Terrorists Attack Police HQ in Karachi

[Sayfullah]

One MOAB on their wife and childrens head in Afghanistan will shut them up for good.

You’re worse than them. You want children to be killed. Children who don’t even know what’s happening. You want women to be killed and most likely those women were forced into marriage. You’re worse than kuffar because at least they openly say they would spare children. We’re suppose to fight khawarij like how Hazrat Ali R.A. did.
You will make TTP 100x stronger with you stupidity.
In Sha Allah what you want for innocent children, 100x worse happens to you and, In Sha Allah on the day judgement Allah raises you with the people you try to act like!

 

[Sayfullah]

Baloch from Balochistan proper are an issue... But following constitution to the tee overtime can fix it

Step 1: recognize the independent and unique identity of Brahui people of Balochistan and give them an independent province. Give Pashtuns of Balochistan an independent province. Real Baloch make up probably less than 20% of Balochistan. Out of those Baloch the most against us are the ones living close to the Iranian/Afghan border or on the coast. The ones that live near Punjab border are patriotic mostly. In the rebellious areas, recruit local Baloch from that area to form a new Baloch security force for their areas. BLA and BLF won’t have any support or even be able to carry out attacks when it’s Baloch rebels vs Baloch security forces. People will see these terrorists killing their own Baloch and they’ll choose to side with the state instead. State needs to offer proper incentives to make them turn to the state. The Baloch who serve in security forces their generations will most likely be patriotic. It’s easy to support terrorists as long as it doesn’t hit home but when it does people come to their senses.

I agree with your assessment entirely, and I also agree that there may be Afghans who are respectful, law abiding and have integrated into the nation/cities. But the problem here is you can't use this extreme minority when talking about the problem as a whole.

Pakistan should have a test. Questions about Pakistani history should be on it, when national anthem, history of Jinnah, history of Iqbal and, importance of Pakistan should be on it. Afghan’s who can pass that test, pass an Urdu language test, have at least high school level education, have a job or business, have lived in Pakistan for at least 3 years and, can find a Pakistani who can sign a contract to prove they lived in Pakistan for 3 year + and are law abiding, should be given citizenship. These new citizens should be placed on probation for 5 years and the person who signed the contract gives his guarantee these new citizens won’t commit a crime in the 5 years probation or else the Afghan gets deported and he gets jail. Additionally, the new citizen should be made to sign a legal document saying that he’ll join the armed forces of Pakistan in event of a war with india. If all conditions are met than afghans who qualify should be given citizenship.

 

[KaiserX]

Who are we talking about here?

My point is, that there are plenty of retarded "ethnic nationalists" within Pakistan who use PPP, PLMN, PTI, as a cover for their nefarious anti-Pakistani activities and goals. Same ****, different names. This ethnic chauvinism runs deep among those lot, regardless of ethnicity. We see it on PDF on a weekly basis even from Pakistanis mostly based abroad, what do you think the situtation is among local brainwashed/ignorant/people limited to few sources of information in the various regions of Pakistan? How many Sindhis has your average Waziri ever met in his life or how many Pashtuns has your rural Sindhi ever met etc.?

If that was not the case, all those incompetent parties above, that are mainly ethnic/regional based, would no longer exist as none of them (overall) are doing much good for Pakistan as a country. Rather they serve as further divisions in a country that is already struggling to form a coherent and strong Pakistani identity.

It is amazing that such an obvious problem has not been/is not much more talked about within Pakistan but that is probably "by design".

The problem is sindhis, mujahirs, punjabis, hazaras, kashmiris, gilgitis, kalash, dont blow themselves up or do terrorism due to their miseries ir poverty.

Lets call a spade a spade… poverty, lack of education, or lack of jobs is not the root cause of terrorism. There are much poorer countries in the world than ours yet they dont face this carnage.

 

[Corruptistan]

The problem is sindhis, mujahirs, punjabis, hazaras, kashmiris, gilgitis, kalash, dont blow themselves up or do terrorism due to their miseries ir poverty.

Lets call a spade a spade… poverty, lack of education, or lack of jobs is not the root cause of terrorism. There are much poorer countries in the world than ours yet they dont face this carnage.

Are you implying that only Pashtuns are prone to terrorism within Pakistan? If that is the case, this is a factually wrong statement. I don't see what your comment is good for? 99.99% of all Pakistani Pashtuns are peaceful and ordinary Pakistanis. Without Pakistani Pashtuns there is no Pakistan.

But anyway, let me state the obvious here, extremism/instability/crime among Afghans, is the direct result of 50-60 years of war and various factors, some culturally based as well, and geography. Most of the unrest in Afghanistan has been based in the Pashtun majority parts of Afghanistan, areas that also happen to border Pakistan.

This coupled with the non-existent border control, porous border, tribal/clan ties across the immediate AF/PK borders, and lots of other factors, are the cause of this.

 

[Meengla]

Everyone is ignoring the fact the Pakistan hosts the largest Afghan refugee population in the world without a mechanism of tracking their movements. Unofficially there are millions more. After WOT began ofcourse some of them went rogue and created a network in Pakistan.

But one thing that has always confused me. How do they get them to blow themselves up? How does that work? Do their families get money if they become a suicide bomber? There must be an incentive.

Firstly, RIP to the dead and to hell with the scum terrorists!! And I have to say that Pakistani security agencies seem to have developed quite an efficient response to such situations.

As someone who grew up in the Karachi of the 1970s and 1980s, I can tell you that the so called Jihad against the Commies changed my city of birth very quickly!! The Afghan refugees were allowed almost unrestricted access to places like Karachi and Peshawar by Zia ul Haq govt. He could have and should have restricted the refugees movements like the Iranians did, who too hosted refugees in millions. In Karachi, as late as late 1970s, crimes were committed using knives or occasionally pistols. But by 1985, kalashnikovs were abundant and they were absolutely a result of the Afghan refugees and Jihadis. It was inevitable that of the hundreds of thousands raised to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, some would turn against the society which was hosting them. You know the student Bushra Zaidi death (1984/85?) and how it spawned a wave of violent incidents in Karachi. Karachhites, who were normally traders, also took up the arms and thus rose Altaf Hussein's fascists organization as a counter-part to the violent thugs from Afghanistan. Sad to say, the gun-loving culture of Pakistan bordering the Afghanistan also contributed to that a lot and continuing to do so while MQM has been tamed. A 'secular' terrorist is far less likely to blow himself up compared with those in parts of Pakistan and many parts of Afghanistan who have seen nothing but wars and destructions and raised on extremist ideologies.
As to your question about how they blow themselves up? I don't know, perhaps they have seen losses in their family--you know, a lot got destroyed in Pakistan and Afghanistan due to the Soviet-Afghan war and then the WOT. Also perhaps they live in poverty and raised/brainwashed by fake Jihadi propaganda and so if someone offers good money to their families for a 'good cause' then they would even blow themselves up. I think there are documentaries about how these suicide bombers are raised.

 

[KaiserX]

You’re worse than them. You want children to be killed. Children who don’t even know what’s happening. You want women to be killed and most likely those women were forced into marriage. You’re worse than kuffar because at least they openly say they would spare children. We’re suppose to fight khawarij like how Hazrat Ali R.A. did.
You will make TTP 100x stronger with you stupidity.
In Sha Allah what you want for innocent children, 100x worse happens to you and, In Sha Allah on the day judgement Allah raises you with the people you try to act like!

Oye chhutiya its fair game. Terrorist will only learn in the language they understand. Their families are rightful targets… and why so much concern for family of jahil ttp? Is your mom or baap a part of ttp?

Terrorist can target our families but according to jahil like you we cannot target theirs. Infact terrorist might not cair much abt their lives but they sure will abt their parents/children. That in itself is a huge detterent

Are you implying that only Pashtuns are prone to terrorism within Pakistan? If that is the case, this is a factually wrong statement. I don't see what your comment is good for? 99.99% of all Pakistani Pashtuns are peaceful and ordinary Pakistanis. Without Pakistani Pashtuns there is no Pakistan.

But anyway, let me state the obvious here, extremism/instability/crime among Afghans, is the direct result of 50-60 years of war and various factors, some culturally based as well, and geography. Most of the unrest in Afghanistan has been based in the Pashtun majority parts of Afghanistan, areas that also happen to border Pakistan.

This coupled with the non-existent border control, porous border, tribal/clan ties across the immediate AF/PK borders, and lots of other factors, are the cause of this.

Why are 99% of terrorist attacks committed by pashtun/baloch then???? Not all pashtuns but sure as hell not 99%. 90% is a better figure taking into consideration anp/ptm/ttp elements and sympathizers

 

[Mirzali Khan]

My point is, that there are plenty of retarded "ethnic nationalists" within Pakistan who use PPP, PLMN, PTI, as a cover for their nefarious anti-Pakistani activities and goals.

Why would an ethnic nationalist use PTI out of all parties when it has never engaged in ethnic rhetoric?

 

[Corruptistan]

Oye chhutiya its fair game. Terrorist will only learn in the language they understand. Their families are rightful targets… and why so much concern for family of jahil ttp? Is your mom or baap a part of ttp?

Terrorist can target our families but according to jahil like you we cannot target theirs. Infact terrorist might not cair much abt their lives but they sure will abt their parents/children. That in itself is a huge detterent



Why are 99% of terrorist attacks committed by pashtun/baloch then???? Not all pashtuns but sure as hell not 99%. 90% is a better figure taking into consideration anp/ptm/ttp elements and sympathizers

If we look at pure numbers/terrorist throughout Pakistani history, I would assume (just a guess, I don't think that anyone has any numbers or statistics), that the majority would be Punjabis due to Punjabis being the by far largest ethnic group.

As for reasons, I and others have already given you those reasons.

And no, 99.99999% of all Pakistani Pashtuns are not blowing themselves up across Pakistan FFS.

There are plenty of retarded Punjabi Islamists in Pakistan too.

Your rhetoric is extremely harmful and worst of all, not accurate. You are making it sound like only Pakistani Pashtuns somehow have a problem with terrorism within Pakistan and rest of Pakistan is some kind of utopia with no extremism, crime or terrorism.

Lastly, Afghans and Pakistani Pashtuns are two completely different entities. This should not even be explained by now.

Why would an ethnic nationalist use PTI out of all parties when it has never engaged in ethnic rhetoric?

I included PTI only due to the fact that some users here would be blaming me for not including them. If you read my posts/history on PDF, you would know that I am overall pro-PTI and pro-IK (despite his flaws = alternatives are even worse) and I have written many times, that PTI is probably the only party in Pakistan with widespread support, that transcends ethnicity and regionalism.

However, I am quite sure, that there is a tiny/small element of Pakistani Pashtuns that look at PTI as their best representatives and probably also some that want PTI to move towards the ideology of ANP and PTM.

So ignore that part of my post.

 

[Menace2Society]

You’re worse than them. You want children to be killed. Children who don’t even know what’s happening. You want women to be killed and most likely those women were forced into marriage. You’re worse than kuffar because at least they openly say they would spare children. We’re suppose to fight khawarij like how Hazrat Ali R.A. did.
You will make TTP 100x stronger with you stupidity.
In Sha Allah what you want for innocent children, 100x worse happens to you and, In Sha Allah on the day judgement Allah raises you with the people you try to act like!

I want their entire family tree dismembered. Each time they attack, the bombs get bigger with more casualties. If they want play a game of chicken lets do this.

 

[KaiserX]

If we look at pure numbers/terrorist throughout Pakistani history, I would assume (just a guess, I don't think that anyone has any numbers or statistics), that the majority would be Punjabis due to Punjabis being the by far largest ethnic group.

As for reasons, I and others have already given you those reasons.

And no, 99.99999% of all Pakistani Pashtuns are not blowing themselves up across Pakistan FFS.

There are plenty of retarded Punjabi Islamists in Pakistan too.

Your rhetoric is extremely harmful and worst of all, not accurate. You are making it sound like only Pakistani Pashtuns somehow have a problem with terrorism within Pakistan and rest of Pakistan is some kind of utopia with no extremism, crime or terrorism.

Lastly, Afghans and Pakistani Pashtuns are two completely different entities. This should not even be explained by now.



I included PTI only due to the fact that some users here would be blaming me for not including them. If you read my posts/history on PDF, you would know that I am overall pro-PTI and pro-IK (despite his flaws = alternatives are even worse) and I have written many times, that PTI is probably the only party in Pakistan with widespread support, that transcends ethnicity and regionalism.

However, I am quite sure, that there is a tiny/small element of Pakistani Pashtuns that look at PTI as their best representatives and probably also some that want PTI to move towards the ideology of ANP and PTM.

So ignore that part of my post.

Please give me 1-2 examples of a punjabi in pakistan blowing themselves up in a terror attack???

Back your bs opinions with proof

 

[Sayfullah]

Oye chhutiya its fair game. Terrorist will only learn in the language they understand. Their families are rightful targets… and why so much concern for family of jahil ttp? Is your mom or baap a part of ttp?

Terrorist can target our families but according to jahil like you we cannot target theirs. Infact terrorist might not cair much abt their lives but they sure will abt their parents/children. That in itself is a huge detterent



Why are 99% of terrorist attacks committed by pashtun/baloch then???? Not all pashtuns but sure as hell not 99%. 90% is a better figure taking into consideration anp/ptm/ttp elements and sympathizers

Go ahead. Do what you suggest and see the results. R*trade like you obviously don’t know how insurgencies work. If it was that easy to end one by massacring innocent children then soviets would have never lost in Afghanistan neither would have Nato. But ofc Mr Arm Chair general like you knows how to finish insurgencies. Usa should have contacted you before invading Afghanistan.
I have concerns for innocent lives because I am not a terrorist like you. Ttp kills innocent children and you kill innocent children. What’s the difference between you and khawarij? You definitely won’t be shaheed massacring innocent children. I am a Muslim and being a Muslim I’m against terrorists of all forms. It’s not my fault you think of your self like Firaun on earth who can’t be questioned for his crimes. Why don’t you pick up a gun and fight on the frontlines for your country instead of advocating for massacring innocent children?
Also, sometimes when you think bad for others it comes back to bite you in the a*s. God forbid, you probably have children and a wife.
The way to defeat Khawarij is the way Hazrat Ali R.A. did. Islam tells us how to deal with dogs of hell.
In Sha Allah on the day of judgement you are raised with the people you try to act like.

I want their entire family tree dismembered. Each time they attack, the bombs get bigger with more casualties. If they want play a game of chicken let’s do this.

Ok. Don’t complain when they seek revenge.

 

[Menace2Society]

Ok. Don’t complain when they seek revenge.

They have been attacking indiscriminately for 20 years. I think everyone is beyond the point of caring. Lets play a game of chicken.

 

[hussain0216]

Are you implying that only Pashtuns are prone to terrorism within Pakistan? If that is the case, this is a factually wrong statement. I don't see what your comment is good for? 99.99% of all Pakistani Pashtuns are peaceful and ordinary Pakistanis. Without Pakistani Pashtuns there is no Pakistan.

But anyway, let me state the obvious here, extremism/instability/crime among Afghans, is the direct result of 50-60 years of war and various factors, some culturally based as well, and geography. Most of the unrest in Afghanistan has been based in the Pashtun majority parts of Afghanistan, areas that also happen to border Pakistan.

This coupled with the non-existent border control, porous border, tribal/clan ties across the immediate AF/PK borders, and lots of other factors, are the cause of this.

Look everyone gets it

No one wants to be racist or needlessly upset anyone or any citizen, especially patriotic pashtuns or anyone else


But the bottom line is the harami who bombed a mosque full of people was a pashtun
The idiots who attacked a school killing innocent children were pashtuns

At some point a conversation needs to be had on why atleast a portion of the pashtun population is so jahil that they don't teach their children or each other that bombing mosques or killing school children isn't right

Pashtun reputation is being dragged through the mud by members of their own community

We can take positive steps on trying to help the community sort itself out

But putting our heads in the sand helps no one

 

[Mirzali Khan]

However, I am quite sure, that there is a tiny/small element of Pakistani Pashtuns that look at PTI as their best representatives and probably also some that want PTI to move towards the ideology of ANP and PTM.

So ignore that part of my post.

Many of my family members are pro Achakzai and pro PKMAP but their wives and children are overwhelmingly pro-PTI.

The Pashtun "nationalists" who support PTI aren't actually ethnic nationalists but moreso ethnocentrists. They see PTI as a good development party for Pashtuns. In addition, they see Karachi province as something beneficial towards Pashtuns and think PTI can achieve that. In addition, many think Seraiki province will help KPK's polity.

 

[TheSolution]

Pakistan is in desperate need of some unifying personality that at least for a certain time would be larger than Pakistan itself and mould Pakistan into a coherent ideology/identity. I am thinking of someone like Atatürk or Mao Zedong in China or whatever. Without the negatives and extremes of those two and other similar powerful leaders that shaped their countries greatly.

Some kind of political figure that could somehow manage to install a sense of Pakistani patriotism by drawing/including/focusing on the rich shared ancient past of Pakistan and the native peoples (ethnic groups that share more in common than the opposite), while at the same time not neglecting our Islamic heritage.

Saddam Hussein was in many ways a crazy dude, but at least his idea of mixing the Arab Islamic identity of Iraq together with its old pre-Islamic past (Mesopotamia etc.) together, into a secular entity (with an Islamic backbone - just like Turkey is secular but at its heart an Islamic/Muslim country) had/has its charm IMO. I prefer that over the simplistic version of either full-blown Islamic society or full-blown secularism. Both are extremes in my way and both don't really fit the Pakistani soul and identity.

A Pakistani figure, minus the craziness, that could somehow mold/tell the Pakistani history and at the same time create a new Pakistani narrative drawing back to pre-Islamic times (IVC, Gandhara etc.), the Islamic heritage, the cultural/ethnic/social fabric of Pakistan, play to Pakistan's strengths etc. for say 10-20 years etc. would be a good "restart button" and at least worth an attempt.

Pakistan has a ton of potential, it is such a shame, that it has been wasted for decades upon decades.

I have also wrote about this countless times and got tired repeating the same stuff.

If we can think of it, then surely someone in the establishment realises our weak foundation and how utterly useless and incompetent our state institutions.

But there doesn't seem to be any effort at all to reform them which is just shocking to me, can no one smell the coffee?

I will tag you on something I wrote up a while ago that went into depth on various issues in Pakistan.