The analysis for the cause of rapes in subcontinent and it's solution

[xTra]

well i think we all want to discuss this menance, but their are some senior and elite troll who just post the rape news from Toi and then appears next day with another rape news. So what to discuss and with whom.

 

[Dillinger]

There was recently a rape case in the US. And the defence attorney in order to defend the boys said "the girl has a history of drinking and....blah blah blah"....basically implying that had she not been that "type" she would not have been in this situaton. The same argument was used in India as well I believe and actually is used every time by someone whenever this happens.........

I understand that some people carry themselves out differently than others. While some girls are very outgoing, others are not. But does that mean that it is okay for the girls that are outgoing to get raped and that it makes the rapist any less wrong. ABSOLUTELY NOT.......women should be allowed to be as they want, dress as they want and live as they want without having to worry about some sick idiot out there that would come force them down. A girl shouldn't have to be a certain way just because she is afraid that some moron is going to look at her the wrong way and society should not promote that in any sense. No one has the right to put his hands on a girl without consent and NOTHING justifies..... you want a solution to rapes...i say torture the rapists publically and then hang them in front of the entire world so the next time a guy decides to put his hands on a woman, he thinks a million times!!!!!!! These guys are sick and ignorant people be it in the east or west!!!

Ah trollock that's patriarchy at play for you. But, alas, we are the fort of patriarchy and misogyny.

 

[anonymus]

there is human behaviour than there is the believe that they evolved from Apes...maybe they are trying to live up to their ancestor *sorry couldnt help myself just came back from an evolution lecture*

A large part of our brain is reptilian in origin with frontal cortex and a well developed brocha and werniks area and arcuate fasciculus being later additions.Also a well developed hippocampus is also a later addition.

never heard of this 1

Psychosexual theory of Freud is a stage theory and each stage is denoted by a name. Anal stage is second stage in that theory with oral, anal, phallic, latency and genital stage in that order.

Comes through discipline

Not exactly harsh discipline. overdisciplining has its own problem and would quell all the creativity of child.

And disciplining should be self governed.Externally enforced discipline could lead to oppostite consequences.

Fancy words which literally mean: intoxicants are haraaaaaaaammmm for a reason yet religion is wronged...tou bhuktou

Getting intoxicated is never considered as a desirable situation. Here too it comes down to responsibility. A person if he drinks, should be able to hold his liquor.It is what you do after drinking that matters.

Thus it is wiser to clamp down heavily on those who create problem after getting intoxicated than banning it as state should not act as a nanny.

No such complexity in the West, YET rape cases are more there...WHY?
Opposite may also be true, man who is rejected too often, under certain circumstances burst in rage .....

Faulty Socialization is an overarching term. What i have written is a way it is faulty in those cultures which have maternal overindulgence.

Faulty socialization is also visible in gangasta culture or even terrorism could be traced to faulty socialization.

If we talk about west, faulty socialization would present itself as commodification of women.

Not the case in the WEST...YET again rape cases are HIGH in WEST, WHY?

First thing get this point clear. Rape statistics does not tell the truth. I have written this reply for other member which would be apt in this situation also.This argument that west has higher incident of rape because more rapes are reported there would never find favor with me.

West has higher rape statistics because there proportionately more number of rapes are reported. In west there is no social stigma attached with rape and neither is there a sense of loss of social honor and no one indulges in victim blaming apart from fundamentalist nuts. apart from that women there have a fairly good understanding of consent.These factors lead to a higher rape reportage than conservative patriarchal societies.

I am not posting an unqualified defense of west but for intellectual honesty , everyone should accept that rape statistics are highly unreliable.

Western lifestyle is a skewed towards social breakdown which leads to emotional and mental stress...Literally, they have no PROPER family value -

parents can end up some even plan what if they end up in old people's home

Children at fragile age of 18 when 1 too many hormones are active + too much peer pressure move out

Too much independence and do not know what to do with it:

Alcohol and drugs are a little too easily available

Wrong things = leisure ....ex. strip clubs, pubs, casual partners

Dont have a good childhood:

Working parents dont have time for children

Parents are scared to yell and DISCIPLINE their kids because of CHILD SERVICE
(imagine where people SAY WHO IS GOD TO TELL US HOW TO LIVE.....they allow the govt to tell them how to raise a child)

Broken homes...Mom/ dad having affair, mom/dad's endless bf/gf

Peer pressure comes under socialization and broken homes under either permissive or neglecting parenting style and bad role models.

Some points you have made are correct some are not so correct but since they are disjointed thus i would try to answer for what i have understood.

1. The western lifestyle is competitive and individualistic which leads to emotional stress but your statement regarding west having no social value is say pointless. It is an arm-chair statement that people make without understanding the meaning of family values. This statement is an reflection of only my values are moral which is a false statement. Some values that westerners inculcate in their children are what makes them much more advanced in many fields of both science, social science and humanities. The inculcation of sense of freedom and individuality has a values which desis underappreciates.This is the same type of generalization that people do on ethnic and religious lines.

2. Hormones and teenage are a universal phenomenon not limited to west and your point regarding strip clubs and casual partners is tangential. You should clearly differentiate between consent and lack of it.

3. Broken homes are no different and sometime even better than people carrying carcass of a marriage with them.

4. Regarding social services point, even at the pain of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, i would say that this taking away of children thingy is a brainwashing conspiracy of fabian socialists.There are some genuine instances in which child should be taken away from parents but a lot of reason dished by social services are balderash. Like taking away children for lack of or excessive stimulation. Even though this idea is based on Bowlby's theory of attachment which came into being from studies that he did on monkeys and has been observed in humans, it is not quantifiable and thus using that pretext to decide whether a child should be taken away or not is an exercise in dishonesty.

The whole point of this seems to be trying to control the initial conditions so that you can inculcate certain personality in an individual. In Sweden, which has a feminazi goal of creating a sexless society has resulted in a condition in which, it is considered proper by males to attach fake breasts and feed their children so as to bond with them.

Degradation of moral values:

WHAT IS MORAL or NOT is decided by WHAT YOU THINK....now an egoist person doesnt see the same way as a logical one....But when everything is allowed under the law without prohibitions (socially speaking) then do not expect some form of HUMANE behaviour....


In a society where it is the RIGHT of the person to MAKE HIS OWN LAWS....well, dont expect the society to move further on...it just goes back to stone age....

I believe in cultural relativism within the bound of basic human rights. But talon don't you think that your previous point was clearly opposite to this.

If someone's relative is raped the society throws crap at the WHOLE FAMILY....making the victim feel guilty of a crime SOMEONE ELSE DOES....

BUT IF YOUR family member gets raped....then it goes all the way to disguising men, off with his head and what not...WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARDS?

This are honest questions one should ask THEMSELVES! and are addressed to everyone! Why are YOUR WOMEN worth more THAN ANYONE else's WOMEN?

You should address this question to fundamentalist brigade.They are the only one who make excuse for rapes.

 

[ZYXW]

Ah trollock that's patriarchy at play for you. But, alas, we are the fort of patriarchy and misogyny.

No not patriarchy.....some men dominate but are smart and respectable......rape is just plain ignorance and stupidity - present in all types of societies.

 

[Dillinger]

No not patriarchy.....some men are dominate but are smart and respectable......rape is just plain ignorance and stupidity - present in all types of societies.



No not patriarchy.....some men are dominate but are smart and respectable......rape is just plain ignorance and stupidity - present in all types of societies.

It is vitiated by patriarchy ZY..not prevented by the absence of patriarchy but vitiated by its presence for sure.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

@Loki @Koovie women should be properly covered!

BS- why don't you blind yourself instead?

 

[ZYXW]

It is vitiated by patriarchy ZY..not prevented by the absence of patriarchy but vitiated by its presence for sure.

true that!!!

 

[neehar]

Really, is it what you call twisting the facts? Look, again you are confusing yourself - rape rates are based on number of the incidents of rape, not number of conviction. Your post about witnesses was moronic.

And what does stating of mine "renaming of old ordinance" has to do with what you are citing? Do you even know what that bill, now law, is in actuality, how it differs from old one? Mind you, I never said the bill was similar to old one - don't add unstated words to vindicate your lack of knowledge. Instead of admonishing me of embarrassment you should take care of your own boo boo having tremendous potential to cause embarrassment.

Don't reply reasonless one liner, speak only if you have valuable to share.

i just quoted ur words and it amuses me that ur so much frustrated.

 

[Alpha1]

BS- why don't you blind yourself instead?

lol.
That was for her own protection....

 

[Dubious]

There was recently a rape case in the US. And the defence attorney in order to defend the boys said "the girl has a history of drinking and....blah blah blah"....basically implying that had she not been that "type" she would not have been in this situaton. The same argument was used in India as well I believe and actually is used every time by someone whenever this happens.........

I understand that some people carry themselves out differently than others. While some girls are very outgoing, others are not. But does that mean that it is okay for the girls that are outgoing to get raped and that it makes the rapist any less wrong. ABSOLUTELY NOT.......women should be allowed to be as they want, dress as they want and live as they want without having to worry about some sick idiot out there that would come force them down. A girl shouldn't have to be a certain way just because she is afraid that some moron is going to look at her the wrong way and society should not promote that in any sense. No one has the right to put his hands on a girl without consent and NOTHING justifies..... you want a solution to rapes...i say torture the rapists publically and then hang them in front of the entire world so the next time a guy decides to put his hands on a woman, he thinks a million times!!!!!!! These guys are sick and ignorant people be it in the east or west!!!

@ZYXW hey women rights activist!

Women should this and that...Men should equally this and that...BUT since we are the MORE PRONE ones, we should ALSO act responsible!

Like they say BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!

Why not we play safe so that SUCH judges HAVE nothing to hold their ground!

And yes I do agree guys should also be responsible with things....BUT GUYS WILL BE GUYS....No amount of PSYCHOLOGY will change that!

But IF a girl can prevent or even REDUCE the chance of being raped...WHAT STOPS HER? Why does she cry later on ....WHY HADNT I this and that?! Just serious questions...

Rape is not a blame game...IT IS AN ISSUE....GUYS are what they are BUT WHY cant WOMEN being more matured be responsible too?

Outgoing is not a problem...But since PHYSIOLOGICALLY, MENTALLY, EMOTIONALLY both genders are DIFFERENT...then ACT DIFFERENT! For GOD SAKES!! we have two XX while the male has XY....WE are DIFFERENT TO molecular level! Then why act like the other gender?!

Accepting the difference may be a first step too...I mean a guy can go shirtless but the min he does anything more, it is obscene...BUT a woman going SHIRTLESS will ONLY attract CRAP!

 

[SamantK]

My thoughts on this disease:

1. West has more cases reported because it has a free society where there is not stigma for the victim in reporting the crime. In our sub-continent a Victim at least in the villages will keep quite and live with it. Cause, the stigma and the change in the perception of the society towards her changes forever. @Talon
The name of the crime itself shows the mindset in our society "Izzat lootna". @Alpha1 Why should a girl's respect be lost if she gets raped, even after wearing a burkha all her life?

2. Our sub-continent has always downplayed the role and importance of Women in the society, I mean I can be inaccurate when speaking of the ancient India but even from the medieval times the women have been looked down upon.

3. The uneven treatment starts from a girl experiencing menstruation, she is smacked into the reality of a patriarchal society. However, I find it heartening to see in the south that this event is celebrated.

4. There is nothing wrong in having premarital sex and having casual partners, it is good for the the society to achieve a gender neutral stance. Currently, I can safely say that the blame and shame of such an act is squarely put on the girls shoulders, why?
And it pains me to see girls saying it is not a good practice, when a man can boast of his 'encounters' girls have to hang their head in shame. Girls should become shameless to make men realize that they are also humans and no less.

5. With sex being a taboo subject itself, the whole society is biased on the subject and add to that a patriarchal society and you have a perfect mix for rape!

6. The accusation that we are aping the west seems so much of bullshit to me, you follow what you are comfortable with. What is so goddamn wrong in it?
I see girls in Burkha in the summers in Hyderabad ( ) and feel awful for them.. maybe they like it but I feel awful, it feels like I am personally responsible for my imagined pain they go through.


No offense to any religion, but my religion itself is not something to write home about.

 

[Kloitra]

@ZYXW hey women rights activist!

Women should this and that...Men should equally this and that...BUT since we are the MORE PRONE ones, we should ALSO act responsible!

Like they say BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!

Why not we play safe so that SUCH judges HAVE nothing to hold their ground!

And yes I do agree guys should also be responsible with things....BUT GUYS WILL BE GUYS....No amount of PSYCHOLOGY will change that!

But IF a girl can prevent or even REDUCE the chance of being raped...WHAT STOPS HER? Why does she cry later on ....WHY HADNT I this and that?! Just serious questions...

Rape is not a blame game...IT IS AN ISSUE....GUYS are what they are BUT WHY cant WOMEN being more matured be responsible too?

Outgoing is not a problem...But since PHYSIOLOGICALLY, MENTALLY, EMOTIONALLY both genders are DIFFERENT...then ACT DIFFERENT! For GOD SAKES!! we have two XX while the male has XY....WE are DIFFERENT TO molecular level! Then why act like the other gender?!

Accepting the difference may be a first step too...I mean a guy can go shirtless but the min he does anything more, it is obscene...BUT a woman going SHIRTLESS will ONLY attract CRAP!

Why should a girl live in fear, not do things she wants to do, just cause of some boys? It is not about trying to emulate the other gender, but to not be in fear/suppression of the other gender.

 

[ZYXW]

@ZYXW hey women rights activist!

Women should this and that...Men should equally this and that...BUT since we are the MORE PRONE ones, we should ALSO act responsible!

Like they say BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!

Why not we play safe so that SUCH judges HAVE nothing to hold their ground!

And yes I do agree guys should also be responsible with things....BUT GUYS WILL BE GUYS....No amount of PSYCHOLOGY will change that!

But IF a girl can prevent or even REDUCE the chance of being raped...WHAT STOPS HER? Why does she cry later on ....WHY HADNT I this and that?! Just serious questions...

Rape is not a blame game...IT IS AN ISSUE....GUYS are what they are BUT WHY cant WOMEN being more matured be responsible too?

Outgoing is not a problem...But since PHYSIOLOGICALLY, MENTALLY, EMOTIONALLY both genders are DIFFERENT...then ACT DIFFERENT! For GOD SAKES!! we have two XX while the male has XY....WE are DIFFERENT TO molecular level! Then why act like the other gender?!

Accepting the difference may be a first step too...I mean a guy can go shirtless but the min he does anything more, it is obscene...BUT a woman going SHIRTLESS will ONLY attract CRAP!

LOLOLOL no I understand what you mean.

yeah, it is a girl's job to carry herself out well and in a respectable manner in my opinion. Obviously there are things you can do to attract this sort of thing and responsibility is a must. But then I feel like even if we lived in a society where women wore burkas, there wil be some idiot who does this kind of thing.At a personal level, yes, both genders can't play the blame game and obviously there is some fault in both in some cases...but at a political level though I feel that that the rapist, whoever it may be the girl or guy, needs to be the one blamed......

I agree with you though.....im more for gender equity than gender equality at a social level, but at a political level there needs to be equality....

LMAO at the chromosomes part.....haha had a bio test this morning lol

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

lol.
That was for her own protection....

what protection does clothes give ?
do you know the rate of rapes in rural india where women wear covered clothes ? or December 16 gang-rape "winter time" ?

rapist's don't even spare 5 year old nowdays, NO excuse for this cancer!

 

[Dubious]

A large part of our brain is reptilian in origin with frontal cortex and a well developed brocha and werniks area and arcuate fasciculus being later additions.Also a well developed hippocampus is also a later addition.

@anonymus
What is with you lot...1 set thinks we evolved from apes and now reptilian brain...Am yet to see a crocodile say HEY WHATS UP!
Sorry But I seriously came from humans....not sure where you came from...Since I am not in neurology ...all those terms mean nothing to me...cant be much bothered esp when the beginning of the sentence equates a human brain to reptilian ones!

Psychosexual theory of Freud is a stage theory and each stage is denoted by a name. Anal stage is second stage in that theory with oral, anal, phallic, latency and genital stage in that order.

sorry dont do psychology NOR do I care much about theories esp Not if they are based on studies OF THE WEST....different situations different conditions different theories...

Not exactly harsh discipline. overdisciplining has its own problem and would quell all the creativity of child.

And disciplining should be self governed.Externally enforced discipline could lead to oppostite consequences.

I am a simple woman...You do not need to read between the lines...I meant what I said....I said DISCIPLINE never went to harshness...So please do not swing between extremes...Moderation is the key!

Getting intoxicated is never considered as a desirable situation. Here too it comes down to responsibility. A person if he drinks, should be able to hold his liquor.It is what you do after drinking that matters.

why cry over spill milk when you save it from spilling? Your long article brought in alcohol and drugs...
All I did was mention WHY Islam says it is HARAM...

Thus it is wiser to clamp down heavily on those who create problem after getting intoxicated than banning it as state should not act as a nanny.

Then do not cry or ask the state to make STRICTER LAWS ...like I said earlier on...It is a social issue and society makes a state...

I also say, those who want to live the life with THEIR OWN RULES should then not cry if the state's name is tarnished or some laws are not implemented...1st you say it is not the state's matter than YOU DEMAND the state to take actions?! You bipolar?

Faulty Socialization is an overarching term. What i have written is a way it is faulty in those cultures which have maternal overindulgence.

Faulty socialization is also visible in gangasta culture or even terrorism could be traced to faulty socialization.

If we talk about west, faulty socialization would present itself as commodification of women.

YET we have a number of people who are saying nothing wrong in THAT direction! And question why there are censor boards and whatnot!

First thing get this point clear. Rape statistics does not tell the truth. I have written this reply for other member which would be apt in this situation also.This argument that west has higher incident of rape because more rapes are reported there would never find favor with me.

reported are not the same as punished...Nor is it something to overlook!!! EVEN if more are reported...why such a cultured society has SUCH A HIGH rate? It is not even something to OVERLOOK!!

Peer pressure comes under socialization and broken homes under either permissive or neglecting parenting style and bad role models.

When you reach my level...You will realize FANCY words mean nothing if the message can not be passed! I wrote so that even a layman can read and understand without needing a dictionary!

Some points you have made are correct some are not so correct but since they are disjointed thus i would try to answer for what i have understood.

Correct or not is objective...What you PERCEIVE as correct may NOT be what I or others see it as...

1. The western lifestyle is competitive and individualistic which leads to emotional stress but your statement regarding west having no social value is say pointless. It is an arm-chair statement that people make without understanding the meaning of family values. This statement is an reflection of only my values are moral which is a false statement. Some values that westerners inculcate in their children are what makes them much more advanced in many fields of both science, social science and humanities. The inculcation of sense of freedom and individuality has a values which desis underappreciates.This is the same type of generalization that people do on ethnic and religious lines.

Lets see where do I start....competition....Hmm...East has more...Larger population size, more geniuses and more parent and peer pressure than the West.
THEN
There is FAMILY VALUES than there is Freedom of thought...It is not the same ...PLUS I specifically used the word NO PROPER FAMILY VALUE coz I knew someone will point it out sooner or later...people of a habit!

As far as ADVANCEMENT goes, West has only SUCCESSFULLY built up on OLD theories, laws, understanding...Nothing new has been generated in a land which has been more stable than many of the countries in the East! Even they know it!

2. Hormones and teenage are a universal phenomenon not limited to west

didnt really touch these...How is it answering me?

and your point regarding strip clubs and casual partners is tangential. You should clearly differentiate between consent and lack of it.

Well...Then where does your WOMAN COMMODITY fit?

When you allow something, with it comes responsibilities...WE ALL KNOW, there are always people who are NOT RESPONSIBLE...why risk SOOOOO MUCH (yes RAPE is a BIG issue) based on YOUR WANTS? You allow lust to be advertised as well as be fueled and also be influential then wonder why the earth comes crashing at such stuff? Again, EVERY sensitive step is full of responsibilities...NOT everyone is prepared to take it....why not play safe? What EXACTLY IS STOPPING YOU from playing safe and bowing to lust?

3. Broken homes are no different and sometime even better than people carrying carcass of a marriage with them.

Well, you throwing psychology left and right, have you learnt child psychology how BOTH parents are NECESSARY to raise a PROPER child? Well, then when HALF of Western kids do not know who their daddy is or why their mommy left what sort of miracle are you expecting from an average kid with such a situation?

4. Regarding social services point, even at the pain of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, i would say that this taking away of children thingy is a brainwashing conspiracy of fabian socialists.There are some genuine instances in which child should be taken away from parents but a lot of reason dished by social services are balderash. Like taking away children for lack of or excessive stimulation. Even though this idea is based on Bowlby's theory of attachment which came into being from studies that he did on monkeys and has been observed in humans, it is not quantifiable and thus using that pretext to decide whether a child should be taken away or not is an exercise in dishonesty.

So you agree to state telling you how to raise a child but disagree with the state banning alcohol? At WILL you say the state should this and then say they shouldn't that...Who chooses what the state should agree to and not? A person whose family had been a rape victim would AGREE to alot of things than one whose has not...Everything has both sides....Sooo....who is to decide what is right or wrong? Saw the Indian's reaction to what alpha1 said....for him that is significant for a woman to cover, for others it is not....So, who decides? When provided a solution, you object...

The whole point of this seems to be trying to control the initial conditions so that you can inculcate certain personality in an individual. In Sweden, which has a feminazi goal of creating a sexless society has resulted in a condition in which, it is considered proper by males to attach fake breasts and feed their children so as to bond with them.

Ya do unnatural things and then cry when nature slaps you back

I believe in cultural relativism within the bound of basic human rights. But talon don't you think that your previous point was clearly opposite to this.

Not at all...I put forward what is happening...never said I hate it...put forward MY opinion never forced anyone to take it...And challenged the society as to WHY they WHINE?

You should address this question to fundamentalist brigade.They are the only one who make excuse for rapes.

You would be surprised as to how many idiots do...