Sunni and Shia and their divergent path

[terry5]

I Like how people distort Allahs name (Wahab) into something filthy to suit there agenda
Astagfirullah

 

[Hack-Hook]

Whenever I say something, I always do some research, Do you want me to post the video where he is worshiped on a specific day ?..Your reply does not leave anymore room to discuss any thing ...I will consider it a last nail in the coffin of 'friendship' between Shia and Sunni ....
May ALLAH be happy from the Caliphs of Islam !


@Irfan Baloch @Zarvan @Arabian Legend

my answer is exactly what I always answered to the trolls that made that claim several time ago.
I saw the video before and it's not worshiping but saying some Fatiha .
and more importantly what I posted about what happened is not from a Shia source it's how incident described in Sahih al-Bukhari, Chapter 66, Book of the Virtues of the Companions, Hadith number 3497. I only dramatized what is wrote there so if you have complaint go and tell it to Muhammad al-Bukhari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or if you think he is a liar well it's not my concerns it's your problem but that book is one of the six accepted source of hadith by Sunni people in fact i's abook which is accepted by both sunni and shia or let Quote the Wikipedia

it is considered the most authentic book after the Quran.[3][4]

I Like how people distort Allahs name (Wahab) into something filthy to suit there agenda
Astagfirullah

the name or the word is not that important , what gave it value is the context it's used in. in this case it clearly have nothing to the God

 

[Irfan Baloch]

They are also spread out from India to Arabian peninsula. You can see from the PDF posts, a lot of Pakistani and Indian Muslim posters are Shia and they support Iran overtly and covertly.

So what if they are spread out? Muslims are spread out in Europe too. in India there are many respected Sunni's and Hindus as well who "overtly" or "covertly" support Iran as a matter of opinion. you make it sound like the KKK that laments about the presence of "non-whites" as cancer and vermin in its Western society


As for supporting Iran overtly or covertly is concerned, Again So what? You are making it sound like a scandal or a treason. It’s their sweet will. let them, some of us support the Saudis and I support Uganda from time to time don't I? ask @MilSpec if you don't believe me.

Algeria as a state somehow seems to be friendly to them, although they are Sunni Muslims, perhaps because their strong relations with Russia. So is Hamas, out of gratitude from past help they received from Iran and Hezb.

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this is a very interesting observation, which shows that the Ayatullahs of Qom maybe smart and/ or cunning but they are definitely not genocidal like the Saudi proxies which through the Islamic history have been recalled as Taqfiris and Khawarij. Iranian diplomatic success is also a news for me. Iranians being able to make some political progress in the predominantly "Sunni heartland" which shows political and diplomatic maturity.


read these keywords again, political and diplomatic, there is nothing sectarian about it. they are not making videos of beheadings and playing football with the skulls and they are not blowing up mosques and shrines either.

In many Sunni countries Iran has been known to target Sunni Muslims to convert them to Shi'ism, I have heard about their activities in Malaysia, Indonesia and Sub-saharan Muslim countries like Nigeria. In this respect, their activity is no different than aggressive targeting of Muslims for conversion by Christian evangelists.

When we use the word target and then use ISIS, LeJ, TTP or Boko Haram together then target only meaning lining up people and shooting them dead without any regard for age or gender and blowing up places without any regard for anything. I must commend the Iranians that their method of “targeting” as you put is quiet subtle and non- explosive.. in Pakistan I have missed their targeting though whereas I have seen enough Saudi influence through funding of mosques and madrassahs and conversion of ordinary sunni people into a fatwa shoutboxes.


Specifically talking about the subcontinent, for centuries this area has been a safe place for mosques, imambargahs and shrines. As the ranting against everything which was not whabai enough increased with the help of Halal petro dollars… the ranting had the backing of the modern technology and the results were explosive.

While the world watches in horror how every other day Boko haram in Africa, TTP in Peshawar and ISIS in Iraqi cities set new records of brutalities.. you my dear choose to look the other way and lament over the Iranians political outreach, nothing wrong with that though because after all it’s a point of view and a matter of opinion.

In Pakistani we sunnis had a dilemma in the beginning whenever we had to confront the news of Taliban and Lashker jhangvi atrocities. The dilemma was to show concern or condemn it because condemning Taliban and their affiliate was translated as being pro shia or being a shia but our national conscience gradually started to wake up as these tukfiris decided to change their taste for blood and opened a season on ordinary sunni Muslims too. After every big atrocity they openly claim and celebrate their responsibility for attack and some of us like yourself look for conspiracies of Iran and the little green men from Mars.

requesting all respected participants to take the opening post as a matter of opinion, no matter how much you agree or disagree with it.
debate without posting graphic content or irrelevant material.

I have read some comments on both sides and mostly they are good I will read in detail and thank them or respond to them.

thanks

 

[Sage]

my answer is exactly what I always answered to the trolls that made that claim several time ago.
I saw the video before and it's not worshiping but saying some Fatiha .
and more importantly what I posted about what happened is not from a Shia source it's how incident described in Sahih al-Bukhari, Chapter 66, Book of the Virtues of the Companions, Hadith number 3497. I only dramatized what is wrote there so if you have complaint go and tell it to Muhammad al-Bukhari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or if you think he is a liar well it's not my concerns it's your problem but that book is one of the six accepted source of hadith by Sunni people in fact i's abook which is accepted by both sunni and shia or let Quote the Wikipedia



I do understand your dramatization to the extent of Sylvester and Steven Segall !

 

[Bratva]

not a good leader , but the best available option .
after the terrorists get cleared out of Syria then the Syrian will decide about what to do with their country.


well he was a great mujahed ,if god did not blessed his action how come he managed to stab Omar a dozen time in front and back when he was surrounded by 13 of his bodyguards, and also kill 6-9 of those bodyguards and severely injure the rest of them and do it while only had a short dagger . and the best part is that he managed to escape without a scratch .
Even Sylvester Stallone and Steven Segal can learn from him.

PS. Stop spreading lies that Shia Worship Pīrūz Nahāvandi

by the way it's the shrine as you can see it's used as police headquarter not anything else.

Seriously who fed you that Bull shyte Abu Lulu killed X number of people before assassinating Hazrat Umar (RA) ? You should stop reading shia propoganda literature and read some neutral literature to know what actually happened. He was masquerading as a Muslim in Fajr prayer in First line, when he got opportunity he took out his poison dagger and put inside him. People caught him. It was poison which eventually killed Hazrat Umar (RA) and Hazrat Umar (RA) before his death forgave this Abu Lulu.

Just as Hazrat Ali (RA) forgave his killers before his shahdat, Just as Hazrat Usman (RA) didn't raised a sword in his defense against rebels. Just as Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz forgave his servant who poisoned him. Those rightly guided caliphs forgave those who meant harm only to them. Being Caliph and Holding personal grudge against Caliph as a normal muslim but not for being Caliph for muslims was the distinction all 4 caliphs made.

Typical takfiri bullshit wrapped up in intellectual clothes, Pakistan has a majority Sufi population, the Barelvis who are Sunni but have a great love and respect for the Ale Bait, together with the Shia people constitute a clear majority of the people.

If bangladesh wants to get involved in sectarian business, leave us out of it.

Implying only barevli and shia respect and love Ahlul bayt is the greatest fallacy spread by Shias. Next time when you pray, pay attention to the words of Darood sharif recited and do enlighten how without Hoob e Ahl e bayt one can complete his 5 prayers daily ?

 

[Sage]

Seriously who fed you that Bull shyte Abu Lulu killed X number of people before assassinating Hazrat Umar (RA) ? You should stop reading shia propoganda literature and read some neutral literature to know what actually happened. He was masquerading as a Muslim in Fajr prayer in First line, when he got opportunity he took out his poison dagger and put inside him. People caught him. It was poison which eventually killed Hazrat Umar (RA) and Hazrat Umar (RA) before his death forgave this Abu Lulu.

Just as Hazrat Ali (RA) forgave his killers before his shahdat, Just as Hazrat Usman (RA) didn't raise a sword in his defense against rebels. Just as Hazrat Umar bin Abdul Aziz forgave his servant who poisoned him.

This is where Shias can never be my friend ...never !

 

[The SiLent crY]

Iran has lot of Sunnis in it and Iran needs to stop putting fire in other countries or majority can turn on them

Which majority can turn on ran ?

Do you have any example ?

The whole Sunni countries in region are either slaves of the west or their puppets and without the US support all of them will collapse without any foreign invasion .

 

[Bratva]

This is where Shias can never be my friend ...never !

I mean there is a limit to Bull shyte. All 4 Rightly guided Caliphs when died, died poor. They didn't benefited or accumulated mass wealth during their reign. Umar, Usman, Ali was assassinated because they never hired personal guards for their own use but shias in their infinte hatred would usually overlook these facts and would spite them for little or fabricated things

 

[Sage]

I mean there is a limit to Bull shyte. All 4 Rightly guided Caliphs when died, died poor. They didn't benefited or accumulated mass wealth during their reign. Umar, Usman, Ali was assassinated because they never hired personal guards for their own use but shias in their infinte hatred would usually overlook these facts and would spite them for little or fabricated things

Blessed are the Sunnis who love all their Calips, Sahabas and Al-e-Rasool ...Shia idealogy is hate and nothing else ...
Sir, near Isfahan, every year they celebrate a day where they pay homage to the Killer of Hazrat Omer ...how could then they talk of unity and all the bullshit which they never mean !

 

[Tameem]

well he was a great mujahed ,if god did not blessed his action how come he managed to stab Omar a dozen time in front and back when he was surrounded by 13 of his bodyguards, and also kill 6-9 of those bodyguards and severely injure the rest of them and do it while only had a short dagger . and the best part is that he managed to escape without a scratch .
Even Sylvester Stallone and Steven Segal can learn from him.

Despicable....These kinds of post will not bind but separate. &
If Iranians really admire/worship him (Killer of our 2nd Caliph: Hazrat Umar) as @Sage been stating........Shamefull!!

 

[Bratva]

my answer is exactly what I always answered to the trolls that made that claim several time ago.
I saw the video before and it's not worshiping but saying some Fatiha .
and more importantly what I posted about what happened is not from a Shia source it's how incident described in Sahih al-Bukhari, Chapter 66, Book of the Virtues of the Companions, Hadith number 3497. I only dramatized what is wrote there so if you have complaint go and tell it to Muhammad al-Bukhari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or if you think he is a liar well it's not my concerns it's your problem but that book is one of the six accepted source of hadith by Sunni people in fact i's abook which is accepted by both sunni and shia or let Quote the Wikipedia



the name or the word is not that important , what gave it value is the context it's used in. in this case it clearly have nothing to the God

Before I answer your post, I just want to ask, what is mentioned in Hadith number 3497 of Bukhari ? The incidence of Abu lulu ? and second question, have you read HAdith number 3497 of Bukhari sharif personally ?

 

[Sage]

Despicable....These kinds of post will not bind but separate.

This is where we are loosing ....why do we have to think of binding after all this ?

 

[The SiLent crY]

This is where Shias can never be my friend ...never !

No one cares about your friendship .

Just don't behead us and leave us alone .

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

In my views, Shias have diverged from the mainstream Islam. Some Shia sects like Ismaili, Druze, Alawi and Ali IIahahis are Ghulat sects which are on the periphery of Islam. The Shia Jafari (Ithna Ashari), Zaidi and too some extent Mustali Bohra retain most Muslim beliefs. Sunnis do not celebrate anyone who has killed any Shia religious leader or say anything bad about any Shia Imam. While the Shias say bad things about Khalifas and Sunni religious leaders even in sermons in the Mosques.

 

[The SiLent crY]

In my views, Shias have diverged from the mainstream Islam. Some Shia sects like Ismaili, Druze, Alawi and Ali IIahahis are Ghulat sects which are on the periphery of Islam. The Shia Jafari (Ithna Ashari), Zaidi and too some extent Mustali Bohra retain most Muslim beliefs. Sunnis do not celebrate anyone who has killed any Shia religious leader or say anything bad about any Shia Imam. While the Shias say bad things about Khalifas and Sunni religious leaders even in sermons in the Mosques.

I agree with you to some extend but ...

Some Shias might say bad things about Sunni leaders but that's all . Unlike Shias , Many Sunnis directly call Shias pagan and this is where violence starts against Shias .

Based on that view , Many Sunnis see this as a duty to kill Shias based on their Tafseers from Qur'an .

I have never seen a Shia to call Sunnis pagan or non Muslim but I myself have been called a pagan , Rafidi , etc countless times by Sunnis . This is a difference between the 2 sects and this view is the reason why almost all extremist groups have risen from Sunnis not Shias which certainly forces Shias to react .