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70 jf 17s have been delivered to PAF. A few more are being built for export. Yet, you are still indulging yourself with Indian preferred terms like IOC and FOC.

IOC and FOC are standard terms used in all industries world wide. If chinese manufactures follow different terminology or methodology I would like to know. Any public notification regarding something analogous to IOC or FOC in pakistani or chinese media, would be what I am seeking. Just like certification process for your C919 is all over Internet and news agencies or how your amphibious aircraft is under going certification.

You might consider it trolling but I am genuinely ignorant about it and I would like to be enlightened on the same.

70 jf 17s have been delivered to PAF

There are 10+ Tejas prototypes available to IAF and 4 Tejas in IOC configuration, doesn't mean they meet all parameters required of them. If Tejas fails to acquire FOC, they all will be junked. Operating an aircraft does not necessarily means fully certified.
 
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IOC and FOC are standard terms used in all industries world wide. If chinese manufactures follow different terminology or methodology I would like to know. Any public notification regarding something analogous to IOC or FOC in pakistani or chinese media, would be what I am seeking. Just like certification process for your C919 is all over Internet and news agencies or how your amphibious aircraft is under going certification.

You might consider it trolling but I am genuinely ignorant about it and I would like to be enlightened on the same.



There are 10+ Tejas prototypes available to IAF and 4 Tejas in IOC configuration, doesn't mean they meet all parameters required of them. If Tejas fails to acquire FOC, they all will be junked. Operating an aircraft does not necessarily means fully certified.
You are mixing military aircraft with commercial aircraft.

Operating a military aircraft has nothing to do with certification on foreign terms. You can call 70 JF17s anything you like, either IOC or no certification at all. Nobody cares. Heck, there are also 400+ J-10s in China that have no IOC/FOC certifications if you wish to extend IOC/FOC labeling.
 
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Is it just me or does the intake have a curve? :woot:
 
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http://m.indiatoday.in/story/indo-r...raft-programme-indian-air-force/1/959013.html


So after 10 years and 300million usd spent just for the preliminary design phase, the FGFA project is finally doomed to the gallows? To think of all that recent bharati fanfare over the years and photobombing of the T-50 in the forums, along with all that much-hyped noise about investing 6.7billion for developing the plane

Talk only, no action.

This is the Indian way of doing things. Those few that does get done- is done according to the 'Indian Schedule'. How do such ppl ever become a superpower like how they openly-profess to be?

Reading indian defence, R&D and economic development news is like reading a supermarket tabloid magazine.

Hahahaha.



PS* just backtrack n read through pages in this thread alone n u will realise what a comical journey this FGFA development has undertaken. Despite all tt chest-thumping, loud groans n aggressive-posturing over the years, zero results were delivered.
 
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This is typical ok....it's always in planning and testing stage. To be done, can be done, shall be done
 
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Steep price rise hits Indo-Russian 5th-gen fighter project
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi, May 24, 2017 (Photo Credit: Kirill Kudryavtsev/AFP via Getty Images)

NEW DELHI — Just when its production was about to take off, the Indo-Russian fifth-generation fighter aircraft appears to be "lost" because Russians are demanding an "unaffordable price for the aircraft," according to a senior Indian Air Force official.

The Russians are demanding more than $7 billion as part of India's share in the development of the FGFA. The Russian side argues that the higher price is justified because the aircraft's development will include transfer of technology of several high-tech systems.

"India is not in a position to pay this kind of money, and the aircraft project appears to be lost " the official said.

The Indian version of the FGFA, known as the Perspective Multi-role Fighter, is being jointly designed and developed by India and Russia. State-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited from the Indian side and Rosoboronexport from Russia are the designated lead agencies.

India and Russia agreed to jointly build the FGFA in 2007 and signed an initial development agreement in 2010. The final agreement, which has not yet been inked, will release India's share of development cost for the FGFA project.

In early 2016, an internal report by the Indian Air Force listed several drawbacks of the proposed FGFA with Russia, including the engine, stealth capabilities and an expensive radar.

According to the report, there are about 40 parameters related to the aircraft that require improvement, which the Air Force had wanted the Russians to meet. These include better stealth, AESA radar, advanced sensors, networking and combat avionics, and supercruise.

After the Air Force report, Ministry of Defence officials here were quick to say that despite the shortcomings, solutions are being worked out and the FGFA project is on track.

The FGFA has a potential order by the Indian Air Force worth more than $25 billion.

The service has a requirement for 120-130 swing-role planes with stealth features for increased survivability, advanced avionics, smart weapons, top-end mission computers and 360-degree situational awareness. The ability to supercruise or sustain supersonic speeds in combat configuration without kicking in fuel-guzzling afterburners is a key Indian requirement, according to another Indian Air Force official.

The Russian side is moving ahead with its FGFA version known as T-50. The first flight of a T-50 took place in 2010, and induction is scheduled this year. Russia announced it will fly the T-50 with an advanced engine, giving it Mach 1.5 supercruise, by 2020.

The Russians are developing the FGFA in response to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning aircraft.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/steep-price-rise-hits-indo-russian-5th-gen-fighter-project
 
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Russia has asked India pay 7 billions for TOT, which means the FGFA project is substantially dead.
 
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