Sukhoi Su-35 vs Dassault Rafale

[bigzgvr4]

Your post sound like Chinese have better weapons and sensors thn france . I guess thats why pakistan wanted to replace chinese avionics with French which was cancelled because of India factor

UMM In kargil war the m2k Used american guided Bombs not French French dont even use its guided bombs in Mali but nato spec and Pakistan used Chinese guided bomb in Swat Ops so they are proven to Work, even some American Guided bombs does not explode so Far Chinese Equipment is better and Cheaper YOu can have 5 for 1 price and not worry about any thing

Nato MiL spec Equipment is not Sold to any foriegn nation that is not Nato even paksitan did not get nato mil spec when they buy from america they get Regular off the shelf from the Source which provide nato Spec to the Forces

so again if Rafale uses nato Spec Weapons it is superior but if not then Su-35 with Chinese weapons

 

[ANPP]

UMM In kargil war the m2k Used american guided Bombs not French French dont even use its guided bombs in Mali but nato spec and Pakistan used Chinese guided bomb in Swat Ops so they are proven to Work, even some American Guided bombs does not explode so Far Chinese Equipment is better and Cheaper YOu can have 5 for 1 price and not worry about any thing

Nato MiL spec Equipment is not Sold to any foriegn nation that is not Nato even paksitan did not get nato mil spec when they buy from america they get Regular off the shelf from the Source which provide nato Spec to the Forces

so again if Rafale uses nato Spec Weapons it is superior but if not then Su-35 with Chinese weapons

Little correction, M2k used Isreally bomb in Kargil not american one.:lo:

 

[Koovie]

UMM In kargil war the m2k Used american guided Bombs not French French dont even use its guided bombs in Mali but nato spec and Pakistan used Chinese guided bomb in Swat Ops so they are proven to Work, even some American Guided bombs does not explode so Far Chinese Equipment is better and Cheaper YOu can have 5 for 1 price and not worry about any thing

Nato MiL spec Equipment is not Sold to any foriegn nation that is not Nato even paksitan did not get nato mil spec when they buy from america they get Regular off the shelf from the Source which provide nato Spec to the Forces

so again if Rafale uses nato Spec Weapons it is superior but if not then Su-35 with Chinese weapons

American bombs dont go off and Chinese weapons are better ...... Please give us sources before making these arbitrary and completely baseless statements.

PS: You live in the US and your English is still so crappy???

 

[ANPP]

American bombs dont go off and Chinese weapons are better ...... Please give us sources before making these arbitrary and completely baseless statements.

PS: You live in the US and your English is still so crappy???

He learn English in Madrasa & living in his dreams. So dont wake up him.

 

[bigzgvr4]

American bombs dont go off and Chinese weapons are better ...... Please give us sources before making these arbitrary and completely baseless statements.

PS: You live in the US and your English is still so crappy???

My english is not based on the slave english that you had to learn because you were colonized and you can search your self on youtube about american precision guided bomb not working on Youtube @ANPP what is the difference between the two they both made by the same entity

 

[ANPP]

My english is not based on the slave english that you had to learn because you were colonized and you can search your self on youtube about american precision guided bomb not working on Youtube @ANPP what is the difference between the two they both made by the same entity

Bhai, use parenthesis, just a simple request, so that we can read it easily. Although my english is also not good.

 

[bigzgvr4]

Bhai, use parenthesis, just a simple request, so that we can read it easily. Although my english is also not good.

I dont use parenthesis they are used in math here in USA, and just search about indian accent on you tube also you will get the idea about what iam talking about, Also here we are discussing which plane is better not english literature and grammar okay buddy
thank you come again

and this is parenthesis {}() etc and what you are referring to is punctuation and punctuation is used when you are giving a test on a subject or for official Use only not on PDF its not an official outlet

 

[danger007]

1. Normal take-off
* Su-35: 25,300 kg
* Rafale: 15,000 kg

2. MTOW
* Su-35: 34,500 kg

*Rafale: 24,500 kg

3. Internal Fuel
* Su-35: 11,500 kg

* Rafale: 4,750 kg

4. Maximal Payload
* Su-35: 8,000 kg

* Rafale: 9,500 kg

5. Maximal Speed, 11,000 m
* Su-35: 2.25 Mach

* Rafale: 1.80 Mach+ (2.00 Mach)

6. Maximal speed, 200 m
* Su-35: 1,400 km/hr

* Rafale: 750 kts

7. Climb rate
*Su-35: 280 m/sec+, 1,000 m


* Rafale: 305 m/sec+, sea-level

8. Operational Altitude
* Su-35: 59,000 fts

* Rafale: 55,000 fts

9. Ferry range

* Su-35: 4,500 km (Internal Fuel + 2000L
tanks*2)

* Rafale: > 2,100 km (Internal Fuel)


10. Acceleration
* Su-35: 13.8 secs from 600 km/hr to 1,100 km/
hr, and 8 secs from 1,100 km/hr to 1,300 km/hr
with 50% internal fuel, standard A-A
configuration, and height of 1,000 m
* Rafale: around 20 seconds from 300 km/hr to
1,000 km/hr at low altitude.

11. Normal upper G-limit
* Su-35: +9.0G

* Rafale: +9.0G

12. T/W ratio of normal take-off AB / Max.
Mil. * Su-35: 1.10 ~ 1.15 / 0.69 ~ 0.70

* Rafale: 1.02 ~ 1.03 / 0.68 ~ 0.69

13. Take-off with standard A-A configuration
* Su-35: 400 to 450 m
* Rafale: 400 m

14. Landing
* Su-35: 650 m with the help of braking and
parachute
* Rafale: 400 m with the help of braking only

15. Radar's range
* Su-35: Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the
range of 350 to 400 km away --> 307 ~ 351.
* Rafale: Detecting target of RCS = 5 m2 at the
range of 130 ~ 148 km away --> Detecting target
of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 114 to 130 km
away theoretically --> 100 ~ 114.

16. Maximal horizontal scanning angle of
Radar

* Su-35: +/-120 degrees


* Rafale: +/- 60 degrees

17. Capability of multiple target engagement
* Su-35: Tracking 30 and engaging 8.
* Rafale: Tracking 40 and engaging 4 to 6.

18. Frontal minimal RCS / Ratio of RCS / Ratio of
range being detected
* Su-35: 1.0 ~ 3.0 m2 --> 6666 ~ 20000 --> 9.03 ~
11.89
* Rafale: 0.1 ~ 0.2 m2 --> 666 ~ 1332 --> 5.08 ~
6.04

19. Su-35 v.s Rafale
* Theoretically, Rafale shall be able to detect /
track Su-35 at the range of 87 to 130 km / 52 to
91 km away in head to head engagement.

* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect /
track Rafale at the range of 150 to 203 km / 90 to
142 km away in head to head engagement.

So Su-35 radar is more powerful than Rafale? what is the RCS of these two jets.

 

[The_magnificent]

So Su-35 radar is more powerful than Rafale? what is the RCS of these two jets.

I do not know from whr that theoritical ranges are coming. I guess Su35 will detect rafale with RCS of 0.3m2 at the range of 80 km. and rafale will be able to detect 3m2 rcs of su35 even earlier.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cIGHqLyPopU/UPe6vvyXKiI/AAAAAAAAAic/OtOs9FuPFVs/s1600/Fighter+Radar.jpg

He assumed the rcs of su35 to be 3 m2 and of rafale .3 m2. I think under this variation of radar crosssection. Rafale will have upper hand.

 

[Ayush]

My english is not based on the slave english that you had to learn because you were colonized and you can search your self on youtube about american precision guided bomb not working on Youtube @ANPP what is the difference between the two they both made by the same entity

you were colonised??
ur family been staying in america since 1800's??

 

[sancho]

How the ground attack cabability of rafale n su35 are compared.

Depends on what kind of attack. The Flanker plattform (all multi role versions) in general is literally a bomb truck, with the high payload and numbers of hardpoints and the advantage to not need external fuel tank even increases the load capability as explained in post #24 and the Su 35 has even increased it's laod capabilities. The Flanker also have a good variety of weapons available, but at the end the Su 35 is mainly geared for A2A roles, with strikes only in secondary roles, which is why the Su 34 is better in low level, terrain avoiding attacks, or why it's canard design will offer better slow speed maneuverabilty.
Rafale has a balanced design for A2A and A2G, it shares capability with both Flankers, like high maneuverability, SC and good missile loads in A2A, or terrain avoiding low level capabilities by design and specialised avionics. On of the biggest advantage in strike, will be Rafales low observability and it's advanced passive sensors and EWS, which makes it more survivable during preemptive or deepstrikes. In CAS with lighter bombs, it also will have an advantage too, as proved in the MMRCA trials, or Libya, where it was able to strike targets at long range and a single attack, unlike other fighters.

Basically one can say, the Su 35 (just like the MKI) will be better with heavy weapons from high altitude, while Rafale is better in CAS and penetration strike missions.

rafale is better it uses nato Weapons But if Su-35 uses chinese weapons then the su-35 will be better given they would put the same electro optical pod they have on j-20 on the su-35

Even China uses often even copied versions of Russian A2G weapons and when you compare the CEPs of Chinese bombs with foreign counterparts, you will clearly see that they are not as capable.

UMM In kargil war the m2k Used american guided Bombs not French French dont even use its guided bombs in Mali but nato spec

Which is nonsense, we didn't used French LGBs because they were 1000Kg versions, while you only use smaller versions for CAS, that's why 500Kg Paveway LGBs were integrated and the French used their AASM in Mali as well, since it's far more precise and capable than the US LGB. In the first attacks alone 2 x Rafale with 12 x AASM were used.

So Su-35 radar is more powerful than Rafale? what is the RCS of these two jets.

As explained in earlier posts, the clean RCS of Rafale is smaller, but it doesn't fly clean in war missions and the more fuel tanks you add, the more equal the RCS of both fighters might be.

 

[bigzgvr4]

you were colonised??
ur family been staying in america since 1800's??

thank you come again

Depends on what kind of attack. The Flanker plattform (all multi role versions) in general is literally a bomb truck, with the high payload and numbers of hardpoints and the advantage to not need external fuel tank even increases the load capability as explained in post #24 and the Su 35 has even increased it's laod capabilities. The Flanker also have a good variety of weapons available, but at the end the Su 35 is mainly geared for A2A roles, with strikes only in secondary roles, which is why the Su 34 is better in low level, terrain avoiding attacks, or why it's canard design will offer better slow speed maneuverabilty.
Rafale has a balanced design for A2A and A2G, it shares capability with both Flankers, like high maneuverability, SC and good missile loads in A2A, or terrain avoiding low level capabilities by design and specialised avionics. On of the biggest advantage in strike, will be Rafales low observability and it's advanced passive sensors and EWS, which makes it more survivable during preemptive or deepstrikes. In CAS with lighter bombs, it also will have an advantage too, as proved in the MMRCA trials, or Libya, where it was able to strike targets at long range and a single attack, unlike other fighters.

Basically one can say, the Su 35 (just like the MKI) will be better with heavy weapons from high altitude, while Rafale is better in CAS and penetration strike missions.



Even China uses often even copied versions of Russian A2G weapons and when you compare the CEPs of Chinese bombs with foreign counterparts, you will clearly see that they are not as capable.







As explained in earlier posts, the clean RCS of Rafale is smaller, but it doesn't fly clean in war missions and the more fuel tanks you add, the more equal the RCS of both fighters might be.

so basically at higher altitude its the super sukhoi mki or (su-35) and CAS will be Rafale

thank you come again

 

[Ayush]

thank you come again

this time i will come with veg biryani

 

[bigzgvr4]

this time i will come with veg biryani

okay keep it for yourself though

thank you come again

 

[GURU DUTT]

so in short when india had the SU30 MKI's against the Pakistani F16 MKI was a elephant on the radar and not a god's gift to aviataion and all that blah blah

now when chinese are getting the SU 35 BM which is slightyli better than the MKI's people are jumping here with joy as it might counter the MKI-Rafale Combo

But But But what they dont try to think is That Very soon MKI's will have an ASEA radar so will The Rafale's + best french , israeli and Russian avioniks + both will carry the super sonic Bhramose ACML (MKI=3 & Rafale =2) on with at least 4 BVR's + 2 WVR's on any strike mission + all those deadli LGB's & Other stuff

now its for sure that china is not going to fight with India for Pakistan all it will do is give PAF the latest aircraft & wepons to fight and that too not in huge nos

so why are pakistani freinds so happy about now the gods gift to aviation SU 35 BM (which soon PLAF will have )