The analysis for the cause of rapes in subcontinent and it's solution

[Ajaxpaul]

Women should not display their beauty publicaly,

Yes in MARS

 

[Koovie]

Women should not display their beauty publicaly,

See, this kind of backward and medieval thinking is the main problem why women are treated badly and why so many societies suck.

 

[Emmie]

whats the purpose of reporting when u dont get justice. for a think tank u must maintain that stature please do not twist the facts
are'nt u the one who said it was changed in to "women protection bill" which is just a modified previous act??
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/central-south-asia/246646-pakistan-dna-evidence-does-not-count-2.html


and more over it was a reply to a troll. please dont extend this topic and embarrass urself.

Really, is it what you call twisting the facts? Look, again you are confusing yourself - rape rates are based on number of the incidents of rape, not number of conviction. Your post about witnesses was moronic.

And what does stating of mine "renaming of old ordinance" has to do with what you are citing? Do you even know what that bill, now law, is in actuality, how it differs from old one? Mind you, I never said the bill was similar to old one - don't add unstated words to vindicate your lack of knowledge. Instead of admonishing me of embarrassment you should take care of your own boo boo having tremendous potential to cause embarrassment.

Don't reply reasonless one liner, speak only if you have valuable to share.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Women should not display their beauty publicaly,

That makes you a potential rapist

 

[Pulsar]

Title should be change to 'The analysis for the cause of rapes in india and it's solution' , dont lump Pakistan together with india under the guise of 'subcontinent'

Rape cases are seldom reported in Islamic countries. Which woman or her family member has the guts to go and report a rape incident to the police? Probably less than 1% rape cases are reported.

Let's see why women do not go through the grind of reporting the matter. Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses.

I think that answers your question. The bottom line is that no one would like to report she's been raped, as producing four male witnesses to the act is next to impossible. According to the Qur'an (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

In other words, rapes are hardly ever reported in these countries for fear of not getting due justice and instead being ostracized by society. Therefore, such statistics are way off the mark.

 

[karan.1970]

Women should not display their beauty publicaly,

And this is the mentality wherein lies the crux of the issue.. Wonder why women are asked to stay at home after dark.. Why are men not asked to stay indoors so that they can not bother women who are outdoors ...?

 

[Dubious]

Global causes and cause specific to subcontinent

Rapes occur when there exist a power differential between Victim and perpetrator. The underlying cause of rape may be Sexual lust, frustration , compromised judgement or simple opportunism but in order for rape to occur, there need to exist a temporal power difference which may come from difference in physical strength, number, societal position or trusteeship. This is also the reason that rape has comparative high frequency in conflict zones,prisons and orphanages.

What sort of frustration in the West?

The study of underlying Psychological causes of rape could be given a multifacted treatment, each deriving it's root from a major school of Psychology.

1. Psychodynamic theory.

This school of thought was developed by sigmund freud and concerns itself with underlying psychological forces concerning human behavior.This theory could be applied to the problem of studying rapes in following manner.

there is human behaviour than there is the believe that they evolved from Apes...maybe they are trying to live up to their ancestor *sorry couldnt help myself just came back from an evolution lecture*

a. Faulty development during Anal stage (1-2 years of age)

never heard of this 1

According to Psychodynamic theory, anal stage is important as it inculcate a sense of control and inability to fulfill developmental goals during this stage may lead to a person lacking in self control.(over-controlling is equally bad but does not concerns discussion).Eric Erickson defines this stage as the one in which an individual suffers an ego crisis between Autonomy Vs Shame and doubt.Successful negotiation of this stage results in a child who knows the difference between right and wrong and is willing to choose right most of the time.

Comes through discipline

The subcontinental specific problem that could be traced to this stage is the overindulgence in male child in subcontinent due to higher value attached to male child socially.This leads to a lot of males never negotiating this stage successfully and developing immature ego. Another important factor is maternal overindulgence in a male child which never allows an independent male psyche to emerge. This leads to a lot of males remaining mama's boy for life.

not the case in the West, YET rape is MORE FREQUENT in the West

b.Lowering of Subconscious barriers in intoxicated state.

Psychodynamic theory postulates three levels of consciousness unconscious, pre conscious and conscious.

Unconscious is a reservoir of biological urges and material in this state cannot be recovered in conscious state. Preconscious contain those mental events that are not conscious but can be brought to consciousness with some effort it derives it's content from both conscious perception and unconscious. Conscious contain part of mental life which we are aware of.

The structure of personality of a person has a three layered structure containing ID,Ego and Super Ego.

When a person is in intoxicated state, his defenses and ego integrity gets lower and impulses from subconscious becomes dominant and the person loses moral control.This could lead to alcohol and drug related crime of which rape is a subset.If a person has some unresolved unconscious conflicts ( he hates his mother, wife ,girlfriend or is simply a forced virgin ) it may result in the defense mechanism of projection in which he would project his frustration on his victim.(to understand it members can watch hostel II movie of Eli Roth)

Fancy words which literally mean: intoxicants are haraaaaaaaammmm for a reason yet religion is wronged...tou bhuktou

2.Psycho-social and cultural theories.

The Psychosocial and cultural causes could be divide into following categories

a.Faulty socialization

The Rapist while growing up may have gone through faulty socialization pocess which may have resulted in inculcation in him, male chauvinistic values.

This process have play an important role in behavioral development as a lot of behaviors including aggression are learned.This was demonstrated by famous BOBO doll experiment performed by Bandura.

This process has very important role in developing a chauvinistic mindset in an individual.In an patriarchal society, a male is raised under the notion that he is more worth then a female. This belief when counters reality leads to an ego conflict which results in internal breakdown of Individual.This is the primary reason that violence towards female is very high in social transition zones which are in first stage of embracing egalitarian values as the internalized superiority complex of male face a reality test when confronted with a socially mobile female.

No such complexity in the West, YET rape cases are more there...WHY?
Opposite may also be true, man who is rejected too often, under certain circumstances burst in rage .....

b. Bad child rearing practice.

Child rearing practices are very important in determining the personality of an individual. Baumrind divided parental styles on two continuum: Response and demand.


The ones who are permissive results in pampered and spoiled children having low self control.

While those who have been neglected could lead to a moral structure which is completely unhinged from society and may have inferiority complex if they attribute their neglect to themselves ( a loner) and an anarchist outlook if they attribute their neglect to external agency (lord Voldemort).

Interesting

c. Bad role models

In any patriarchal society, there is latent bias against female, even if there is not an overt one.This bias is reflected in form of bad role models which come in form of abusive husbands,Eve-teasing seniors and exploitative boss.These bad role models reinforce their outlook by providing vicarious reinforcement thus leading to a situation in which a male would consider disrespecting female as normal which would eventually lead to generalization on sexual front.

Not the case in the WEST...YET again rape cases are HIGH in WEST, WHY?

d.Low self esteem.

It is observed that most of the rapist have a low self esteem. Even rape committed by people in power are a result of Ego-damage and unresolved childhood conflicts which are a drag on their self esteem.

bad ignorant parents

The potential mitigating steps could be

1. Improving child rearing practices.

By improving child rearing practices, one could inculcate good values in a child which would be beneficial in overall development of child which would have reduced number of rapes as a by product

2. Enhancing punishment for rape.

The enhanced punishment for rape would act as deterrence but punishment of rape should always be less than that of murder and violent rape as equal punishment would be harmful for victim as it would give an incentive to rapist to kill the victim

3. A strong state
A strong state is required not only to enforce right of rape victim but also to enforce any kind of right.

4. Making mid-level bureaucracy sensitive to plight of victims.

5. Making women friendly laws which does not discriminates against them and ensuring women have equality before law.


On a concluding note, i would like to touch upon the issue of marital rape. While there could not be a second thought regarding the right a woman has in a marriage. Marriage does not abrogates the right that a woman has over her body and compelling her to sex could never be justified on that ground but regarding it being put in statue book as a punishable offence, Is it possible to reliably prosecute it? How would it be proven whether Sex was consensual or forced as in a marriage both parties are expected to have regular sex (theoretically).

@anonymus

Okkk....now after reading all these numerous issues....So, why is rape rate higher in the West?

For me...rape case has increased in the East BECAUSE we want to be Western....

Western lifestyle is a skewed towards social breakdown which leads to emotional and mental stress...Literally, they have no PROPER family value -

parents can end up some even plan what if they end up in old people's home

Children at fragile age of 18 when 1 too many hormones are active + too much peer pressure move out

Too much independence and do not know what to do with it:

Alcohol and drugs are a little too easily available

Wrong things = leisure ....ex. strip clubs, pubs, casual partners

Dont have a good childhood:

Working parents dont have time for children

Parents are scared to yell and DISCIPLINE their kids because of CHILD SERVICE
(imagine where people SAY WHO IS GOD TO TELL US HOW TO LIVE.....they allow the govt to tell them how to raise a child)

Broken homes...Mom/ dad having affair, mom/dad's endless bf/gf

Degradation of moral values:

WHAT IS MORAL or NOT is decided by WHAT YOU THINK....now an egoist person doesnt see the same way as a logical one....But when everything is allowed under the law without prohibitions (socially speaking) then do not expect some form of HUMANE behaviour....


In a society where it is the RIGHT of the person to MAKE HIS OWN LAWS....well, dont expect the society to move further on...it just goes back to stone age....

Rape is a society level issue...But people dismiss it as an individual issue ...only time it reaches society level is to throw shame at the VICTIM!

If someone's relative is raped the society throws crap at the WHOLE FAMILY....making the victim feel guilty of a crime SOMEONE ELSE DOES....

BUT IF YOUR family member gets raped....then it goes all the way to disguising men, off with his head and what not...WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARDS?

These are honest questions one should ask THEMSELVES! and are addressed to everyone! Why are YOUR WOMEN worth more THAN ANYONE else's WOMEN?

 

[RazorMC]

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BUT IF YOUR family member gets raped....then it goes all the way to disguising men, off with his head and what not...WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARDS?

This are honest questions one should ask THEMSELVES! and are addressed to everyone! Why are YOUR WOMEN worth more THAN ANYONE else's WOMEN?

Very heavy questions. Answering them will put many people to shame.

 

[Emmie]

Women should not display their beauty publicaly,

Sorry, we are no one to dictate anything to anyone. More better would be if men control evil in them, why do women always have to be blamed!

 

[Dubious]

Very heavy questions. Answering them will put many people to shame.

@RazorMC then shame they should be!

Did anyone really read my post or am I been given a thanks for attending the thread? @RazorMC @Emmie @anonymus

 

[Guynextdoor2]

sexualy active means indulging in sexual activities,..
U should edit that post

Ok my bad...I meant 'sexual awakening'

 

[RazorMC]

@RazorMC then shame they should be!

Did anyone really read my post or am I been given a thanks for attending the thread? @RazorMC @Emmie @anonymus

I read your post, hence the Thanks, otherwise I wouldn't have given it.

 

[Emmie]

@RazorMC then shame they should be!

Did anyone really read my post or am I been given a thanks for attending the thread? @RazorMC @Emmie @anonymus

Yup I did, though did get headache.

 

[Alpha1]

Sorry, we are no one to dictate anything to anyone. More better would be if men control evil in them, why do women always have to be blamed!

@Loki @Koovie women should be properly covered!

 

[Dubious]

Yup I did, though did get headache.

@Emmie which part? Should I help clarify it more