Sukhoi SU-30 Carnage in Ukraine!

[VkdIndian]

Al-Jazeera was at the site within two days, and Associated Press within five days. Both channels had full access to talk with civilians in the area and move about without escort from the military.

Negative Sir. Media interview of locals hearing bomb explosions in the AREA is a meaningless proof of accuracy or inaccuracy of the attack.
No media access was allowed to that BUILDING for two months. After two months there was a media tour organised by ISPR. This aspect has been done and dusted adequately right here on PDF.
Please read it completely.

India air raids hit near Jaish-e-Mohammad-run school

Indian bombing inside Pakistani territory appears to have struck a mostly uninhabited forest and a farmer’s wheat field.

www.aljazeera.com

People read a part of an article and jump at the first instance that favours their story. No one seems to read the article fully. Let me paste the relevant sections here -

“Religious fighters present?​

Residents offered conflicting accounts of the facility’s work, with some saying it only offered religious education for local schoolchildren, while others alleged it was a training camp for JeM fighters.


“The madrassa [religious school] there, at the top of the mountain, that is a training camp for mujahideen [religious fighters],” said one resident, gesturing in the direction of the school. He spoke on condition of anonymity given the sensitivity of the subject.”

”Al Jazeera was unable to visit the site of the school.”

I hope people understand the meaning of the site. Site is not 5 Kms from the so called school. SITE is that building, to which media access was denied for two months. Some people claim there was unexploded ordnance at the site that needed clearance. It took two months to clear? Hell of pace that is.

 

[PakFactor]

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/pakistan-denies-reuters-access-to-madarasa-targetted-by-iaf/article26471697.ece

No access to Pakistan religious school that India says it bombed

Pakistani security officials on Thursday prevented a Reuters team from climbing a hill in northeastern Pakistan to the site of a madrasa and a group of surrounding buildings that was targeted by Indian warplanes last week.

www.reuters.com

Yet Al-Jazeera was there within two days; who are traditionally embedded with Pak Army, not Reuters. There is a thing called clearance, you know.

Negative Sir. Media interview of locals hearing bomb explosions in the area is a meaningless proof of accuracy or inaccuracy of the attack.
No media access was allowed to that building for two months. After two months there was a media tour organised by ISPR. This aspect has been done and dusted adequately right here on PDF.

At raid site, no casualties and a mysterious school | News | Al Jazeera

Al-Jazeera reporting see the date:

By Asad Hashim
Published On 28 Feb 2019

They were allowed to interview civilians, as shown in the article.

@TopGun786

 

[TopGun786]

Pakistan didn’t feel the immediate requirement of media visit to the so called seminary at Balakot, attacked by IAF. It occurred to them after two months that media visit is a good idea to prove that there was no attack to the structure. They had all the chance to call a bluff to Indian claim by one small visit immediately. India is a liar and is always creating a narrative. What about you? You had all the chance to prove it overwhelmingly. But….

Some people claim that Hamid Mir was allowed immediately after the attack. What they wouldn’t tell is that he was allowed only at the so called bomb craters. No one was allowed inside the so called building. Why?

And I am not even talking about “doosra banda” captured and being treated at military hospital.

There are loopholes in the stories sold by both sides.

There has been no major terrorist attack after Indian retaliation, post Pulwama, is a proof that Indian Air Strikes did achieve the aim of giving a clear message about the new red line. A line that India wouldn’t allow Pakistan to cross. That is - No material support to militants in Kashmir.

There were glaring loopholes in the IAF preparedness which was brought out to the fore. Why were communications not encrypted and secure? Why was BVR edge not taken care of? Balakot, has shaken the famous India Babudom out of slumber.
Those celebrating demise of SU-30 should do it with caution. It remains a potent threat to any adversary. It couldn’t get a kill that day, since it was outranged by PAF BVRs. That doesn’t make it a bad fighter. With new BVRs and it’s phenomenal load carrying capability and good endurance, it can prove to be a mighty adversary.

SU-30 aircraft lost in a different theatre under completely different threat scenario is no reason for India to loose sleep.

Same old blind narrative. Al-Jazeera was at the site within two days, and Associated Press within five days. Both channels had full access to talk with civilians in the area and move about without escort from the military.

 

[PakFactor]

Same old blind narrative. Al-Jazeera was at the site within two days, and Associated Press within five days. Both channels had full access to talk with civilians in the area and move about without escort from the military.

At raid site, no casualties and a mysterious school | News | Al Jazeera

Al-Jazeera reporting see the date:

By Asad Hashim
Published On 28 Feb 2019

They were allowed to interview civilians, as shown in the article.

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I wonder what shit excuse these Indians will come up with next, Lol.

 

[adelphi]

wasn't PAF and the ministers glorify on fake shooting down of su30 MKI?

These are part of the Propaganda war, Sir

Awarding fake medals is different than ministers making media statememts. This is insult to deserving soldiers. In my opinion chopper crew who lost their lives deserved more recognition.

 

[TopGun786]

Negative Sir. Media interview of locals hearing bomb explosions in the area is a meaningless proof of accuracy or inaccuracy of the attack.
No media access was allowed to that building for two months. After two months there was a media tour organised by ISPR. This aspect has been done and dusted adequately right here on PDF.

Explosions can be heard miles away. So you mean IAF bombs were dropped by pinpoint accuracy on some trees some 40 kilometers away? The problem is 95% of Indian ''bois'' of IAF accept whatever dung Godi media puts in their minds. There must be some sort of logic behind every narrative. Different claims from different media sources of India.
First, they said they had completely blown up a Pakistani terrorist camp and 400 dead bodies were littered everywhere.
Then when no proof came they changed the narrative a bit and said the camp was completely destroyed but Pakistan hide all the 400 dead bodies.
Again when international media saw the place by satellite and no damage and asked for proof they said ''actually we used smart bombs....which were so smart that buildings are still standing from the outside but completely destroyed from the inside. You can see small holes in the roofs of buildings. What a load of bull shit !!!!!!!!!!!!
Meanwhile, in all this confusion their PM came forward and introduced the whole world to Cloud and radar Theory..... things did not stop there and kept going.
The truth is the more Indian dig into this matter, the more they are exposed and the more they are humiliated.

Awarding fake medals is different than ministers making media statememts. This is insult to deserving soldiers. In my opinion chopper crew who lost their lives deserved more recognition.

They were some poor lost sheep who were trying to earn some for their families. Little did they know what fate was awaiting them.

 

[walterbibikow]

Explosions can be heard miles away. So you mean IAF bombs were dropped by pinpoint accuracy on some trees some 40 kilometers away? The problem is 95% of Indian ''bois'' of IAF accept whatever dung Godi media puts in their minds. There must be some sort of logic behind every narrative. Different claims from different media sources of India.
First, they said they had completely blown up a Pakistani terrorist camp and 400 dead bodies were littered everywhere.
Then when no proof came they changed the narrative a bit and said the camp was completely destroyed but Pakistan hide all the 400 dead bodies.
Again when international media saw the place by satellite and no damage and asked for proof they said ''actually we used smart bombs....which were so smart that buildings are still standing from the outside but completely destroyed from the inside. You can see small holes in the roofs of buildings. What a load of bull shit !!!!!!!!!!!!
Meanwhile, in all this confusion their PM came forward and introduced the whole world to Cloud and radar Theory..... things did not stop there and kept going.
The truth is the more Indian dig into this matter, the more they are exposed and the more they are humiliated.


They were some poor lost sheep who were trying to earn some for their families. Little did they know what fate was awaiting them.

You guys took them to wrong place. The IAF has confirmed that the main target of the IAF’s raid was the Trainee Accommodation (Mujahid hostel) located at Latitude North 34 deg, 27 min, 53 sec, and Longitude East, 73 deg, 19 min, 04 sec; at the north edge of the camp. 3 Spice 2000 bombs landed precisely within 3 m CEP at 0330H on 26 February on the roof of this building

 

[TopGun786]

Le Indians whenever the topic of 29 Feb 2019 is discussed on PDF

 

[VkdIndian]

Explosions can be heard miles away. So you mean IAF bombs were dropped by pinpoint accuracy on some trees some 40 kilometers away? The problem is 95% of Indian ''bois'' of IAF accept whatever dung Godi media puts in their minds. There must be some sort of logic behind every narrative. Different claims from different media sources of India.
First, they said they had completely blown up a Pakistani terrorist camp and 400 dead bodies were littered everywhere.
Then when no proof came they changed the narrative a bit and said the camp was completely destroyed but Pakistan hide all the 400 dead bodies.
Again when international media saw the place by satellite and no damage and asked for proof they said ''actually we used smart bombs....which were so smart that buildings are still standing from the outside but completely destroyed from the inside. You can see small holes in the roofs of buildings. What a load of bull shit !!!!!!!!!!!!
Meanwhile, in all this confusion their PM came forward and introduced the whole world to Cloud and radar Theory..... things did not stop there and kept going.
The truth is the more Indian dig into this matter, the more they are exposed and the more they are humiliated.

Please don’t sidetrack. Earlier you claimed Al Jazeera was at the site. When I posted the proof that it wasn’t, you changed the track. Please stand by your narrative. First accept that Al Jazzera was not at the site.

Western satellites? Why rely on them when you had the chance to prove Indian lie by physical verification? Verification, that wasn’t felt necessary immediately since western satellites are so good. What happened after two months that necessitated a visit. Was satellite proof stale by then?
Al Jazeera clearly says that there were Mujaheddins at that site as confirmed by locals. Pakistan needed to remove all the proof of that. It took two months.

Le Indians whenever the topic of 29 Feb 2019 is discussed on PDF

Posting irrelevant pics wouldn’t make your argument.

 

[TopGun786]

You guys took them to wrong place. The IAF has confirmed that the main target of the IAF’s raid was the Trainee Accommodation (Mujahid hostel) located at Latitude North 34 deg, 27 min, 53 sec, and Longitude East, 73 deg, 19 min, 04 sec; at the north edge of the camp. 3 Spice 2000 bombs landed precisely within 3 m CEP at 0330H on 26 February on the roof of this building

Yes, and Pakistan grew a whole forest over there within 2 hours so it was never confirmed by satellites. You people knew the truth but still try to pretend you don't know. Closing eyes like a pigeon does not make sense, but again sense is something rare in Bakhats.

 

[Tornado23]

Were you sitting on the side of the runway in a foldable chair, counting how many missiles were hooked up to a MIG-21 pylon's?

Don't worry he personally attached the missiles to each pylon including the centre line pylon which is only used for drop tanks. He gave abhinandan mig 21 a very speshul and personal upgrade in that only his can carry a 5th missile on the centre line pylon. Wah g wah

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Yes, and Pakistan grew a whole forest over there within 2 hours so it was never confirmed by satellites. You people knew the truth but still try to pretend you don't know. Closing eyes like a pigeon does not make sense, but again sense is something rare in Bakhats.

For a reason they are called the Ehl-i Jahiliyat....

 

[White privilege]

When I see these assholes from across the border acting shitty here on PDF, I totally understand why Hassan Siddiqui decided to smack that huge *** MKI on his own....

 

[Trango Towers]

When I see these assholes from across the border acting shitty here on PDF, I totally understand why Hassan Siddiqui decided to smack that huge *** MKI on his own....

I wish the senior commanders had given the go ahead to take out all the extras in the air. Then the Indians would have been silent for at least a decade

 

[alikazmi007]

One interesting aspect of it is how the IAF’s two Su-30MKIs dueled with eight PAF F-16s during the conflict. The North group of 4 F-16s engaged our Flankers, which fired 3 AIM-120C AMRAAM BVR missiles. All the missiles missed their mark. The Sukhois pushed them back, while also picking up another group of 4 F-16s and multiple inbound strike aircraft from the Southern formation. This in essence meant that the Avengers were heavily outgunned by the PAF formation carrying more advanced American BVR missiles, and in sheer numbers. A fourth AMRAAM was fired by the South Group.

By advanced mapping, it could be deduced that by that time the Su-30MKI jets were just 25-30 kilometers away from the North Group jets. This fourth AMRAAM was also evaded by the Sukhois.

IAF Flankers, instead of retreating, counterattacked in a bold move against the F-16s ignoring the high-density BVR threat from the F-16s, in all probability breaching the AMRAAM MAR to press home the R27/77 attack 25-30 km from lead PAF jets in the North Group.

This meant that the things turned out to be the other way for the PAF, the Su-30s instead of returning dashed on to the F-16s to make them come under the R-27/77 missile range. This is because the Su-30MKIs were not carrying long-range BVR missiles, and had medium-range missiles, whose range problem had to be mitigated by bringing F-16s closer. The lead North Group F-16 fighters, instead of attacking the incoming Sukhoi, went ‘COLD’ prematurely.

That is the reason for the 10 out of 12 Pakistani bombs falling well out of the range of their intended targets was because of this unexpected counterattack by the IAF fighters