Han Patriot
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Can you show me those 'international outlets'? So how did you count the Chinese bodies? You go over the border and pile it up and then you count it one by one? I have seen guesstimates ranging from 30, 100, 300, and now a 'few' hundred. A 300:30 kill rate is a 10:1 kill ratio, that's Hanuman strength bhai. . According to Chinese sources, that was just a skirmish and the death tolls on both sides was in single units, so how did a conflict where no Chinese were trying to conquer any land in undisputed territory end up killing hundreds? Imagine this was true, that somehow India became Hercules, what did India achieved strategically? What territory did you capture? What territory did China try to capture?You dont need either wiki or indian sources,check newspaper archives from 1967 of international outlets.
There was no' strategic intent ',chinese fired first we retaliated.We limited it to Nathu La because -
1.Thats where skirmish took place 2.We ahve artillery advantage there due to our guns being on reverse slope and height advantage.You dont understand basic facts,you have minimal actual knowledge of things and rant like a child .That is your problem.
Can you tell me what artillery you were using in 1967 and the range? Which location where those guns located? What advantage was it? No sane Indian politician is even quoting this shit vis a vis China. This is just for domestic consumption to boost your ego genius. What 'facts' are you saying? How do you prove these facts on something that happened 50 years ago when your generals were still wearing diapers.
Why can't we buy SU-35 or S-400? how do we know where we stand if there is no benchmark? SU-35 is for the thrust vectoring engines, we develop a similar engine, but the performance needs a benchmark, is it weaker, it is better, who knows. The Russians are already expecting us to copy, that's why the price tag, think of it as a TOT. Let's just say we are not spoon fed like the Indians, reverse engineering is an art. Look at the pathetic TOT effort by India, even after so much spoon feeding, they took 5 years to translate the freaking Russian manual.Then why buy s-400,why buy su-35?Many of your missiles still use russian seekers or licensed copies.
Powerful,yes.If nuclear capability is considered ofcourse russia is 2nd most powerful.Financially you are 2nd most powerful -but you are dependant on export to usa and europe.Technologically you are not in the league of the west.
Btw, are you sure our seekers are 'licensed Russian seekers'?. Somehow I think you have better intelligence than the CIA.
When I talk about the second most powerful nation, I am talking about Comprehensive National Power, that's how we measure military, economical, and technological strength.
1) Russia is practically bankrupt. Except for nuclear missiles, their navy and air force is pathetic.
2) Exports constitute only around 10% of our GDP. Check the latest figure bhai.
3) Europe is advanced in certain technologies but their military is divided into a few countries. There are military technologies that they don't possess.
4) Overall, China is the second most powerful nation in terms of CNP.
In this world, only Russia and USA can build high thrust turbofans. The Europeans are more advanced in certain engine technologies but not the thrust. China had already built 400+ WS-10A with higher thrust, whether they are reliable to European standards is another issue, this is where we can learn and improve. So don't think European fart smells like perfume just because yours smell like fermented curry.Can't even build proper engines.The europeans didn't build stealth because they didn't perceive the need in 1990s when eurofighter and rafale were designed.French-germans just got together for a new stealth plane.None of the european states require or have large carriers so why would they need EMALS.Their electronics and manufacturing quality is waaay ahead of china.You really comparing german products with chinese stuff?
Whether they can or cannot build stealth, EMALS, quantum comm is not the essence of our debate. I am telling you THEY DON'T HAVE A STEALTH FIGHTER, EMALS or quantum comm. Don't use the Indian future performance matrix on Europe. Can, could, shall, would is future tense. Whether they need or don't need a carrier is also not the debate, the debate is whether they HAVE a carrier.
A few ships is 14 VESSELS. This is just for starters, 14 VESSELS are there with no base support, imagine when there are bases in Gwadar and Djibouti, how many ships do you think will be there? You think only you have missiles? Our ships will just sit there and let you sink them?.You have a few ships in IOR?So what?IN could sink them at will if war broke out.They are in international waters,not within indian waters.If they come within indian waters they will be sunk.So what do you want?For us to start a war by randomly attacking ships in international waters for which whole world will condemn us?Do you even understand the concept of international waters ,or just brainless trolling?
Djibouti had just been commissioned, next will be Gwadar, look at the location bro, it's a pincer on all your trading and energy lines. We produce more than a dozen vessels in a year, we can practically create the whole Indian Navy in 5 years, and this includes commissioning time, where do you think we would put those new shiny ships?
Try learning Mandarin, you might be surprise what you can learn.What mobilization?Not a single chinese division has moved into Tibet.Stop jumping up and down at every bit of quasi propaganda.We have set our terms for diplomacy.We will withdraw,if roadbuilding is stopped.Simple.Return to staus quo.There will be no withdrawal without end to roadbuilding.Our terms.Till then we are sitting in 'your' territory.PLA cant do anything .
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