trident2010
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Can't understand why so much delay with internal weapons bay. Waiting for new set of weapons tailored made for T-50?
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Can't understand why so much delay with internal weapons bay. Waiting for new set of weapons tailored made for T-50?
Only because we haven't seen them, doesn't mean they weren't done yet. Till the recent pics with external payloads came out, we only had seen pics with external pylons, which doesn't mean they wouldn't had made weapon trials earlier. Internal carriage and weapon trials obviously are not that visible and would require official pics to be released.
Wrt the weapon pack, I would be more interested in what weapon pack IAF aims for FGFA. It is crucial for us to have an own operational requirement and chose weapons that not only fit to the weapon bays, but also fits to those requirements. So we should only choose those Russain weapons that are good for us and not just everything that is available, just like we shouldn't take any Indian weapon, only because it's Indian.
Weapon bay .. whats in the weapon bay ?
When will it open its weapon bay ???
Yes thats true that they might have done it already but not showing it in open. For external pylons, IAF will have many options but for an internal weapons bay, it is advisible to go with what Russia is offering and later develop/codevelop the weapons require as we get more insight into FGFA capabilities and requirments.
The amount of money and time F-35 is taking to shape up is much higher than T-50. I won't be surprised if it is currently more advanced among the two. However, in coming years I am sure Russia will narrow the gap and hopefully come up with a very potent 5th gen fighter.
I won't be surprised if it is currently more advanced among the two.
I would be surprised, because spending more doesn't make it more capable! Remember this capability comparison of the EF consortium?
And I added the Pak Fa / FGFA once to the comparison too:
People simply tend to downplay the Pak Fa compared to the F35 based on the bias, that the US have more experience with stealth and that their shapings therefor must be the only solution. But when you actually look at what it takes to be a 5th gen fighter and compare the F35 with it, you will see that it falls short in many areas and even in stealth compared to the better designed F22, which is why several US allies wanted the F22 instead of the F35 and complained about the stealth capability.
Even if you compare the fighter to US definitions of a 5th gen fighter, it clearly fulfills all criterias:
Dominant situational awareness - long range, high FoV AESA (fixed) radar, 360° electro optical sensor capability, RWR, LWR, dedicated IRST - CHECK, equal or even superior to US counterparts!
Net enabled - data link and SATCOM guidance planned from the start - CHECK!
Designed in stealth - aligned edges, angled airframe design, embedded antennas, internal store carriage - CHECK, except for the engine coverings and the nozzles of the current engine, which as we know are a stop gap solution for Russian forces and make it design wise more comparable to the F35 shapings.
Tech insertation => embedded antennas - CHECK!
Full line of sight blockage - partially so far, due to design of the inlets and positioning of the engine, while the final solution for the NG engine is still to come and most likely includes a radar blocker, similar to Boeing or Mitsubishi stealth fighter projects.
So except for the areas that are aimed for the later Pak Fa and the FGFA, it already not only fits the bill, but sets new benchmarks in this generation. The but as long as people keep looking at the engines and keep ignoring all the other capabilities and the performances it already shows in the T50 prototype stage, we will keep hearing silly things.
Thanks for reply. Few senior Pakistani members are trying hard to disregard the achievements of T-50. I am sure all these things are already mentioned elsewhere but what one can do..