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Typical takfiri bullshit wrapped up in intellectual clothes, Pakistan has a majority Sufi population, the Barelvis who are Sunni but have a great love and respect for the Ale Bait, together with the Shia people constitute a clear majority of the people.

If bangladesh wants to get involved in sectarian business, leave us out of it.
 
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Typical takfiri bullshit wrapped up in intellectual clothes, Pakistan has a majority Sufi population, the Barelvis who are Sunni but have a great love and respect for the Ale Bait, together with the Shia people constitute a clear majority of the people.

If bangladesh wants to get involved in sectarian business, leave us out of it.



There are more Sufis in the Arab world where Sufism originates. We are all Sufis by heart and by spirit.
 
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We need to understand what Iran's Mullah's have been doing since 1979, creating a Shia Ummah for themselves, helping the Shia in every place on earth in every way possible and turning them towards Qom as their sole spiritual center. A 200 million population centered on an ideology controlled and developed in Qom, backed by Iranian oil wealth and the Iranian state, while Shia majority oil rich state of Iraq has teamed up with them. This is a significant force, that even the Arab world in a united Arab League will find difficult to deal with. They are also spread out from India to Arabian peninsula. You can see from the PDF posts, a lot of Pakistani and Indian Muslim posters are Shia and they support Iran overtly and covertly. Algeria as a state somehow seems to be friendly to them, although they are Sunni Muslims, perhaps because their strong relations with Russia. So is Hamas, out of gratitude from past help they received from Iran and Hezb.

In many Sunni countries Iran has been known to target Sunni Muslims to convert them to Shi'ism, I have heard about their activities in Malaysia, Indonesia and Sub-saharan Muslim countries like Nigeria. In this respect, their activity is no different than aggressive targeting of Muslims for conversion by Christian evangelists.
Joshua Project

Since the difference between Shia and Sunni goes back to the beginning of Islam and since the difference has not been resolved yet in 1400 years and since many Shia's consider Sunni's to be deviant and consider only Shia to be true Muslims as is evident from their effort to convert and create their own exclusive Shia Ummah, then I think we can safely say that Shia and Sunni do not follow the same religion. Ironically both Shia and Sunni like to call themselves the only true Muslim. So those of us who say there is fighting between two Muslim peoples, this is sheer deception and Taqiyah, because these are not same peoples.

Because of this difference and because of their recent aggression against Sunni Muslims, OIC should consider expelling Iran and suspending memberships of Iraq and Lebanon as all 3 states are currently controlled by Shia govt. or militia. After that move, the OIC should ban Shia people and states who are engaged in active aggression against Sunni Muslims from holding Hajj in Mecca and Medina and refuse them entry to these holy sites of Islam. Lets put the money where your mouth is and show some spine for a change please.

Iran will remain under Mullah control for the foreseeable future, because of IRGC and Basij both of which are creation of the Mullah govt. that arose during Iran-Iraq war. And this means that Qom centric Shia Ummah consolidation will continue for the foreseeable future. Basij together with IRGC essentially runs Iran, while the Mullah's have become their mouthpiece. Together they have more than 200k full time, 300k reserve and more than a million armed members who can join as a fighting force as and when needed. In addition to these forces they have now access to Hezb, Houthi, Iraqi militia and even Hazara from Afghanistan.
Basij - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those of us who were here previously may recall, after ISIS emerged on the scene, I was upset about GCC govt. policies, because for long I have been posting comments to exercise caution about funds that are flowing to extremists fighting Assad. These funds obviously went not from govts but from private individuals, but govts failed to stop this flow of funds. To counter the rise of extremist rebels, I was proposing an OICPKF to tackle Assad and other Iranian proxies head on, which could be set up in an initiative led by the GCC govts.
OIC Peace Keeping Force for maintaining peace in majority Muslim countries

I was also upset because GCC govts believed and depended too much on the US in the Syrian conflict (hiding under the skirt of the US?), who turned out to be unreliable in the end, thanks specially to Obama. As I suspected, most people in the West has the attitude that "let these barbarian Muslim retards exterminate each other, it will be better for the world. Only good Muslim is a ....", so the govts. in the West with their inaction simply followed the opinion of their masses. GCC govts wrong decision to believe and to depend on the West, was a blunder which Iran and Iran's proxy Assad took full advantage of. Iran and Assad combined strategy always has been to provide space for and facilitate the growth of Sunni extremism, so they can eventually turn anti-West and then Iran and Assad will then join together with the West to destroy the Frankenstein monster. GCC govts could not foresee this game in the early stages of the anti-Assad rebellion and played right into this trap the Iranians and Assad set for them.

To be fair it is not just people in the West who feel ok with Muslims exterminating each other. I am afraid that a large cross section of population in China, India and Russia, have similar views about Muslims, specially Sunni Muslims, who are prone to irrational bouts of extremism and violence, thanks in large part to different variants of Salafi doctrine and its ability to turn normal mainstream Sunni Muslims into violent irrational extremists. Also it is because no one wants competition in their turf and Sunni Muslims, because of their current and future size (1.2 billion in just Sunni majority countries) if they become more united, can become an independent world power of sorts and a competitor, whereas the Shia, due to their smaller size will always remain dependent on their benefactors, like Russia and to some extent China.

Also, I was urging for a Global Fiqh Center (GFC) for Sunni Muslims to resolve the differences between different Madhabs and bring them closer together. This GFC then could easily declare the deviant extremists as outside the fold of Islam and thus expose, debunk and delegitimize their false claim among common Sunni Muslims, that they are supposedly following THE true path of Islam while committing War Crimes at the same time, violating basic Islamic laws:
How to stop Islamic extremism: Global Fiqh Council (GFC)
International Islamic Fiqh Academy, Jeddah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jeddah based OIC fiqh academy could be turned into this GFC and Saudi and other Arab Islamic scholars (Ulema) could lead this effort to reach a global consensus with other Ulema from all parts of the Sunni Muslim world. We must recognize that Salafism as a doctrine in its current form has proved to be a failure in promoting peace and development in Muslim societies and foster unity among the diverse Sunni Muslim community of different nationalities spread across Asia and Africa. We need to come up with a better alternative that will be acceptable to 1.4 billion Sunni Muslims of the world and which will also be good for unity, progress, development and tolerance among Muslim societies. Tolerance however does not mean that we need to keep lying down and become slaves of the Shia, but to become powerful we need to unify and consolidate the Sunni Muslim community of the world and keep them away from violent irrational extremism.

After the rise of Houthi's, His Royal Highness King Salman has made an excellent move to initiate attack on Iran's Houthi proxy in Yemen. Also a unified Arab force is an excellent move in the right direction. The decision to invite and include Turkey and Pakistan in this coalition is also great. But note that Turkey being a NATO member cannot directly participate at this stage, so their support will be limited to intelligence, logistics and perhaps equipment supply. Pakistan is also hesitant to get involved. Please note here that both Turkey and Pakistan, although they are Sunni majority, they have size-able Shia population, which is at least 10-15%. Specially in Pakistan Shia are highly educated, organized and influential. Some say they are 30% in the Army. The consensus I see in PDF is that Pakistan will help KSA defensively but not take part in any offensive operation outside KSA borders.

I believe KSA strategists also need to approach the other 3 major Sunni Muslim countries of the world, which are Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh. If non-Arab countries like Turkey and Pakistan can get involved, there is no reason to exclude these 3 countries, especially so because these countries have practically no significant Shia population from historical times in the past till today. So even if they become involved in offensive war in Yemen or Syria or Iraq, there is not much opportunity for Iran to retaliate against these 3 countries using their internal minuscule Shia population as their 5th column proxies Also these 3 countries do not border with Iran and have no significant economic relations with Iran..Indonesia, the largest Muslim country, has a size-able armed forces and experienced personnel. Bangladesh also has a well trained armed forces serving in UN peace-keeping operations.

Iranian aggressive effort for the last 36 years to unify their Shia Ummah have proved that if Sunni Muslims do not get unified in a similar effort with all the major countries then it will be difficult to counter Iran led Shia Ummah from establishing dominance over all of Mid-east. If and when Iran gets nukes, then it will become even more difficult to stop Iran from its ambitious goal. In a way, I am glad that Iran has been going in this direction, because if Iran did not start moving in this direction, then Sunni Muslims would not feel the need or urge to get unified. Because there is this threat of Iran led united Shia Ummah, it also presents an opportunity where all major Sunni countries can come together and hopefully form some kind of Sunni Muslim NATO of sorts for collective self defense, starting with the OICPKF effort. After setting up this collective NATO like entity, if we can provide security for all member states, only then it will be possible to develop our 1.2 billion population. Economic growth and developing a population into their full potential does not happen amid chaos. In such a scenario:

- Iran will forever be defeated against this alliance, remain subservient, cease meddling and pose no threat to Arab world
- Indonesia and Malaysia will fulfill their dream of creating a more integrated ASEAN perhaps with a future unified Korea as their close ally
- Pakistan and Bangladesh will no longer be bullied by India and will be able to get fair share of river water that have sources upstream in India
- Egypt will ensure its fair share of water for the Nile river

just to mention some of the myriad benefits

All of the above can happen under tacit understanding from the West as I believe the West may see some benefit in the formation of this alliance, specially reduction of extremism and terrorism. Like other powers they may not like to see a competitor emerge in world stage, but all powers of the world eventually will accept such ideas, because a united, peaceful and developed Sunni Muslim world is better than a terrorist infested chaotic fragmented hellhole like it is today.

With peace and stability in our countries, free from interference from external powers, we will then be able to concentrate on development, industrialization and advancement in science and technology. Instead of being just the Royal family of Saudi Arabia, with this direction, there is potential that Al Saud family will be able to become the main Royal family of the Sunni Ummah of 1.2 billion people, while the Royal families from UAE and Kuwait will be able to become the 2nd tier influential families for the Sunni Muslim Ummah, right after the Al Saud family. The potentials are unlimited if people in key places (and palaces?) understand the plus side and start moving in this direction with concrete steps. But it needs a comprehensive long term plan and strategy, not some panicky reactions and hasty acts like what we apparently see in Yemen.

Iran is serious about building up the Shia Ummah and I congratulate their effort in investing their time and resources in this effort. Gulf Arabs have the resources, but they need to understand that unless they are committed to the greater cause of building up the Sunni Ummah, the people in Sunni Ummah will not come forward with full commitment to shed their blood just as paid mercenaries to help Gulf Arabs in their time of need.Together we can make it happen Insha-Allah, but first the decision makers must make the right decisions:

Iran has lot of Sunnis in it and Iran needs to stop putting fire in other countries or majority can turn on them
 
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We need to understand what Iran's Mullah's have been doing since 1979, creating a Shia Ummah for themselves, helping the Shia in every place on earth in every way possible and turning them towards Qom as their sole spiritual center. A 200 million population centered on an ideology controlled and developed in Qom, backed by Iranian oil wealth and the Iranian state, while Shia majority oil rich state of Iraq has teamed up with them. This is a significant force, that even the Arab world in a united Arab League will find difficult to deal with. They are also spread out from India to Arabian peninsula. You can see from the PDF posts, a lot of Pakistani and Indian Muslim posters are Shia and they support Iran overtly and covertly. Algeria as a state somehow seems to be friendly to them, although they are Sunni Muslims, perhaps because their strong relations with Russia. So is Hamas, out of gratitude from past help they received from Iran and Hezb.

In many Sunni countries Iran has been known to target Sunni Muslims to convert them to Shi'ism, I have heard about their activities in Malaysia, Indonesia and Sub-saharan Muslim countries like Nigeria. In this respect, their activity is no different than aggressive targeting of Muslims for conversion by Christian evangelists.
Joshua Project

Since the difference between Shia and Sunni goes back to the beginning of Islam and since the difference has not been resolved yet in 1400 years and since many Shia's consider Sunni's to be deviant and consider only Shia to be true Muslims as is evident from their effort to convert and create their own exclusive Shia Ummah, then I think we can safely say that Shia and Sunni do not follow the same religion. Ironically both Shia and Sunni like to call themselves the only true Muslim. So those of us who say there is fighting between two Muslim peoples, this is sheer deception and Taqiyah, because these are not same peoples.

Because of this difference and because of their recent aggression against Sunni Muslims, OIC should consider expelling Iran and suspending memberships of Iraq and Lebanon as all 3 states are currently controlled by Shia govt. or militia. After that move, the OIC should ban Shia people and states who are engaged in active aggression against Sunni Muslims from holding Hajj in Mecca and Medina and refuse them entry to these holy sites of Islam. Lets put the money where your mouth is and show some spine for a change please.

Iran will remain under Mullah control for the foreseeable future, because of IRGC and Basij both of which are creation of the Mullah govt. that arose during Iran-Iraq war. And this means that Qom centric Shia Ummah consolidation will continue for the foreseeable future. Basij together with IRGC essentially runs Iran, while the Mullah's have become their mouthpiece. Together they have more than 200k full time, 300k reserve and more than a million armed members who can join as a fighting force as and when needed. In addition to these forces they have now access to Hezb, Houthi, Iraqi militia and even Hazara from Afghanistan.
Basij - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those of us who were here previously may recall, after ISIS emerged on the scene, I was upset about GCC govt. policies, because for long I have been posting comments to exercise caution about funds that are flowing to extremists fighting Assad. These funds obviously went not from govts but from private individuals, but govts failed to stop this flow of funds. To counter the rise of extremist rebels, I was proposing an OICPKF to tackle Assad and other Iranian proxies head on, which could be set up in an initiative led by the GCC govts.
OIC Peace Keeping Force for maintaining peace in majority Muslim countries

I was also upset because GCC govts believed and depended too much on the US in the Syrian conflict (hiding under the skirt of the US?), who turned out to be unreliable in the end, thanks specially to Obama. As I suspected, most people in the West has the attitude that "let these barbarian Muslim retards exterminate each other, it will be better for the world. Only good Muslim is a ....", so the govts. in the West with their inaction simply followed the opinion of their masses. GCC govts wrong decision to believe and to depend on the West, was a blunder which Iran and Iran's proxy Assad took full advantage of. Iran and Assad combined strategy always has been to provide space for and facilitate the growth of Sunni extremism, so they can eventually turn anti-West and then Iran and Assad will then join together with the West to destroy the Frankenstein monster. GCC govts could not foresee this game in the early stages of the anti-Assad rebellion and played right into this trap the Iranians and Assad set for them.

To be fair it is not just people in the West who feel ok with Muslims exterminating each other. I am afraid that a large cross section of population in China, India and Russia, have similar views about Muslims, specially Sunni Muslims, who are prone to irrational bouts of extremism and violence, thanks in large part to different variants of Salafi doctrine and its ability to turn normal mainstream Sunni Muslims into violent irrational extremists. Also it is because no one wants competition in their turf and Sunni Muslims, because of their current and future size (1.2 billion in just Sunni majority countries) if they become more united, can become an independent world power of sorts and a competitor, whereas the Shia, due to their smaller size will always remain dependent on their benefactors, like Russia and to some extent China.

Also, I was urging for a Global Fiqh Center (GFC) for Sunni Muslims to resolve the differences between different Madhabs and bring them closer together. This GFC then could easily declare the deviant extremists as outside the fold of Islam and thus expose, debunk and delegitimize their false claim among common Sunni Muslims, that they are supposedly following THE true path of Islam while committing War Crimes at the same time, violating basic Islamic laws:
How to stop Islamic extremism: Global Fiqh Council (GFC)
International Islamic Fiqh Academy, Jeddah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jeddah based OIC fiqh academy could be turned into this GFC and Saudi and other Arab Islamic scholars (Ulema) could lead this effort to reach a global consensus with other Ulema from all parts of the Sunni Muslim world. We must recognize that Salafism as a doctrine in its current form has proved to be a failure in promoting peace and development in Muslim societies and foster unity among the diverse Sunni Muslim community of different nationalities spread across Asia and Africa. We need to come up with a better alternative that will be acceptable to 1.4 billion Sunni Muslims of the world and which will also be good for unity, progress, development and tolerance among Muslim societies. Tolerance however does not mean that we need to keep lying down and become slaves of the Shia, but to become powerful we need to unify and consolidate the Sunni Muslim community of the world and keep them away from violent irrational extremism.

After the rise of Houthi's, His Royal Highness King Salman has made an excellent move to initiate attack on Iran's Houthi proxy in Yemen. Also a unified Arab force is an excellent move in the right direction. The decision to invite and include Turkey and Pakistan in this coalition is also great. But note that Turkey being a NATO member cannot directly participate at this stage, so their support will be limited to intelligence, logistics and perhaps equipment supply. Pakistan is also hesitant to get involved. Please note here that both Turkey and Pakistan, although they are Sunni majority, they have size-able Shia population, which is at least 10-15%. Specially in Pakistan Shia are highly educated, organized and influential. Some say they are 30% in the Army. The consensus I see in PDF is that Pakistan will help KSA defensively but not take part in any offensive operation outside KSA borders.

I believe KSA strategists also need to approach the other 3 major Sunni Muslim countries of the world, which are Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh. If non-Arab countries like Turkey and Pakistan can get involved, there is no reason to exclude these 3 countries, especially so because these countries have practically no significant Shia population from historical times in the past till today. So even if they become involved in offensive war in Yemen or Syria or Iraq, there is not much opportunity for Iran to retaliate against these 3 countries using their internal minuscule Shia population as their 5th column proxies Also these 3 countries do not border with Iran and have no significant economic relations with Iran..Indonesia, the largest Muslim country, has a size-able armed forces and experienced personnel. Bangladesh also has a well trained armed forces serving in UN peace-keeping operations.

Iranian aggressive effort for the last 36 years to unify their Shia Ummah have proved that if Sunni Muslims do not get unified in a similar effort with all the major countries then it will be difficult to counter Iran led Shia Ummah from establishing dominance over all of Mid-east. If and when Iran gets nukes, then it will become even more difficult to stop Iran from its ambitious goal. In a way, I am glad that Iran has been going in this direction, because if Iran did not start moving in this direction, then Sunni Muslims would not feel the need or urge to get unified. Because there is this threat of Iran led united Shia Ummah, it also presents an opportunity where all major Sunni countries can come together and hopefully form some kind of Sunni Muslim NATO of sorts for collective self defense, starting with the OICPKF effort. After setting up this collective NATO like entity, if we can provide security for all member states, only then it will be possible to develop our 1.2 billion population. Economic growth and developing a population into their full potential does not happen amid chaos. In such a scenario:

- Iran will forever be defeated against this alliance, remain subservient, cease meddling and pose no threat to Arab world
- Indonesia and Malaysia will fulfill their dream of creating a more integrated ASEAN perhaps with a future unified Korea as their close ally
- Pakistan and Bangladesh will no longer be bullied by India and will be able to get fair share of river water that have sources upstream in India
- Egypt will ensure its fair share of water for the Nile river

just to mention some of the myriad benefits

All of the above can happen under tacit understanding from the West as I believe the West may see some benefit in the formation of this alliance, specially reduction of extremism and terrorism. Like other powers they may not like to see a competitor emerge in world stage, but all powers of the world eventually will accept such ideas, because a united, peaceful and developed Sunni Muslim world is better than a terrorist infested chaotic fragmented hellhole like it is today.

With peace and stability in our countries, free from interference from external powers, we will then be able to concentrate on development, industrialization and advancement in science and technology. Instead of being just the Royal family of Saudi Arabia, with this direction, there is potential that Al Saud family will be able to become the main Royal family of the Sunni Ummah of 1.2 billion people, while the Royal families from UAE and Kuwait will be able to become the 2nd tier influential families for the Sunni Muslim Ummah, right after the Al Saud family. The potentials are unlimited if people in key places (and palaces?) understand the plus side and start moving in this direction with concrete steps. But it needs a comprehensive long term plan and strategy, not some panicky reactions and hasty acts like what we apparently see in Yemen.

Iran is serious about building up the Shia Ummah and I congratulate their effort in investing their time and resources in this effort. Gulf Arabs have the resources, but they need to understand that unless they are committed to the greater cause of building up the Sunni Ummah, the people in Sunni Ummah will not come forward with full commitment to shed their blood just as paid mercenaries to help Gulf Arabs in their time of need.Together we can make it happen Insha-Allah, but first the decision makers must make the right decisions:


I have stopped reading at the conversion scheme and the analogy with christian attempts at converting Muslims !!!
I have never seen or heard of anywhere that Shi'a Muslims try to covert Sunni Muslims (to what? Islam!!! how stupid one can be?).
 
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Look at us weak selfish muslims. Now fighting over shia and sunni and doing everything to give this Iran Saudi diffidence a new look of sectarian conflict. We muslims will not rise until we eliminate our petty and useless disputes. Iran is by far the only country standing up to Israeli aggression and assertiveness. It is American bias that makes it wrong for Iran to possess a nuclear weapon but an Israel to have it. It is American bias that it occupies 2 nations bordering Iran and has one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world.

I believe we should not be strangulated by the evil hand of the sectarian mindset and should work together to unite the ummah. Both shia, sunni can go to heaven. Let us not trample our chances and work together to defy the trend of Islamic weakness and decline.

We are by far in a state of utter decline. Until we keep seeing Saudi Arabia or Iran, according to our own sectarian mindset, as the enemy we will remain so... It is despicable that for 100 years+ we have been struggling to avoid secular theory which enforces better governance and equal rights. Ireland adopted secularism and they progressed limitlessly. We need Ijtehad, we need modern thinking over traditional ideas. Why is it that we muslims bomb stadiums, mosques, churches and public gatherings? Are we being fed indoctrinated history made up on lies and deceit? There is no shame in accepting the secular system which has been far more successful than our own.

And for godsake stop painting Iran or Saudi as the enemy. Both countries need to mature and stop looking at each other through the sectarian lens... the enemy is within us and in the system Saudi and Iran have for their countries governance.
 
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I think the core hate comes after Saudi backed Saddam Hussein in Iran-Iraq war. And followed by Iran backing in Syria, helping Bashar Al-Assad regime against Syrian Sunni majority.

Saudi needs to apologize over his previous backing on Iran Iraq war to all Iranian because it is a bad policy (helping aggressive Saddam policy who initiated the war), and Iran ( with his control over hizbullah brigade) also needs to pull out his troops and help in backing Bashar and leave Syria as soon as possible.

Actually I have emotional feeling over Syria, but the hate is only focused on Ali Khameine, not the people of Iran. I respect many Iranian leader, like Rafsanjani and Khatami. People need to see the truth and seek justice over anything, and stop backing bad leader policy just because the leader comes from his country/ sect.

Just by looking to his face, I know he is a blessed Muslim
mohammed_khatami.jpg

Khatami

It is not about Sunni and Shiah, but the leaders and their respective fanatic follower
 
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Unfortunately, more sunni terrorist organisations exist than shiite, I admit that. I have a very simple question for you. What do you think of Assad? Do you think he is a good leader? Do you deny he is a mass murderer?
not a good leader , but the best available option .
after the terrorists get cleared out of Syria then the Syrian will decide about what to do with their country.

And above all how could Shia and Sunni be friend If Abu Lulu (The Killer of Hazrat Omer) is being worshiped in Iran ?View attachment 213622
well he was a great mujahed ,if god did not blessed his action how come he managed to stab Omar a dozen time in front and back when he was surrounded by 13 of his bodyguards, and also kill 6-9 of those bodyguards and severely injure the rest of them and do it while only had a short dagger . and the best part is that he managed to escape without a scratch .
Even Sylvester Stallone and Steven Segal can learn from him.

PS. Stop spreading lies that Shia Worship Pīrūz Nahāvandi

by the way it's the shrine as you can see it's used as police headquarter not anything else.
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Genius, there are more Shias in the Arab world than anywhere else. KSA alone is home to the 9th largest Shia community in the world. There are around 200 countries in the world. You do the math.

Shia Islam along with Sunni Islam, Sufism and everything else originated in the Arab world. Please tell me where Makkah, Madinah, Karbala and Najaf are located again?

Try harder next time.

Did you even bother to read his excellent post? He is spot on 100%. There is no sectarianism either. He criticizes terrorism, Al-Qaeda, Salafism etc.

What's your problem basically? That he criticized the "progressive" Mullah's of Iran that so many Indians seem to love (at least the few I have seen on PDF, I never visit your section) so much for God knows what reason?
please dont quote the flamer and troll posts.

the OP's article is a political opinion and I understand that. I don't agree with that though but there is no compulsion its a point of view.

whenever I think of Shia/ Sunni schism or more specifically Persian/ Arab conflict ... I ask myself so who is right?
and the answer is.

well it depends who you ask
its a dark joke.

You could name this thread 'Evil Shias: An introduction' and at least be straight about it.

To put it straight, if I gather all propaganda by ISIS, Taliban, Al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups, sugarcoat them and pretend like it's written by an actual intellectual, something like this would come out.

the issue is political but has religious tones added to it for credence.

Al Qaeda, LeJ, Boko Haram and ISIS are the dogs of hellfire... this is a view point of majority Sunni Ulema in Pakistan. I said Sunni because these organisations claim to represent the Sunni sentiments but God forbid its not the case because over 1.5 Billion Sunnis would really have turned the earth into a hell hole if they agreed with the cannibalism, mass rape, beheading , mutilating corpses burning people alive, blowing up schools and mosques like these Khawarij do.

I never felt any issue when i visited Iran and was able to pray in both Sunni and Shia mosques without any awkward moment . there is no tension which you now see in Pakistan.

I will respond to OP in detail because its an interesting read.
 
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@kalu_miah

Am I right you're just using the Shi'a enemy story as a reason to gain support for your idea's of extensive co-operation you've written earlier on a long time ago ?

Anyway as for the Shi'a enemy story, they aren't external they're internal as well as they exist in the millions in Yemen, Pakistan and GCC states. If you think they're the enemy than no one other than those folks will come into the main role of opposing them, the same Salafis you call an internal problem. This song fits well
 
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well he was a great mujahed ,if god did not blessed his action how come he managed to stab Omar a dozen time in front and back when he was surrounded by 13 of his bodyguards, and also kill 6-9 of those bodyguards and severely injure the rest of them and do it while only had a short dagger . and the best part is that he managed to escape without a scratch .
Even Sylvester Stallone and Steven Segal can learn from him.

PS. Stop spreading lies that Shia Worship Pīrūz Nahāvandi

by the way it's the shrine as you can see it's used as police headquarter not anything else.
Whenever I say something, I always do some research, Do you want me to post the video where he is worshiped on a specific day ?..Your reply does not leave anymore room to discuss any thing ...I will consider it a last nail in the coffin of 'friendship' between Shia and Sunni ....
May ALLAH be happy from the Caliphs of Islam !

well he was a great mujahed ,if god did not blessed his action how come he managed to stab Omar a dozen time in front and back when he was surrounded by 13 of his bodyguards, and also kill 6-9 of those bodyguards and severely injure the rest of them and do it while only had a short dagger . and the best part is that he managed to escape without a scratch .
Even Sylvester Stallone and Steven Segal can learn from him.
@Irfan Baloch @Zarvan @Arabian Legend
 
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