Su 30 MKI crashes in Western India

[NKVD]

Would you like some tea at Lahore gymkhana? I hear they are still waiting for Indians to arrive

We reached 11 km at dograi village while ceasfire called lahore was within reach of our artillery barrage

Perhaps? We master out machines

Ok so you won't need US spares ??? In war think before typing

 

[Director General]

We all know how the IAF pilots hit the ejection button at the first sign of an emergency and end up crashing their aircraft either on some motorcyclist or as today on someones house.
And unlike you Tejas, the JF-17 never had to be dragged on a trailer.

So you admit PAF pilots do not even how properly evacuate from a aircraft.
Also unlike JF-17, Tejas never crashed in middle of sea.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Go through facts of 71 enough to nip your butt

We know how a Pakistani word has relevance of world community today

Nip that bud where the sun dont shine, sunshine!

Even in 71, the kill ratio over IAF was maintiained 3:1, and I dont even want to bring 65, where your pilots have the distinction of losing a world record number of jets in a single dogfight, a record which to this day, still holds.

Lol world community? what is your world? the local slum?

 

[Windjammer]

Sukhoi, Chetak crashes bring to forefront serviceability, upgradation issues
Rajat Pandit| TNN | Updated: Mar 15, 2017, 10.23 PM IST

NEW DELHI: With a frontline Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet and a Chetak helicopter crashing in different parts of the country on Wednesday, the IAF continues to record an alarmingly high crash rate. Fortunately, the pilots in both the crashes managed to escape safely.

The armed forces have lost over 60 aircraft and helicopters in crashes, which have killed over 80 people, just since 2011. With the two primary reasons being technical defects and human error, the combination of ageing machines, inadequate training to rookie pilots, shoddy maintenance and poor quality of spares continues to be a deadly mix and exact a heavy toll.

Though military aviation is inherently dangerous in nature, with pilots practising bombing and low-level flying missions or helping in risky rescue operations, the crash rate seems unacceptably high. There have been well over 1,300 crashes of fighters, aircraft and helicopters recorded in the armed forces since 1970.

On Wednesday, the Chetak helicopter developed engine failure on a routine sortie from the Bamrauli airfield near Allahabad at around 7 am. "The two pilots tried to land on an uneven field nearby but the helicopter toppled over," said an officer.

Seven hours later, the Sukhoi-30MKI took off on a training sortie from the forward Utarlai airbase, in Barmer area of Rajasthan, but it also developed a technical snag soon after. The two pilots then went in for "a planned ejection" to parachute down safely at about 2.15 pm, but three villagers were left injured on the ground.

While the armed forces are still forced to fly the ageing single-engine Cheetah/Chetak helicopters due to failure of successive governments to take timely decisions, the crash of the twin-seat Sukhoi "air dominance" fighter is more worrisome.

IAF has now lost at least seven of the 240 Sukhoi-30MKI jets it has inducted till now. In all, India has contracted 272 Sukhois from Russia for over $12 billion, with the bulk of them being "produced under licence" by Hindustan Aeronautics.


The Sukhoi fleet is now likely to be grounded for systematic precautionary checks before they can take to the skies again, like it happened after crashes in April 2009 and December 2011. Last year, then defence minister Manohar Parrikar had admitted to problems with the Sukhois, citing 69 incidents of technical glitches mainly revolving around the engines in the previous three years, as was reported by TOI.
There are still persisting doubts over serviceability of the Sukhoi fleet due to engine problems, shoddy maintenance, poor availability and management of spares, though the government now says it has improved to over 60% now from the earlier 52%.


The technical problems dogging the Sukhoi fleet need to be urgently resolved because the fighters are critical for maintaining effective deterrence against both China and Pakistan, especially since IAF is down to just 33 fighter squadrons when 44 are required.

 

[Trango Towers]

We reached 11 km at dograi village while ceasfire called lahore was within reach of our artillery barrage

Yes and you drank tea and biscuits.....facts they don't tell you. PAF wooped your advance and when the army arrived you were burning and bleeding. Look at the size of your military. We should have been hammered but as Elton John said

I'm still standing

Ok so you won't need US spares ??? In war think before typing

I did think and spares are catered for. Enough to take care of your boys. Come get a sidewinder or two

 

[Trango Towers]

Sukhoi, Chetak crashes bring to forefront serviceability, upgradation issues
Rajat Pandit| TNN | Updated: Mar 15, 2017, 10.23 PM IST

NEW DELHI: With a frontline Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet and a Chetak helicopter crashing in different parts of the country on Wednesday, the IAF continues to record an alarmingly high crash rate. Fortunately, the pilots in both the crashes managed to escape safely.

The armed forces have lost over 60 aircraft and helicopters in crashes, which have killed over 80 people, just since 2011. With the two primary reasons being technical defects and human error, the combination of ageing machines, inadequate training to rookie pilots, shoddy maintenance and poor quality of spares continues to be a deadly mix and exact a heavy toll.

Though military aviation is inherently dangerous in nature, with pilots practising bombing and low-level flying missions or helping in risky rescue operations, the crash rate seems unacceptably high. There have been well over 1,300 crashes of fighters, aircraft and helicopters recorded in the armed forces since 1970.

On Wednesday, the Chetak helicopter developed engine failure on a routine sortie from the Bamrauli airfield near Allahabad at around 7 am. "The two pilots tried to land on an uneven field nearby but the helicopter toppled over," said an officer.

Seven hours later, the Sukhoi-30MKI took off on a training sortie from the forward Utarlai airbase, in Barmer area of Rajasthan, but it also developed a technical snag soon after. The two pilots then went in for "a planned ejection" to parachute down safely at about 2.15 pm, but three villagers were left injured on the ground.

While the armed forces are still forced to fly the ageing single-engine Cheetah/Chetak helicopters due to failure of successive governments to take timely decisions, the crash of the twin-seat Sukhoi "air dominance" fighter is more worrisome.

IAF has now lost at least seven of the 240 Sukhoi-30MKI jets it has inducted till now. In all, India has contracted 272 Sukhois from Russia for over $12 billion, with the bulk of them being "produced under licence" by Hindustan Aeronautics.


The Sukhoi fleet is now likely to be grounded for systematic precautionary checks before they can take to the skies again, like it happened after crashes in April 2009 and December 2011. Last year, then defence minister Manohar Parrikar had admitted to problems with the Sukhois, citing 69 incidents of technical glitches mainly revolving around the engines in the previous three years, as was reported by TOI.
There are still persisting doubts over serviceability of the Sukhoi fleet due to engine problems, shoddy maintenance, poor availability and management of spares, though the government now says it has improved to over 60% now from the earlier 52%.


The technical problems dogging the Sukhoi fleet need to be urgently resolved because the fighters are critical for maintaining effective deterrence against both China and Pakistan, especially since IAF is down to just 33 fighter squadrons when 44 are required.

The armed forces have lost over 60 aircraft and helicopters in crashes, which have killed over 80 people, just since 2011. With the two primary reasons being technical defects and human error, the combination of ageing machines, inadequate training to rookie pilots, shoddy maintenance and poor quality of spares continues to be a deadly mix and exact a heavy toll.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Sukhoi, Chetak crashes bring to forefront serviceability, upgradation issues
Rajat Pandit| TNN | Updated: Mar 15, 2017, 10.23 PM IST

NEW DELHI: With a frontline Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jet and a Chetak helicopter crashing in different parts of the country on Wednesday, the IAF continues to record an alarmingly high crash rate. Fortunately, the pilots in both the crashes managed to escape safely.

The armed forces have lost over 60 aircraft and helicopters in crashes, which have killed over 80 people, just since 2011. With the two primary reasons being technical defects and human error, the combination of ageing machines, inadequate training to rookie pilots, shoddy maintenance and poor quality of spares continues to be a deadly mix and exact a heavy toll.

Though military aviation is inherently dangerous in nature, with pilots practising bombing and low-level flying missions or helping in risky rescue operations, the crash rate seems unacceptably high. There have been well over 1,300 crashes of fighters, aircraft and helicopters recorded in the armed forces since 1970.

On Wednesday, the Chetak helicopter developed engine failure on a routine sortie from the Bamrauli airfield near Allahabad at around 7 am. "The two pilots tried to land on an uneven field nearby but the helicopter toppled over," said an officer.

Seven hours later, the Sukhoi-30MKI took off on a training sortie from the forward Utarlai airbase, in Barmer area of Rajasthan, but it also developed a technical snag soon after. The two pilots then went in for "a planned ejection" to parachute down safely at about 2.15 pm, but three villagers were left injured on the ground.

While the armed forces are still forced to fly the ageing single-engine Cheetah/Chetak helicopters due to failure of successive governments to take timely decisions, the crash of the twin-seat Sukhoi "air dominance" fighter is more worrisome.

IAF has now lost at least seven of the 240 Sukhoi-30MKI jets it has inducted till now. In all, India has contracted 272 Sukhois from Russia for over $12 billion, with the bulk of them being "produced under licence" by Hindustan Aeronautics.


The Sukhoi fleet is now likely to be grounded for systematic precautionary checks before they can take to the skies again, like it happened after crashes in April 2009 and December 2011. Last year, then defence minister Manohar Parrikar had admitted to problems with the Sukhois, citing 69 incidents of technical glitches mainly revolving around the engines in the previous three years, as was reported by TOI.
There are still persisting doubts over serviceability of the Sukhoi fleet due to engine problems, shoddy maintenance, poor availability and management of spares, though the government now says it has improved to over 60% now from the earlier 52%.


The technical problems dogging the Sukhoi fleet need to be urgently resolved because the fighters are critical for maintaining effective deterrence against both China and Pakistan, especially since IAF is down to just 33 fighter squadrons when 44 are required.

When it rains, it pours. Double whammy.

 

[NKVD]

Nip that bud where the sun dont shine, sunshine!

Even in 71, the kill ratio over IAF was maintiained 3:1, and I dont even want to bring 65, where your pilots have the distinction of losing a world record number of jets in a single dogfight, a record which to this day, still holds.

Lol world community? what is your world? the local slum?

Bull shit

Check neutral assessment

Iaf lost 45 in comparison of PAF 75 in 13 days war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

 

[Damon Salvatore]

Well we should put these things Stricly in front of Russians this year while making agreement on Spares

lolzzzzzz.... yes and also cry before them and by them i meant "Russians" haha

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Bull shit

Check neutral assessment

Iaf lost 45 in comparison of PAF 75 in 13 days war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

HA, wikipedia is your "neutral source"?

You know who Chuck yeager is. This is what he has to say about air war of 1971.

"War broke out only a couple of months after we had arrived, in late November 1971, when India attacked East Pakistan. The battle lasted only three days before East Pakistan fell. India's intention was to annex East Pakistan and claim it for themselves. But the Pakistanis counter-attacked. Air Marshal Rahim Khan laid a strike on the four closest Indian air fields in the western part of India, and wiped out a lot of equipment. At that point, Indira Gandhi began moving her forces toward West Pakistan. China moved in a lot of equipment, while Russia backed the Indians all the way. So, it really became a kind of surrogate war - the Pakistanis, with U.S. training and equipment, versus the Indians, mostly Russian-trained, flying Soviet airplanes.
The Pakistanis whipped their [Indians'] asses in the sky.
The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks on Pakistani soil, documented them by serial number, identified the components such as engines, rocket
pods, and new equipment on newer planes like the Soviet SU-7
fighter-bomber and the MiG-21 J, their latest supersonic fighter"


Now chock on it and swallow!

 

[Jugger]

Pilots are safe and that's what matters, fighters can be bought outright but a trained pilot is a rare commodity.

These fighters are the work horse of the IAF, it is flown so much that we should be ready for 1 crash every year.

 

[Windjammer]

Ratio was 45 IAF to 75 PAF after the end of 13 day war in 1971 according to neutral assessments

So you admit that your PAF was so impotent that its only watch as mute spectators

While IAF roasting your ground troops

A famous raid on governor house in Dhaka
Where Gen Niazi himself hide below tables to safe his life possibly crying according to many witnessed that attack

Meanwhile in western theatre events like longewala is common sight

They say a picture is equal to a thousand words, if you had shot down even half the numbers claimed, you wouldn't need to display your own wreckage in Pakistani colours, the fact is there were some ten IAF squadrons in the Eastern sector and they couldn't destroy even one of the grounded Sabres.
This is you reality, you fool your own nation with propaganda and lies.

And this is the fact, IAF Sikh POW in a Pakistani camp, now add to them the majority Hindu and other minorities being held prisoners in other camps....gives you fair idea of how many IAF aircraft were shot down by the PAF....considering that most of the air battles took place over India so any IAF pilot ejecting over India would have missed the Pakistani hospitality.

Pakistan, Lyalpur camp, 12 April 1972, visit to Indian prisoners of war (POWs).
"Sikh pilots, now POWs, passed their time flying kites. Camp authorities forbade this activity. An "homme de confiance", also a POW, explains the visit of Red Cross delegates, emphasizing that he hopes the ICRC can negotiate on their behalf the return of the kites."

 

[Hindustani78]

A Su-30 fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force. File photo

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...t-to-safety/article17466482.ece?homepage=true

A Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force crashed near Barmer in Rajasthan on Wednesday. Both the pilots ejected safely.

An IAF official said the aircraft was on a routine training sortie when it crashed near the Utarlai air base in the afternoon. This is the seventh crash of a Su-30MKI aircraft since its induction in 1997.

Su-30MKI is the mainstay and the most modern fighter aircraft in the IAF inventory. India has contracted 272 Su-30MKIs from Russia of which over 230 have been inducted so far.

The last crash occurred in May 2015 near the Tezpur air base in Assam. Both pilots ejected safely. The crash was caused by a technical defect.

The entire fleet was grounded then as per procedure for safety checks.


PTI adds:

Three villagers injured

Narayan Ram, his daughter-in-law and grandson were injured in the crash. They have been admitted to the district hospital, Circle Officer Barmer O.P. Ujjwal said.

The incident occurred near Shivkar village in the Sadar police station area, ASP Rameshwar Lal told PTI.

“Villagers told us that the pilot ejected shortly before the crash. Air Force officials have been informed about the incident,” he said, adding that a hamlet was damaged in the crash.

 

[NKVD]

The armed forces have lost over 60 aircraft and helicopters in crashes, which have killed over 80 people, just since 2011. With the two primary reasons being technical defects and human error, the combination of ageing machines, inadequate training to rookie pilots, shoddy maintenance and poor quality of spares continues to be a deadly mix and exact a heavy toll.

Still our crash rate is pretty low than paf

They say a picture is equal to a thousand words, if you had shot down even half the numbers claimed, you wouldn't need to display your own wreckage in Pakistani colours, the fact is there were some ten IAF squadrons in the Eastern sector and they couldn't destroy even one of the grounded Sabres.
This is you reality, you fool your own nation with propaganda and lies.

And this is the fact, IAF Sikh POW in a Pakistani camp, now add to them the majority Hindu and other minorities being held prisoners in other camps....gives you fair idea of how many IAF aircraft were shot down by the PAF....considering that most of the air battles took place over India so any IAF pilot ejecting over India would have missed the Pakistani hospitality.

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Pakistan, Lyalpur camp, 12 April 1972, visit to Indian prisoners of war (POWs).
"Sikh pilots, now POWs, passed their time flying kites. Camp authorities forbade this activity. An "homme de confiance", also a POW, explains the visit of Red Cross delegates, emphasizing that he hopes the ICRC can negotiate on their behalf the return of the kites."

Don't worry i won't post videos of MiGs bombing dhaka unchallenged

Do you know how many airforce officers were Pow in 1971 over 883 along with there commanding officer

 

[Hindustani78]

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nati...ars-human-error-tech-defect-main-reasons.html

New Delhi: As many as 22 fighter aircraft of Indian Air Force have crashed since 2013-14 and human error and technical defects were the main reasons for the accidents, government has informed Rajya Sabha.

The details were given by Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre in a written reply yesterday. Meanwhile, a Sukhoi aircraft of the IAF crashed in Rajasthan's Barmer district today, leaving three villagers injured. Both the pilots ejected safely.

A Chetak helicopter of the IAF too crash landed in Kaushambi in Uttar Pradesh on Wednesday minutes after it took off from an airbase on outskirts of Allahabad.

The Minister, in his reply to a query in the Upper House, said in the current year, five fighter jets have crashed against four in 2015-16.

He said seven jets had crashed in 2014-15 while the number was six in 2013-14.

"Main reasons for these accidents were human error and technical defect," the Minister said.

Bhamre said every accident is throughly investigated by a Court of Inquiry (CoI) to ascertain cause of the accident and recommendations of the CoI are implemented.

To a separate question, he identified operational hazards, weather conditions, human error and technical defects for accidents of Cheetah helicopters.

Since 2013-14, there have been four accidents involving Cheetah helicopters in which there were seven fatalities.