fair trial. Today, we prefer solving any dispute bilaterally like what we have done with Philipine and Singapore.

 

[Nan Yang]

That was international politics. In Asia, only China could still organize effective resistance, in Europe, only England had the condition. So mainly the two nation got supports from outside, Russia could resisted by itself. China still had 3/5 territory including vast central, west and southwest area that could organize and supply huge amount of materials and sources of troops. From Sichuan province we provided dozens of divisions into the Shanghai battle, from Guangxi, Hunan the troops entered into Shangdong battle, from Xinjiang, we imported materials via Himalaya pass. And most universities, military schools had moved to southwest, they also could provide constantly professionals and military leaders....Help the nation they still had resisting will and ability. Japan occupied whole Vietnam in a week, how could outside power help Vietnam?

In the map, it is in fact the coastline islands. Nowadays you guys explain the map as to your demand, it doesn't work. Great Nam Empire's contribution to Vietnam is that they solidly annexed south Khmer Mekong area. Celebrate what should be celebrated.

Chongqing, the wartime capital, is high up and protected by mountains. It's a natural fortress. That is why Japan could not take it.

 

[Jlaw]

Vietnamese soldiers, most of them unarmed, formed a circle on the reef to protect the Vietnamese flag. The Chinese attacked, and the Vietnamese soldiers resisted as best they could.[8] A skirmish ensued in which the Chinese shot and bayoneted dead some Vietnamese soldiers, but they were unable to capture the flag.[8] The Chinese finally retreated enabling PLA-N frigates to open fire on the reef's defenders. When all of the Vietnamese had been killed or wounded, the Chinese occupied the reef and began building a bunker. Vietnam reported that 64 Vietnamese soldiers had been killed in the battle.[7][9]

Great Vietnamese tactic. Bring fists to a gun fight.

 

[Place Of Space]

Chongqing, the wartime capital, is high up and protected by mountains. It's a natural fortress. That is why Japan could not take it.

Japan also didn't have enough army to move forward. And don't forget Japan's economy was about collapsing, Japan couldn't stand long for the war. Inside Japan, the poor people everywhere, some women sold their night for food, the citizens went to rural village for food, the poor Japanese would break out revolution at any time.