Technocratic set-up installed for an indefinite period of time

[General Dong]

Don't worry when the technocratic government fails, we will go back to Maryam nawaz and bilawal zardari... All thanks to the Almighty duffers

 

[ziaulislam]

Yes.
There is an undeclared 'Martial Law', alright. It is to pull Pakistan back from the abyss which is not far away.
Does anyone here believe that if Imran were to lose the next elections, he wouldn't be out on the streets protesting and paralyzing for months? Does anyone here believe that the parties opposite to Imran Khan wouldn't unite to form their own massive protests in case they lose? And, YES, they do have a big vote bank of their own and I think it is fair to say the anti-Imran vote is a 2/3rd voter of Pakistan, spread over multiple parties. The myth of Imran's personal popularity translating into a massive majority is what it is a 'myth' anyway. Electioneering doesn't work like that in Pakistan--and probably nowhere else in the world of Parliamentary democracies.

A saner, safer path forward is needed. Detached from fanbois and emotions--that is if you care for your homeland.

Pakistan is a deeply divided country right now and since April 2022, not even any pretense of law and constitution are being followed. People, barely two years ago, were careful in criticizing the Supreme Court Judges--but now, like in America, it is free for all: The Judges are openly called pro-Nawaz or pro-Imran and more than that.
Never before in Pakistan's history ALL institutions are discredited. ALL! Judiciary, military, media, bearacracy, intelligentsia, mullahs, business class. You start talking about any of them and you'd see vitriol against them like never before. And it doesn't take much to realize where is this going to lead to: Anarchy and destruction of Pakistan itself. And that's why, despite being aware of Pakistani military's shanigans, I support the only entity in Pakistan which is still capable enough to pull Pakistan from the abyss.

So what's needed is a national 'chill pill'. There is no 'revolution' on the horizon. The nation is not made of 'revolutionaries'. There is not even room for another round of fake 'democracy' or 'mandate' as that will be same old. And hence I have been supporting a govt. of technocrats / national consensus for months.
5-10 years of focus is needed. Continuity of policies. Expediting CPEC. Privatizing PIA. Galvanizing Reko dec. ... and much more.

So was PDM able to paralyze the PTI govt even though at that time the vote was half in half in 2018-2021

To think investors will prefer a democracy as compared to limbo govt is living in "lala land"

Results are obvious since the govt was toppled

Remittances dispeared, investment dired and govt had triple down grade in rating over night

Literally a bank run happened on the country

Ironically I haven't seen a single analyst who thinks elections delay would be helpful you are the first one..so congratulations on that

 

[FuturePAF]

Definitely better than any PMLN/PPP/PDM rubbish

Just put Khan as PM, and have a technocratic set-up, everyone happy


Probably in about 20-30 years they'll have a half-assed version completed of Gwadar lol

It’s not about putting IK as a figurehead PM, but about instituting key reforms. If IK does get a second chance, he should turn it down if he isn’t allowed to change the tax code so Pakistan’s needs are met by its own potential tax base.

He tried to work with the system and that failed, hence why the nation needed to go to the IMF.

Having IK as a lollipop and still continuing business as usual won’t work, because in 3-5 years we will be back to where we are now, probably worse.

Even if IK a doesn’t comeback but the key reforms are done, it would be better then putting IK as a figurehead on top of the same ole hybrid system.

Since being deposed, the remittance rate has gone down. IK’s return will make raise international investor confidence as they know the diaspora will increase how much remittances it send and the spending will increase. Pakistan is a 250 million person consumer market with suppressed demand.

 

[FuturePAF]

Looks like fauj managed to sideline pdm, now everyone will cry together lol.

PDM has been given an off ramp, to hide for a while, to not be blamed for the increased taxes to pay off the loans that are about to come.

You will probably see them gallivanting around Europe, the Uk, and the US if they haven’t left to do so already. They need time to spend “their” wealth.

 

[epebble]

Does anyone here believe that if Imran were to lose the next elections, he wouldn't be out on the streets protesting and paralyzing for months? Does anyone here believe that the parties opposite to Imran Khan wouldn't unite to form their own massive protests in case they lose?

This is the crux of the issue. Whichever party wins will quickly try to bring real or imagined corruption cases against the opposition so that they can be jailed or exiled. If they don't do that, the opposition will cry rigged elections and start agitating on the streets. Farther this circus is pushed out, better it is for the "temporary" government to bring some order to the country. There is a lot Pakistan can learn from China as to how a non-partisan government is good for the country.

 

[ziaulislam]

This is the crux of the issue. Whichever party wins will quickly try to bring real or imagined corruption cases against the opposition so that they can be jailed or exiled. If they don't do that, the opposition will cry rigged elections and start agitating on the streets. Farther this circus is pushed out, better it is for the "temporary" government to bring some order to the country. There is a lot Pakistan can learn from China as to how a non-partisan government is good for the country.

And will that bring instability?
The answer is no, proof...no instability between 2018-2021 even though opposition was the strongest in 40 years

Instability is brought by military

Does republican blame Democrats of corruption? Yes they do.

Does that bring instability
No

 

[epebble]

And will that bring instability?
The answer is no, proof...no instability between 2018-2021 even though opposition was the strongest in 40 years

Instability is brought by military

Does republican blame Democrats of corruption? Yes they do.

Does that bring instability
No

2018-2021 government could only exist in a semblance of peace after sentencing and exiling Nawaz Sharif. The next government can only function if Imran Khan is in prison or exiled. Otherwise, he will start agitating if he does not win. Each party considers the other party to be filled with crooks and criminals. There is simply no culture of a functioning opposition. It is better to get rid of partisanship instead of permanent bitterness. Time to learn from China.

 

[Jango]

2018-2021 government could only exist in a semblance of peace after sentencing and exiling Nawaz Sharif. The next government can only function if Imran Khan is in prison or exiled. Otherwise, he will start agitating if he does not win. Each party considers the other party to be filled with crooks and criminals. There is simply no culture of a functioning opposition. It is better to get rid of partisanship instead of permanent bitterness. Time to learn from China.

I think everyone here is giving the politicians more credit than they deserve.

Imran Khan, or Nawaz Sharif, or whoever.

IK didn't go home because PML agitated enough, and Nawaz Sharif didn't go home because IK was breathing down his neck.

Both of them went they day they started showing eyes to the establishment.

I hate ganja, and absolutely loathe that party, but you have to hand it to him us banday nay hamesha establishment say panga kia hai aur phir pashtaya hai.

That is why he went home. But even then, saying Nawaz Sharif went home because of the army and not because he couldn't give a satisfactory answer to a single question asked by the court is dishonesty. The whole family flip flopped on the apartment issue, on the funds, and so on.

Imran Khan did the same. He took up a fight with the army when he had other fights to fight. That was his only mistake. Legally, and morally, he was right. But in practice, the fauj reigns supreme in Pakistan.

And also saying that IK came to power because of the army is dishonesty as well.

The world isn't black and white, there's a lot of grey in it.

 

[ziaulislam]

2018-2021 government could only exist in a semblance of peace after sentencing and exiling Nawaz Sharif. The next government can only function if Imran Khan is in prison or exiled. Otherwise, he will start agitating if he does not win. Each party considers the other party to be filled with crooks and criminals. There is simply no culture of a functioning opposition. It is better to get rid of partisanship instead of permanent bitterness. Time to learn from China.

Nawaz sharif had no street power

 

[Olympus81]

The problem with a technocratic government in this case is they’re essentially reduced to doing establishment’s bidding.

Alot of the guys who’ve got the portfolio was a result of spending hours of singing praises for the establishment during their meetup in GHQ.

I don’t have a problem if they are given full autonomy and are capable. But in the current environment they are geared to fail.

And then don’t discount the fact that PDM will be quite unhappy if the technocrat government are allowed to operate indefinitely.

 

[ARMalik]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1692174448793673821

 

[313ghazi]

How many retired Generals? i suspect within a few weeks it'll be at least 50% retired Generals.

 

[Meengla]

2018-2021 government could only exist in a semblance of peace after sentencing and exiling Nawaz Sharif. The next government can only function if Imran Khan is in prison or exiled. Otherwise, he will start agitating if he does not win. Each party considers the other party to be filled with crooks and criminals. There is simply no culture of a functioning opposition. It is better to get rid of partisanship instead of permanent bitterness. Time to learn from China.

People here don't want to accept the 'stability' under Imran was because of the Bajwa Danda!!! That Danda has turned its direction toward Imran now and could, any time, be turned against the PDM parties.
Yup, we could learn a lot from China: Bring stability first. Lower the political temperature. Come to some form of 'live and let live' instead of the witch-hunting done under Imran and then by the PDM.

 

[Darth Vader]

Alot of people including myself supported a technocratic government so they can make major governmental/political/institutional reforms. We definitely need reforms so we can move on as a powerful nation, without reforms we be stuck for generations.

Lol countries dont work like that, this experiment has been going on for last 60 years.
And look the country is after 11 IMF bailouts.
Let's start a bet after 10 years Pakistan will be in worse condition than right now

 

[maithil]

You just borrowed 18.5 Trillion in 15 months. Issue with Pakistan economy is not political. It's ballooning Fiscal deficit. And printing money by Central Bank.

No Technocrat will be able to make a dent. Your Army Chief is on a high and will make things much worse for everyone.