Syria and the Consequences for the Region

[explorer9]

Turkey is facing dilemma with increased attacks by PKK inside its territory and lot number of killing of its soldiers. But support for PKK is fading inside Turkey under the AKP rule and that is a bigger success for Turkish State. Syria & Iran are reciprocating Turkey for its Stance on the civil war, by fully colluding with PKK. Syrian civil war has turned the conflict in to Shiet -Sunnite power struggle in the region and countries of the region are aligning according to their sectarian belief.
The extraordinary session of OIC called by King Abdullah is put pressure on Iran and to bring it in to the terms. Iran on the other hand is playing the Shiet card but the ground situation is not favourable for her to get benefited by this. Iran possesses the strength to fuel the discontent of the minority Shiet population in the countries of the region but it has the limitation to do so.
Ultimately Turkey will emerge as a victor after the subside of this Shiet -Sunnite conflict in the region as it is the most powerful country in the region and considered the most tolerant and modern amongst all the middle eastern nations. Its great Ottoman history of taking along with the ethnic & religious minorities will definitely help her in its future course of action. Finally the fall of Al-Assad regime in Syria will strengthen Turkish position the region and will enable her to emerge even a stronger leader of combined Muslim world .

 

[Tabriz Azari]

[1] Syria & Iran are reciprocating Turkey for its Stance on the civil war, by fully colluding with PKK. [2] .... countries of the region are aligning according to their sectarian belief. ... [3] Ultimately Turkey will emerge as a victor ... and considered the most tolerant and modern amongst all the middle eastern nations. ... [4] ... fall of Al-Assad regime in Syria will strengthen Turkish position ... as a stronger leader of combined Muslim world .

[1] There is no evidence Iran is colluding with the PKK - If Iran was colluding with the PKK, Kurds would be shooting down Turkish helicopter gunships with surface to air missiles (e.g. hand-held stinger missiles), and Turkish tanks would be destroyed (like the 50 Israeli tanks that Hezbollah destroyed with Iranian weapons in 2006).

[2] PKK is Sunni and Iran is Shia. So, your statement at [1] isn't entirely consistent. Also Iran supports the Palestinians which are Sunni. Iran doesn't have a problem with Sunnis. That Wahabbi-Saudi government has a problem with Shia.

[3] To describe Turkey as the "most tolerant country in the region" ignores the claims of Turkish genocide against Assyrian, Armenian, and Greek populations. And completely ignores Turkey's problems with the Kurds. The fact that Turkey is backing Al-Qaeda in Syria who are killing based on religious belief also does nothing to win Turkey any "tolerance" points. Can you drink beer in Turkey? Yes. But no one would argue that this is the complete test for tolerance.

[4] How is Turkey going to be the leader of the "combined Muslim world"? The Al-Qaeda elements fully dislike Turkey and want a very strict religious government. And Turkey's backing of Al-Qaeda in Syria will not win any respect from Shia. And Kurds who are Sunni dislike Turkey with deep passion.

These are just my thoughts. Please feel welcome to reply with yours.

 

[T-Rex]

Turkey is facing dilemma with increased attacks by PKK inside its territory and lot number of killing of its soldiers. But support for PKK is fading inside Turkey under the AKP rule and that is a bigger success for Turkish State. Syria & Iran are reciprocating Turkey for its Stance on the civil war, by fully colluding with PKK. Syrian civil war has turned the conflict in to Shiet -Sunnite power struggle in the region and countries of the region are aligning according to their sectarian belief.
The extraordinary session of OIC called by King Abdullah is put pressure on Iran and to bring it in to the terms. Iran on the other hand is playing the Shiet card but the ground situation is not favourable for her to get benefited by this. Iran possesses the strength to fuel the discontent of the minority Shiet population in the countries of the region but it has the limitation to do so.
Ultimately Turkey will emerge as a victor after the subside of this Shiet -Sunnite conflict in the region as it is the most powerful country in the region and considered the most tolerant and modern amongst all the middle eastern nations. Its great Ottoman history of taking along with the ethnic & religious minorities will definitely help her in its future course of action. Finally the fall of Al-Assad regime in Syria will strengthen Turkish position the region and will enable her to emerge even a stronger leader of combined Muslim world .

You have cleverly twisted facts, added false assertions and then predicted the unpredictable. All your assertions have been proven false in post # 35 by Tabriz.

 

[TurAr]

You have cleverly twisted facts, added false assertions and then predicted the unpredictable. All your assertions have been proven false in post # 35 by Tabriz.

According to him, no one is supporting PKK, because PKK do not have surface to air missiles...
PKK has nothing to do with religion.
An Iranian talking about tolerance in Turkey. Isn't that hilarious?

in post #31 by Tabriz, what did he prove? That he is a troll?

 

[Tabriz Azari]

According to him, no one is supporting PKK, because PKK do not have surface to air missiles...
PKK has nothing to do with religion. An Iranian talking about tolerance in Turkey. Isn't that hilarious? in post #31 by Tabriz, what did he prove? That he is a troll?

1. Your friend claimed that Turkey will be the "leader of combined Muslim world."

ANSWER HONESTLY:

(a) Will Shia in Iran accept Turkey as the "leader of combined Muslim world"?
(b) Will Muslim Kurds accept Turkey as the "leader of combined Muslim world"?
(c) Will Salafists accept Turkey as the "leader of combined Muslim world"?
(d) Will Alawites in Syria accept Turkey as the "leader of combined Muslim world"?
(e) Will Iraqi-Shia accept Turkey as the "leader of combined Muslim world"?

2. If Iran was supporting the PKK, the PKK would have far more advanced weaponry like the weapons Iran provided to Lebanon to destroy 50 Israeli tanks.

3. Claims about Turkey being the "most tolerant" country in the region.

ANSWER HONESTLY:

(a) Do Armenians accuse Turkey of responsibility for abuses and/or a genocide?
(b) Do Assyrians accuse Turkey of responsibility for abuses and/or a genocide?
(c) Do Greeks accuse Turkey of responsibility for abuses and/or a genocide?
(d) Do Kurds accuse Turkey of responsibility for abuses?

These are the fantasies your friend claimed: Let's see if you can answer 'Yes or No' questions honestly. It's a test of your integrity.

 

[TurAr]

1. Your friend claimed that Turkey will be the "leader of combined Muslim world."

ANSWER HONESTLY:

(a) Will Shia in Iran accept Turkey as the "leader of combined Muslim world"?
(b) Will Muslim Kurds accept Turkey as the "leader of combined Muslim world"?
(c) Will Salafists accept Turkey as the "leader of combined Muslim world"?

I didn't claim something like that, ask him.

2. If Iran was supporting the PKK, the PKK would have far more advanced weaponry like the weapons Iran provided to Lebanon to destroy 50 Israeli tanks.

FFS, Russia is supporting PKK. But who is Iran to equip PKK with advanced weaponry while even Russia can't. Do you think that those weapons can not be tracked?

3. Claims about tolerance in Turkey:

ANSWER HONESTLY:

(a) Do Armenians accuse Turkey of responsibility for abuses and/or a genocide?
(b) Do Assyrians accuse Turkey of responsibility for abuses and/or a genocide?
(c) Do Greeks accuse Turkey of responsibility for abuses and/or a genocide?
(c) Do Kurds accuse Turkey of responsibility for abuses?

If you have something to talk about so-called genocide claims which belongs to past century, then go to Turkish Section, find the thread and ask these questions again. Don't go off-topic. But you should know that we are far more tolerant than Iran. The most important thing here is NOW, not 20th century.

 

[explorer9]

[1] There is no evidence Iran is colluding with the PKK - If Iran was colluding with the PKK, Kurds would be shooting down Turkish helicopter gunships with surface to air missiles (e.g. hand-held stinger missiles), and Turkish tanks would be destroyed (like the 50 Israeli tanks that Hezbollah destroyed with Iranian weapons in 2006).

[2] PKK is Sunni and Iran is Shia. So, your statement at [1] isn't entirely consistent. Also Iran supports the Palestinians which are Sunni. Iran doesn't have a problem with Sunnis. That Wahabbi-Saudi government has a problem with Shia.

[3] To describe Turkey as the "most tolerant country in the region" ignores the claims of Turkish genocide against Assyrian, Armenian, and Greek populations. And completely ignores Turkey's problems with the Kurds. The fact that Turkey is backing Al-Qaeda in Syria who are killing based on religious belief also does nothing to win Turkey any "tolerance" points. Can you drink beer in Turkey? Yes. But no one would argue that this is the complete test for tolerance.

[4] How is Turkey going to be the leader of the "combined Muslim world"? The Al-Qaeda elements fully dislike Turkey and want a very strict religious government. And Turkey's backing of Al-Qaeda in Syria will not win any respect from Shia. And Kurds who are Sunni dislike Turkey with deep passion.

These are just my thoughts. Please feel welcome to reply with yours.

1- The increased attack on Turkish soil by PKK is clearly indicative of Iranian-Syrian backing of PKK after Turkish open support & backing of FSA –SNC. Iran has its limitation to support PKK when it comes to SAM-ATGM unlike Hezbollah. Given the complex Kurdish problem it may reach to PJAK.

2-Kermanshahi Kurds in Iran who are Shiets loves Iran; Fulani Kurds of Iraq who are also Shiets loves Iran & Al-Maliki. Kurdish issue of Turkey was stemmed from imposed Turkish nationalism on Kurds by Kemalists & AKP is trying to solve the issue by posing religious affinity with the Kurds, read Erdogan’s recent statement “ one nation , one religion shared destiny”. Kurdish TV satiation, introduction of Kurdish language education removal of discriminatory clauses from constitution is all to take them under one umbrella of religion and to blur the ethnic differences.
PKK has nothing to do with religion its ideology is socialist in nature & staunchly secular in the religious dispensation like the Bathist regime of Syrians from their land. Yes Iran used to support Hamas & Palestinian cause but that is to legitimize its rules inside Iran and to present itself as country forefront on Islamic cause that they. From 2010 Turkey has become their biggest backer it evident from numerous Haniyeh- Mashal visits to Turkey. Iranian regime of Kahmenei based on Vilayte Faghih model of governance implemented by late Khomeini is extremely anti Sunnite and replica of Safavid who extermination the Sunnites from their land.
What would say of Turkey who supports predominantly Shiet Azerbaijan on every issue and even bore the pressure from both USA & Russia on the issue of Nagarno Karabakh?
3- Every country has bitter past once or more in its life time so as Turkey the Armenian Genocide (1915) is highly exaggerated event like the Holocaust. Iran’s past is also strained with blood like many countries in the world including my own country India. Turkey (under AKP Gov.) wants its problem of PKK to be solved in the spirit of religious brotherhood but PKK has different intention & ideology. Al- Qaida is a myth created by US to use the quandary to launch its war of hegemony. Turkey has tried a lot to win Shia respect and did a lot in pre Syrian crisis period but Syrian civil war has openly demarcated Shiet- Sunnite rivalry in the volatile region.
4- Your points are repetitive here and already being answered, Turkey is most respected Moslem country both amongst Moslem & Non Moslem nations in the world. Their present government has reached from Somalia to Myanmar and that increased their stature in the community of nations.
Syrian conflict has divided the Middle East on Shiet-Sunnite fronts Where Iran is leading the Shiet axis and Turkey with GCC leading the Sunnite front. Alignment based on religious belief will certainly weaken the ethnic enmity amongst the communities of the Middle East but will definitely increase the sectarian animosity let’s wait and watch.
This is my humble submission alongside your above points based on my modest study of Middle Eastern affairs.

 

[Toysoldier]

islamic! republic of iran is biggest supporter of pkk

 

[Surenas]

islamic! republic of iran is biggest supporter of pkk

Iran would be stupid if they didn't played the PKK-card.

 

[TurAr]

Iran would be stupid if they didn't played the PKK-card.

Well it's not and it did. Probably still doing...

We'll see what good it is going to bring Iran soon.

 

[Tabriz Azari]

1 Turkey is most respected Moslem country both amongst Moslem & Non Moslem nations in the world. Their present government has reached from Somalia to Myanmar and that increased their stature in the community of nations.

What food do you eat to make you say things like this? I really want to know. Does Erdogan just make these things up and you repeat them? Or does he ask every country in the world which "Muslim country is the most respected"?

 

[Surenas]

Well it's not and it did. Probably still doing...

We'll see what good it is going to bring Iran soon.

It's all about geo-politics. Turkey is supporting FSA and Iran probably 'supports' the PKK to keep pressure on Turkey and let Turkey know that any interferring with Iran's regional hegemony will harm Turkey's interests as well.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

Syria problem might have consequences , but iran will also have problems they cant export oil and gas , their economy is very bad .

 

[TurAr]

It's all about geo-politics. Turkey is supporting FSA and Iran probably 'supports' the PKK to keep pressure on Turkey and let Turkey know that any interferring with Iran's regional hegemony will harm Turkey's interests as well.

This support we're talking about was in existence long before this so-called FSA. Like i said, we will see soon how Iran's "regional hegemony" will benefit from this.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

iran is getting worse day by day , more problems .