Support Kurdish Peshmerga as ‘bulwark against Islamists’ – MPs

[Pak-Americanos]

Breaking up Iraq would escalate things and the south of Iraq might want independence too. The Saudi's fear this since it will destabilize the north of their country. The Saudi's are absolutely against Kurdish independence in Iraq.

Absolute Bull. Basrawis are already calling for a federal state in Basra so is Anbar and seeing how things are going they might get their wish. North of Saudi Arabia? they are building a 5 layered great wall of Arabia to the north. Why would Saudi Arabia or any country in the Arab peninsula nation be against Kurdish Independence when most of their investment in 'Iraq' is in Hewler and other parts of Kurdistan? Because they know once the Kurds get Independence then companies will rush to do business there. Compare that to the investment in other parts of Iraq which are mostly Arab.

 

[SALMAN F]

Kurds are used paws and donkeys to the east and west throughout the history
From the roman to Sassanid
Ottoman and the Safavid
Afshars gajars
From the shah to ayatollah
From saddam to hafiz al Assad
From the British to the Russians

Kurds are known to be good jash
Jash always will be jash

 

[al-Hasani]

Absolute Bull. Basrawis are already calling for a federal state in Basra so is Anbar and seeing how things are going they might get their wish. North of Saudi Arabia? they are building a 5 layered great wall of Arabia to the north. Why would Saudi Arabia or any country in the Arab peninsula nation be against Kurdish Independence when most of their investment in 'Iraq' is in Hewler and other parts of Kurdistan? Because they know once the turds get Independence then companies will rush to do business there. Compare that to the investment in other parts of Iraq which are mostly Arab.

GCC investments in KRG are still low and that goes for the remaining regions of Iraq as well. Even more so. Most investments in Iraq from the GCC are done by private individuals or companies. Mostly in the construction sector.
For instance many wealthy Shia Kuwaitis are investing in Southern Iraq.
This is first and foremost due to the instability and due to the relations with the Iraqi regimes since 1990 when ties were cut due to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. They reached an all-time low during Maliki's rule. Now under Abadi relations have improved with the GCC a lot and I only see that continuing. Also if relations became fully normal then GCC's main interest would be in Southern and Central Iraq (Baghdad etc.) as this is where most of the population is etc. and fellow Arabs.
Ties with an independent KRG could be good and important too.

Much of it depends on how the situation in Syria will evolve. Same like in Iraq.

Most people of the GCC want a normalization with our neighbors and brothers and sisters in Iraq. The GCC railway should go all the way to Basra and potentially Baghdad once things calm down.

 

[Syrian Lion]

of course, Israel wants to install its own state inside the Arab world, the so called kurdistan is Israel's wet dream... of course the west want to arm Kurds, for Israel

 

[Steve781]

Even the Turkish government favours an independent Iraqi Kurdistan but nobody dares say so publicly.

 

[al-Hasani]

of course, Israel wants to install its own state inside the Arab world, the so called kurdistan is Israel's wet dream... of course the west want to arm Kurds, for Israel

Israel definetely supports Kurdistan but we must admit that Kurds have wanted their own homeland and also fought for it before 1948. So before Israel was created. If you want Israel to have less to say in the region and in the Arab world then the one of the solutions is unity because then Israel will not be able to bother small vulnerable countries like Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan but a much, much larger country. For instance if the Levant united into 1 country. This might be something that people one day will support (just like in other regions of the Arab world and maybe ultimately the entire Arab world) but as long as there are dictators everywhere in the region and Arab world they will not work towards this because they want to protect their own thrones.

This is why I tell you that democracy is the solution for the region to move forward and for the will of the people to be implemented.

This is why I am a proponent of Arab unity. Nothing to do with the failed Ba'ath ideology as I am just a proponent of Arab cooperation and brotherhood which every Arab deep down inside already has and does not hide. This will also combat the idiotic sectarianism. I work for this actively.

We don't need to create enemies with anyone in the region either. As long as they do not bother Arabs they can do what they want IMO.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Israel definetely supports Kurdistan but we must admit that Kurds have wanted their own homeland and also fought for it before 1948. So before Israel was created. If you want Israel to have less to say in the region and in the Arab world then the one of the solutions is unity because then Israel will not be able to bother small vulnerable countries like Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan but a much, much larger country. For instance if the Levant united into 1 country. This might be something that people one day will support (just like in other regions of the Arab world and maybe ultimately the entire Arab world) but as long as there are dictators everywhere in the region and Arab world they will not work towards this because they want to protect their own thrones.

This is why I tell you that democracy is the solution for the region to move forward and for the will of the people to be implemented.

yeah, but let's be honest, democracy doesn't exist... no such thing... and Arabs uniting is impossible...
but yes I do support a united Bilad Alsham (Syria), but most likely Jordan will refuse, heck even now there are talks about Jordan joining gcc, so that would be leaving Syria and Lebanon... and this unity was strong between those two countries before the Syrian war...

 

[al-Hasani]

yeah, but let's be honest, democracy doesn't exist... no such thing... and Arabs uniting is impossible...
but yes I do support a united Bilad Alsham (Syria), but most likely Jordan will refuse, heck even now there are talks about Jordan joining gcc, so that would be leaving Syria and Lebanon... and this unity was strong between those two countries before the Syrian war...

Yes, there is. Of course to a certain limit but that will always be the case because we can't have as many different visions and views as there are people in a country for instance. Imagine China with 1.3 billion different visions?

Anyway universal democratic rights is also something that the Arab people deserve whether they live in KSA or Libya. Why are those rights being denied to us? Why do some of us even not support such rights? I do not understand it. This is why you have blind regime supporters in the Arab world and sectarian retards. They are afraid of pluralism. Afraid of being countered and afraid of their long-held beliefs being challenged. They don't like this. It's either my highway or no highway. You know this.

Parts of Northern KSA belong to the Levant historically. Those borders were drawn arbitrary. There is no difference between Northern KSA and Eastern Syria for instance. Just saying.

Economic, political, military etc. support is unity enough. It does not need to be formal and in any case should different regions of the Arab world unite it would most likely be a federal system like the EU. How anybody can be against this I do not understand.

Look at the GCC. Everybody in the GCC supports it almost. Nothing but positives. Who in their right mind would not support it? Unity is strength.

Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan hell even Syria (without disrespect) can't make much of a difference on their own. You cannot prevent Israel, Turkey or other regional powers from bullying should they want to do that.

Anyway let people in those countries decide on their own. This is just my opinion and personally I hope that the Arabian Peninsula will become one country one day but the world powers will not allow this I believe for obvious reasons. Nor even the rulers because they love their thrones so much.

Anyway the Arab world has been blessed with amble of resources, land, people, wealth, strategic location etc. Basically everything. If we solved our own mess there would be no need for any outsiders.

 

[atatwolf]

People in the region are sick and tired of sectarianism. Especially in the GCC which is one of the few regions in the ME without any sectarian tensions of any sort. Outside of the occasional "Twitter Sheikh or Ayatollah" (as I call them) barking or the few thousand Daesh retards. Most whom have left already.

As I wrote then KSA supports the unity of Iraq but SHOULD a Southern Iraq emerge one day then I doubt that this would be a major problem. Shias in KSA do not live along the Iraqi border but mainly in the Eastern Province. They are a minority there. No way that they can establish any nation or succeed with any mass-scaled rebellion. They had plenty of chances when KSA was much, much weaker and when the Eastern Province was more Shia percentage wise. Now 70 years later people from across KSA have settled in the Eastern Province due to the oil and gas business mainly being located there and due to many major cities and business being located there.

Just like how Baghdad just 100 years ago was mainly Sunni but now is majority Shia due to many migrations from the South due to people looking for jobs there.

Anyway this is about the Biji Beshmerga warriors.

There is no sectarianism in the Arab world in an ideal world but everybody knows that is not true. It is not different in Saudi arabia. Currently it is held together thanks to the U.S. but as everybody knows they will help when it serves their interests. They will pull out when the world finds other energy sources. No wall can stop the rebellion of different factions and at the same time ISIS rushing in. Recently I read ISIS has huge support in Saudi arabia.

 

[al-Hasani]

There is no sectarianism in the Arab world in an ideal world but everybody knows that is not true. It is not different in Saudi arabia. Currently it is held together thanks to the U.S. but as everybody knows they will help when it serves their interests. They will pull out when the world finds other energy sources. No wall can stop the rebellion of different factions and at the same time ISIS rushing in. Recently I read ISIS has huge support in Saudi arabia.

Yes, and Turkey is going to fall apart tomorrow when Kurds declare independence in half of Turkey while Daesh Greeks and Armenians reconquer the rest.

If pigs could fly to your and my scenario.

 

[atatwolf]

Absolute Bull. Basrawis are already calling for a federal state in Basra so is Anbar and seeing how things are going they might get their wish. North of Saudi Arabia? they are building a 5 layered great wall of Arabia to the north. Why would Saudi Arabia or any country in the Arab peninsula nation be against Kurdish Independence when most of their investment in 'Iraq' is in Hewler and other parts of Kurdistan? Because they know once the Kurds get Independence then companies will rush to do business there. Compare that to the investment in other parts of Iraq which are mostly Arab.

Kurds can't go for independence. Their revenue from oil is not enough to sustain themselves. Without the money from the central government you will be bankrupt within the shortest time. Your future is with Baghdad. Saudi Arabia investment? LoL how much do they invest? It is not even more than Turkish investment.

Yes, and Turkey is going to fall apart tomorrow when Kurds declare independence in half of Turkey while Daesh Greeks and Armenians conquer the rest.

If pigs could fly to your and my scenario.

Are you comparing our army with your army? Also Isis doesn't have any support in Turkey. Isis support in Saudi arabia is a huge problem. Most ISIS members come from your country. Recently high Saudi general got killed. That couldn't happen withot inside help. Don't trust the U.S. they will let you overrun when it fits them. The U.S. govenment gets huge slack for being ally with the Saudis knowing their domestic and foreign policies. They are not your bff

 

[al-Hasani]

Kurds can't go for independence. Their revenue from oil is not enough to sustain themselves. Without the money from the central government you will be bankrupt within the shortest time. Your future is with Baghdad. Saudi Arabia investment? LoL how much do they invest? It is not even more than Turkish investment.


Are you comparing our army with your army? Also Isis doesn't have any support in Turkey. Isis support in Saudi arabia is a huge problem. Most ISIS members come from your country. Recently high Saudi general got killed. That couldn't happen withot inside help. Don't trust the U.S. they will let you overrun when it fits them. The U.S. govenment gets huge slack for being ally with the Saudis knowing their domestic and foreign policies. They are not your bff

Are you comparing Daesh with the Saudi Arabian army? It does. There are apparently 1500 Daesh members from Turkey. 2500 from KSA. Not much of a difference. That was the first Daesh attack on KSA ever. Daesh on the other hand killed 52 civilian Turks during this bombing;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reyhanlı_bombings

Daesh cannot even enter KSA and if they do they will be exterminated. Don't have illusions.

As I said if pigs could fly.

The holy lands will remain safe.

 

[atatwolf]

Are you comparing Daesh with the Saudi Arabian army? It does. There are apparently 1500 Daesh members from Turkey. 2500 from KSA. Not much of a difference. That was the first Daesh attack on KSA ever. Daesh on the other hand killed 52 civilian Turks during this bombing;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reyhanlı_bombings

Daesh cannot even enter KSA and if they do they will be exterminated. Don't have illusions.

As I said if pigs could fly.

The holy lands will remain safe.

They have their eyes set on the holy cities. ISIS members who join do it to kill PKK vermin. ISIS has yet to attack Turkey. They never attacked us although we share huge border. They gave our hostages back and they give us passage to reach our soldiers at the burial place of our Syria. I absolute hate Isis but I they won't attack us. They see us as neutral force. On the other hand they absolutely loath the Saudi shizzle family. ISIS support in Saudis Arabia is the highest of all countries. I think Isis has a trick up their sleeve. Saudi army versus Isis probably you will win iffffff you exclude the Isis sympathizes in your country which is huge. They give Intel to Isis and that is how they killed your general. They probably know more than you think. If the US is out they would go through Saudi arabia like a hot knife through butter. I don't have to tell you how the US press thinks about the practices of the Saudis. They could use that against you.

 

[al-Hasani]

They have their eyes set on the holy cities. ISIS members who join do it to kill PKK vermin. ISIS has yet to attack Turkey. They never attacked us although we share huge border. They gave our hostages back and they give us passage to reach our soldiers at the burial place of our Syria. I absolute hate Isis but I they won't attack us. They see us as neutral force. On the other hand they absolutely loath the Saudi shizzle family. ISIS support in Saudis Arabia is the highest of all countries. I think Isis has a trick up their sleeve. Saudi army versus Isis probably you will win iffffff you exclude the Isis sympathizes in your country which is huge. They give Intel to Isis and that is how they killed your general. They probably know more than you think. If the US is out they would go through Saudi arabia like a hot knife through butter.

 

[atatwolf]

Alcohol is allowed in Saudi Arabia? Anyway, I'm on my phone. When Im back at home. I will post some sources.