South China Sea Forum

[Zero_wing]

And yet youcant in bring this to ITCLOS so that negates your whole argument

 

[Cossack25A1]

Another post that talks the past... again.

So I guess China loves living in the past and would try to re-introduce old concepts to the present world. I suspect that once they claim the First and Second Island Chains, they expect tributaries and kowtow to them or China will nuke her neighbors if they don't comply.

Man this is a good setting for a rebellion!

 

[ahojunk]

A bit of nostalgia. Pictures of Meiji (Mischief) Reef in the South location taken in April 2014.

Another view of the south location, I believe this was taken in 2013.

After the reclamation, it would look quite different.

If you have newer pictures, please post.
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[dichoi]

Huangyan Island/Scarborough Shoal has always been Chinese

• 2000 years ago, during China’s Qin and Han Dynasties, China first found and named Huangyan Island.

• In 1279, Chinese astronomer Guo Shoujing established 27 observatory stations and Huangyan Island was home to one of them.

• In the 15th century, Zheng He’s navigation map pointed out the location of Huangyan Island.

• In 1947, a map drawn up by China’s Interior Ministry meant China had already started to manage Huangyan Island.

• In 1930 and 1960, Huangyan Island was not included in the Philippines’ Constitution and Territorial Baseline Law.
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Citation: China Holds Undisputed Sovereignty over Huangyan Island - CNTV English Special Report

here is china ancient map.

 

[ahojunk]

Image of Fiery Cross (Yongshu) Island taken on 14 Feb 2015.
There is significant progress, now reclamation is almost complete.
We should be seeing buildings soon.
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[ahojunk]

Subi Island in the making

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I found a bigger and clearer picture of Subi dated 6 Feb 2015.

 

[cirr]

Meijidao（Mischief Island）on 17.02.2015

Land reclamations underway at three locations simultaneously。

 

[ahojunk]

Picture of Nanxun (Gaven) taken around April 2014, before the start of reclamation.

 

[IamVietnamese]

• In April 2014, Angela Merkel gifted to China an ancient map of China, drawn by the famous mapmaker Jean Baptiste Bourguignon d'Anville in the 18th century. The map shown that China's limit is in Hainan.

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• In response to this map, Sohu.com posted a map of John Nicaragua Dower named "China and Japan" (1844) and some other maps to prove their country's border. However, the maps themselves didn't show any sign of Paracel Islands and stuffs.

读书频道地图-搜狐读书 (dead link)

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Kangxi's Full View Map (Hangyu Quan Lan Tu 康熙全覽圖) has been made for 10 years by the Jesuits under the order of Kangxi Emperor, which was completed in 1717. This map showed Hanan is China's southernmost point.

[转载]辛亥百年祭——中国人完全不了解的近代史（八）_大野一郎的博客_央视网博客_央视网

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The first map of Great Qing United Full Maps (Da qing yi tong quan tu 大清一統全圖) shows entire China without the Paracel & Spartly Islands.

Digital Collections - Maps - Da Qing yi tong quan tu [cartographic material]

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"Atlas of the Chinese Empire", a work of Edward Stanford in 1908, in partnership with Chinese Imperial Post Offices. Again, China's southernmost point is Hainan.

Atlas of the Chinese empire [microform] : containing separate maps of the eighteen provinces of China proper on the scale of 1:3,000,000 and of the four great dependencies on the scale of 1:7,500,000 together with an index to all the names on the maps and a list of all Protestant missions stations, &c. ; : Stanford, Edward, 1827-1904 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

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"Old Forces in New China", a work of George Lanning (principal of Shanghai public school) published at Shanghai, China in 1911, have an attached map that display natural resources of China. The map didn't show any sign of the South Sea islands.

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Many maps in the book "Geographie de’la Chine" of René Joüon S J published at Shanghai in 1931-1932 clearly shown that China never owns the Paracel & Spartly Islands.

 

[ahojunk]

Picture of Dongmen taken in April 2014.

 

[initial_d]

The chinese agressiveness in south china sea only bring tension and hostility toward china, south east asian nation began arming themself preparing for the worse and i believe this is a no win situation for china future if they wanted to be great power replacing the U.S, i hope the chinese realised this.

 

[ahojunk]

Picture of Huayang (Cuarteron), taken in April 2014.

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[Place Of Space]

The chinese agressiveness in south china sea only bring tension and hostility toward china, south east asian nation began arming themself preparing for the worse and i believe this is a no win situation for china future if they wanted to be great power replacing the U.S, i hope the chinese realised this.

Thanks, my same best wishes to Indians.

 

[initial_d]

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Thanks, my same best wishes to Indians.

i am an indonesian not indians, for us indonesia, china has become a threat when they play rough in south china sea, thats why we are starting building millitary base in south china sea natuna island, and new submarine base in palu strait,

 

[Place Of Space]

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i am an indonesian not indians, for us indonesia, china has become a threat when they play rough in south china sea, thats why we are starting building millitary base in south china sea natuna island, and new submarine base in palu strait,

Really? I am new member I saw the flag -ID, thought it's India.

In my opinion, not need to use it as excuse. Those nations need to change their mindset. To USA, China is a threat, because they donimated the area since defeat Spain in the Philippine. But how to say China is a threat to ASEAN nations?
Do you understand USA is a threat to Cuba, Panama? It's senseless, they can just accept the situation.