Su 30 MKI crashes in Western India

[kṣamā]

It's time for our friends across the border to rejoice and celebrate. This crash vindicates there claims that a cost efficient fighter is better than a purpose built air dominance fighter. A lousy track record of 7 crashes in 15years is the proof of that.

As someone rightly said above, fanboys will drag every component on MKI in ever discussion out of inferiority complex. But for the comparison we are to believe few "professionals" words. Plus how can we forget 1 PAF pilots > 10 Vegi Indians. The DSI alone on the majestic alone will shoot down 12 MKIs... Who cares if the adversaries have numerical and quality advantage, who cares if the adversary can "see & shoot" first, who cares if a single adversary can carry almost twice the payload or send out targeting data to other low flying birds or use its mammoth radar to blind others, MKI do not stand a chance infront of those next generation Fighters...

 

[TopCat]

Have you got empirical evidence to back this rhetoric up? What is the sortie generation rate in Syria? What is the flight hour-down time ratio?

Russians deployed their carrier to Syria and lost 2 fighters in 2 weeks.

That was related to carrier operation and landing, and irrelevant for this case.
Not even a single soviet era SU-25 or SU-24 crashed. And number of sorties??? You gotta be kidding.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Not even a single soviet era SU-25 or SU-24 crashed. And number of sorties??? You gotta be kidding.

Again, without providing objective empirical metrics it's pointless to bring this up, how can you compare apples with oranges?

One more Mki down , one more month added to Jobs of HAL employees which anyhow stand still by 2019.

Nasik will be kept churning until 2024-5 and eventually 330-340 MKIs will be in service just to keep the line going until FGFA enters production (2026ish).

 

[The Eagle]

Pilots are safe, is a good news that machine can be replaced not the Human.

Side-Note: No further off-topic/trolling or offensive posts. Thanks

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Why indian su-30 crashes more then Russian Su-30 ?

 

[NKVD]

PAF has been raised to defend the aerial frontiers of Pakistan. PAF kill ratio against IAF speaks for itself, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to know the numbers. But hey who I am to argue, maybe the vedic system of numbering is different to the ones followed by the rest of the world. Funny you bought USAF in this discussion as if they are a PAF adversary and brought OBL into this. Have to give you 10/10 on your ingenuity.

No one buying your ancient figures and kill ratio of

IAF and PAF ratio is almost equal in one war it goes to PAF in other it goes to india

 

[Taimoor Khan]

And a few other less publicised experiences the JF-17 gained over the period.

Do you know the details of this head to head?

No one buying your ancient figures and kill ratio of

IAF and PAF ratio is almost equal in one war it goes to PAF in other it goes to india

Whole world buys it, but of course eastern trolls will have difficulty swallowing the facts.

 

[Windjammer]

Actually it is you guys who are the laughing stock.

As per data from aviation-safety.net & ejection.co.uk, since January 2012 till today there have 27 crashes of IAF fighter jets whereas PAF has seen 20 fighter jet crashes i.e. a ratio of 1.35:1.
Now taking into consideration the fact the IAF is 1.8 to 2.0x the size of PAF, PAFs crash rate is significantly worse than IAF's.

In helicopter department too, January 2012 onwards Indian military saw 13 write offs & 5 damaged whereas Pakistan whose helo fleet despite being atleast 1.8x smaller saw 9 write offs & 5 damaged in same period i.e. a crash ratio of 1.44:1 which means in this department too, Pakistan crash rate is much worse.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?Country=AP

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?Country=VT

@Windjammer @Salman Zahidi @Taimoor Khan

Now let me beat you with your own stick.
Elsewhere you were mouthing off that PAF is being used to bomb the militants something the IAF never does, well sunny boy, to carry out such missions, you fly more sorties meaning more flying hours, more stress on engine and air frame, when was the last time, the IAF fired in anger or did anything more than a simple vertical Charlie to thrill the Indian crowds on Republic Day.
Can you even come close to maintaining a similar flight safety record.
And remember unlike most of your fleet, F-16 is a single engine jet.
Pakistani F-16s reach 100,000 accident free flight hours
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1468.html

 

[Windjammer]

Go through facts of 71 enough to nip your butt

We know how a Pakistani word has relevance of word community today

The only time the IAF managed to deliver was during Kargil conflict, for the only reason that it carried out operations within own territory, without any air opposition and by carrying out strikes over a limited area well marked on the Indian army maps.....as for 1971, if the picture of IAF POWs in Pakistani camps is enough to put a lid on Indian claims.

Yeah Pakistani F-16 operational rate is even better OEM itself

Sums how hollow its is in reality

The plaque presented by P&W is enough to rain on your parade.
And since you are having trouble digesting this, where as you have lost 7 SU-30s in 15 years of service, PAF lost 8 F-16s in over 30 years of operations....including almost a decade of combat against Afghan/Soviet aircraft.

 

[NKVD]

The only time the IAF managed to deliver was during Kargil conflict, for the only reason that it carried out operations within own territory, without any air opposition and by carrying out strikes over a limited area well marked on the Indian army maps.....as for 1971, if the picture of IAF POWs in Pakistani camps is enough to put a lid on Indian claims.

Check out neutral ones

Come one IAF Migs already bombed
Every airport base in Eastern theatre

There famous letter of PAF pilots crying
After IAF bombed there base in Eastern pakistaN showing there impotence

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Pakistan_Air_Operations,_1971

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Boyra

 

[Windjammer]

Check out neutral ones

Come one IAF Migs already bombed
Every airport base in Eastern theatre

There famous letter of PAF pilots crying
After IAF bombed there base in Eastern pakistaN showing there impotence

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Pakistan_Air_Operations,_1971

First have the ability to understand the ratio.....ten IAF squadrons of MiG-21s, SU-7s, Gnats and Hunters against a single PAF F-86 unit, still you lost 11 aircraft in combat and 17 to ground fire with PAF losing five. it took ten IAF squadron to defeat one PAF unit and only by bombing the runway.

Yeah off course Poor PAF is stressed by once a week sortie against rag tag tribals.

The fact not only are your crash rate higher but also PAF faced more fatalities in these crashes.

Also every knows how lame the manuvers by JF-17s in air shows are.

We all know how the IAF pilots hit the ejection button at the first sign of an emergency and end up crashing their aircraft either on some motorcyclist or as today on someones house.
And unlike you Tejas, the JF-17 never had to be dragged on a trailer.

 

[NKVD]

First have the ability to understand the ratio.....ten IAF squadrons of MiG-21s, SU-7s, Gnats and Hunters against a single PAF F-86 unit, still you lost 11 aircraft in combat and 17 to ground fire with PAF losing five. it took ten IAF squadron to defeat one PAF unit and only by bombing the runw

Ratio was 45 IAF to 75 PAF after the end of 13 day war in 1971 according to neutral assessments

So you admit that your PAF was so impotent that its only watch as mute spectators

While IAF roasting your ground troops

A famous raid on governor house in Dhaka
Where Gen Niazi himself hide below tables to safe his life possibly crying according to many witnessed that attack

Meanwhile in western theatre events like longewala is common sight

 

[Trango Towers]

Well we should put these things Stricly in front of Russians this year while making agreement on Spares

Are you going to put your pilots in front of the Russians as well as your grounds men. Russians don't crash like you do. They will just ask you to learn to fly and stay in the air

 

[NKVD]

Are you going to put your pilots in front of the Russians as well as your grounds men. Russians don't crash like you do. They will just ask you to learn to fly and stay in the air

Eurofighter and rafale has same crash rate as MKI

Even USAF Vipers had bad records
Perhaps PAF operate F-16 better than ita makers

 

[Trango Towers]

Ratio was 45 IAF to 75 PAF after the end of 13 day war in 1971 according to neutral assessments

So you admit that your PAF was so impotent that its only watch as mute spectators

While IAF roasting your ground troops

A famous raid on governor house in Dhaka
Where Gen Niazi himself hide below tables to safe his life possibly crying according to many witnessed that attack

Meanwhile in western theatre events like longewala is common sight

Would you like some tea at Lahore gymkhana? I hear they are still waiting for Indians to arrive

Eurofighter and rafale has same crash rate as MKI

Even USAF Vipers had bad records
Perhaps PAF operate F-16 better than ita makers

Perhaps? We master out machines