Syrian Civil War (Graphic Photos/Vid Not Allowed)

[500]

SAA = Shia Afghan Army.

 

[The SiLent crY]

I don't understand what you mean by that?

Well, no need for me to translate it then.
I hope the safe-zone is established. Maybe rebels will do a final push against ISIS, which would stop coalition from bombing Syria (most likely,) and then we can go finish off YPG, and then it'd leave rebels with only Assad to fight, and all others (like Nusra and Druze) would lay down arms since they would have no other option (after Assad falls, that is.) Still though, before that happens, we need to take Aleppo and Dara'a, can't go off and attack ISIS without taking those two key areas first.

What you said above was beyond wet dream .

 

[Serpentine]

They're talking about Atmah, I believe. No idea where that could be. I haven't been reading it that much yet (busy with some other news and such), but if what you're saying is ture, I hope rebels don't advance, that would be a bad idea, we'd get pummeled from the air.

@Madali
@Serpentine
Here is the source that you claim is "biased" and "not neutral."

I think I made it clear last time about reliability of sources like SNHR or SOHR, now keep posting useless pictures with random numbers.

SAA = Shia Afghan Army.

Ironically, number of foreign terrorists in opposing factions is much higher than total number of Afghans in Syria. From Uzbekistan and Chechnya alone, there are more terrorists in Syria than number of Afghans, which proves your hypocrisy again.

As an Israeli, you are not much qualified to talk about something like that though, since majority of Israeli population are foriegners who were brought to a stolen from various parts of the world with fill it with 'Jews'. Hence IDF is more qualified to be called, for example, European Jewish Army.

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Based on latest reports, also admitted by some opp sources, SAA has taken back Tal Hamka, Zayzour, Tal Awar, Frikka, power plant and Sillat al-Zuhur.

High quality map:

http://s2.img7.ir/KUzoV.jpg

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PS: Capturing of Frikka and Tal Hamka are not 100% approved for now, some sources say they are fully captured and some others say clashes are still going on.

 

[500]

Ironically, number of foreign terrorists in opposing factions is much higher than total number of Afghans in Syria. From Uzbekistan and Chechnya alone, there are more terrorists in Syria than number of Afghans, which proves your hypocrisy again.

Chechens and Uzbeks are less than 1000 total. On the other hand There are thousands of Hezies, Iraqis and Afghans each.

As an Israeli, you are not much qualified to talk about something like that though, since majority of Israeli population are foriegners who were brought to a stolen from various parts of the world with fill it with 'Jews'. Hence IDF is more qualified to be called, for example, European Jewish Army.

The overwhelming majority of IDF is Israeli born and not European origin. By the way, the original Persians came from Europe stealing lands of Elamites. Of course today Iranians are more Arabs and Mongols than Persians.

Based on latest reports, also admitted by some opp sources, SAA has taken back Tal Hamka, Zayzour, Tal Awar, Frikka, power plant and Sillat al-Zuhur.

Hope that's true. These greedy assadists with Iranian commanders have simply no brain and keep sending their very limited resources to Idlib, Daraa, Deir ez Zor to slaughter although everyone with IQ over 20 understand s that there is no any future for them there.

 

[Serpentine]

Chechens and Uzbeks are less than 1000 total. On the other hand There are thousands of Hezies, Iraqis and Afghans each.

Keep pulling numbers out of hot air.

The overwhelming majority of IDF is Israeli born and not European origin. By the way, the original Persians came from Europe stealing lands of Elamites. Of course today Iranians are more Arabs and Mongols than Persians.

Being Israeli-born won't matter, since their parents mostly came from other parts of the world to 'produce' a Jewish state.
Stupid argument, we are are talking about past century, not 3000 years ago. Elamites decendents still live in Iran and are Iranians. Unlike Israel, no one forced people out of their homes. We are country with different ethnic groups and that's what makes us Iran, not 'Persians'.

Hope that's true. These greedy assadists with Iranian commanders have simply no brain and keep sending their very limited resources to Idlib, Daraa, Deir ez Zor to slaughter although everyone with IQ over 20 understand s that there is no any future for them there.

Talking about IQ, if you look at the map, the areas they captured and also Al-ghab plain, are adjacent to Latakia, meaning if SAA retreats from there easily, next target of terrorists will be heart of Latakia province, as stated by various terror leaders that they won't 'spare' anyone in Latakia. So keeping them busy in Idlib actually makes too much sense, but if you find it hard to understand, just take a look at the map again. If Al-Ghab plain is captured by terrorists, the whole western coast will be in danger.

 

[500]

Keep pulling numbers out of hot air.

Chechens are part of small JMA unit.

Being Israeli-born won't matter, since their parents mostly came from other parts of the world to 'produce' a Jewish state.
Stupid argument, we are are talking about past century, not 3000 years ago. Elamites decendents still live in Iran and are Iranians. Unlike Israel, no one forced people out of their homes. We are country with different ethnic groups and that's what makes us Iran, not 'Persians'.

Since the beginning of Zionism number of Arabs in Palestine increased over 14 times. As for Elamites they gone totally.

Talking about IQ, if you look at the map, the areas they captured and also Al-ghab plain, are adjacent to Latakia, meaning if SAA retreats from there easily, next target of terrorists will be heart of Latakia province, as stated by various terror leaders that they won't 'spare' anyone in Latakia. So keeping them busy in Idlib actually makes too much sense, but if you find it hard to understand, just take a look at the map again. If Al-Ghab plain is captured by terrorists, the whole western coast will be in danger.

Using forces Assadists kept in Idlib they could easily cleanse Jabal Akrad region by 2012 and completely secure Latakia. But instead they shoved huge amount of forces to midst of Idlib, dont know why.

Now over 10,000 Shiites are trapped for good in Fu'a and Qafria.

And remaining are daily losing people in walley between Akrad and Zawia mountains, fighting totally futile war for Assads and Ayatulas.

 

[Serpentine]

Since the beginning of Zionism number of Arabs in Palestine increased over 14 times. As for Elamites they gone totally.

Elamites were not a 'race', they were an empire. Achaemenids are also gone, so as Sassanids and Safavids, but the people are here.

Using forces Assadists kept in Idlib they could easily cleanse Jabal Akrad region by 2012 and completely secure Latakia. But instead they shoved huge amount of forces to midst of Idlib, dont know why.

Now over 10,000 Shiites are trapped for good in Fu'a and Qafria.

And remaining are daily losing people in walley between Akrad and Zawia mountains, fighting totally futile war for Assads and Ayatulas.

There are many things that SAA could have done and they didn't, I'm not in the past, I look at current situation. This is not their biggest mistake, they have had many other messed up mistakes. But right now, losing Al-Ghab is not an option.

 

[power of steel]

If Al-Ghab plain is captured by terrorists, the whole western coast will be in danger.

I don't think Islamists can capture Latakia. The place is majority Alawites and Islamists won't be welcome there. A place cannot be taken without local support.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

3000 rebels who have finished their training in Jordan have joined the fighting in Southern Syria.

 

[Dr.Thrax]

I've mentioned before & I will mention it agian. SNHR is a biased source. It has an agenda. No problem with that, except that a source that is highly politicized can't be relied on, unless the data speaks for itself. Sometimes a biased source has certain data that is so well sourced, that it doesn't even matter if they are biased. But SNHR isn't like that. Their data comes from "activists" and we have to take their word for it.

I mean, its fine if you like SNHR to give yo the exact sort of "fact" you think reinforces your perspective, but don't expect others that are less emotionally involved to be so forgiving.


First of all, let's start with what SNHR says about itself,
"Founded in 2011 after the outbreak of Syrian Revolution, Syrian Network for Human Rights is an independent neutrality non-governmental human rights organization,"

Well, if they are neutral, we expect them to act neutral right?

Now, let's look at the July report.

We start with,
"1I. Introduction
During this month, the rate of targeted women and children by government forces has increased significantly. The percentage of targeting civilians has reached 51%, which is strong indicator that government forces deliberately and indiscriminately targets civilians"

We haven't even started and we see the group can't claim to be neutral, since its introductions tells us exactly what the point of the report is.

But let's move on.

Look at the way it categorizes the groups:
Governmental forces (army, local militias, foreign Shitti militias)
Notice how it puts local militias, etc as part of the government forces?
But when it comes to opposition, it gets separated,
We have the Kurds, Extremist groups, Armed Opposition forces, unidentified groups, and coalition forces.
And also, take note of this. How did they separate "Extremist groups" and "Armed Opposition Forces"? Which neutral agency can make the decision to categorize a group into an "extremist group" and another in "armed opposition forces"?

Now lets look at their Methodology.

And ahhh, here is the absolute beauty.
"This report does not include the government forces casualties (army, security forces, local or foreign militias) or ISIS casualties in the absence of criteria to document this type of victims"

So, basically, anyone that the opposition kills is "government force causalities" and doesn't get counted, and anyone the government force kills, gets counted as civilians. Easy as pie.

Now, its pointless to argue about every number, but sometimes trends gives us an interesting picture about an agency.

Lets dig deep in SNHR's archives. In 2011, SNHR claimed,
"Targeting women and children is one of the international standards to identify the percentage of targeting
civilians in wars. This percentage should not exceed 2%, but in the Syrian case, it reached 5.4%"

One thing we know is that as conflicts go on, people to be less and less careful about logic, as they need to report news that shows that the group they are against is being worse and worse every month. So, we start with 5.4% (double the international standard as SNHR claims).
In July 2013, this jumps to 22%. This continues to rise, 24% in July 2014, 27% in September, '14, 30% in Jan 2015, until we reach July 51%.
If this war continues, by 2016, SNHR will report 90% of those killed by government forces are women and children, and by 2017, it will be that 106% of all those killed are women and children.

The agency's " Conclusions and Recommendations:" is a further indication of their clear slant.

"SNHR affirms that government forces and its militias (Shabiha) have violated the principles of the human rights international laws which protect the right to life."

Notice that it points out only one side. This continues in Liability,
"Every internationally wrongful act by a State inflicts an international responsibility on that State. Similarly, the customary international law stipulates that the state is responsible for all acts committed by members of the military and security forces. And therefore the state is responsible for the unlawful acts, including crimes against humanity, committed by members of the military and security forces. As such, the government of Iran, Hezbollah and ISIL are actual participants in the killings, and bear the legal and judicial responsibility, in addition to all funders and supporters of the Syrian regime, which is committing massacres almost daily and systematically without stopping day or night. All of these parties must be held responsible for the consequences and reactions on the Syrian people’s part especially by the victims’ families and relatives."

I mean, who reads that, and thinks, "Hmm...obviously, this is a very neutral group with no specific agenda. I definitely trust their numbers."

Finally, take a look at the Recommendations which is the same obvious slant.

You again and again say they are "biased" because they criticize government forces for killing civilians. You want them to smile at government force when they kill civilians?
NDF are fully vetted, supported by SAA & Assad regime, so tell me, how are they not government forces again?
Let me define rebels for you:
Syrians or foreigners who have come to Syria in order to remove Assad and instate a government based on the will of the people. Islamic Front & FSA fit that criteria, as they have clearly stated they will respect the peoples' decision on what form of government they want. However, Nusra & ISIS, who are -not- rebels (acc to that definition), want only their own version of government to be implemented. Kurds, are exactly like Nusra & ISIS, except instead of being "Islamist" they're Communist. So it's quite easy to make the separation.
Again, you keep saying SNHR are somehow biased because they criticize government forces for their killings of people. I can guarantee you a lot of the killings are recorded on video, either by activists (from buildings, this has happened a lot) or by the SAA themselves. SAA documented all torture, too, look at Caesar's revealed 27,000+ photos of torture victims. They have criticized everyone and have substantial proof for their claims.

I think I made it clear last time about reliability of sources like SNHR or SOHR, now keep posting useless pictures with random numbers.



Ironically, number of foreign terrorists in opposing factions is much higher than total number of Afghans in Syria. From Uzbekistan and Chechnya alone, there are more terrorists in Syria than number of Afghans, which proves your hypocrisy again.

As an Israeli, you are not much qualified to talk about something like that though, since majority of Israeli population are foriegners who were brought to a stolen from various parts of the world with fill it with 'Jews'. Hence IDF is more qualified to be called, for example, European Jewish Army.

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Based on latest reports, also admitted by some opp sources, SAA has taken back Tal Hamka, Zayzour, Tal Awar, Frikka, power plant and Sillat al-Zuhur.

High quality map:

http://s2.img7.ir/KUzoV.jpg

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PS: Capturing of Frikka and Tal Hamka are not 100% approved for now, some sources say they are fully captured and some others say clashes are still going on.

Since I don't want to get banned again princess, I would like to tell you, go on Sham Network SNN on YouTube. Now look at the footage of airstrikes & aftermath of them and come back. This is the evidence of SNHR. The guy who runs SOHR frequently pulls stuff out of his ***, so don't even try to equate him with SNR, especially since I never said SOHR was a reliable source.

And it's funny how you talk about foreigners - all sides use them, but SAA uses them now because not manny people want to fight for them. There ares till defections to this day, because most of the people in SAA are either drafted (Sunnis) or voluntarily joined (Alawites.)

Rebels have retaken Frikka, Tal 'Awar, and Tal Hamakeh. All that's left to retake is the powerplant, there's fighting near it right now.

I don't think Islamists can capture Latakia. The place is majority Alawites and Islamists won't be welcome there. A place cannot be taken without local support.

Assad has clearly shown otherwise. You can take a place w/o local support as long as you have enough money, weapons, and fighters flowing from foreign sources. Obviously though, local insurgencies have grown everywhere, that's why a commander of SAA is assassinated every week or so by Abu Amara brigades in Aleppo.

 

[Ahmed Jo]

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[power of steel]

SAA 70th anniversary parade

Ahrar as Sham and Nusra declared war on moderate rebels Division 30. Division 30 ran to YPG for refuge. Looks like YPG and moderate rebels fight Islamists.

 

[Dr.Thrax]

SAA 70th anniversary parade

Ahrar as Sham and Nusra declared war on moderate rebels Division 30. Division 30 ran to YPG for refuge. Looks like YPG and moderate rebels fight Islamists.

Ahrar never declared war. Nusra did.

 

[power of steel]

Ahrar never declared war. Nusra did.

According to twitter they both did, since they are allies.

 

[Serpentine]

Ahrar never declared war. Nusra did.

Hopefully, U.S will roast some Nusrats from the sky, hence bad guys killing the worst guys. By doing that, U.S can make up only for some of the nasty game it has played in Syria.