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BEIJING—Enforcement of China’s new regulation requiring foreign fishermen to obtain Beijing’s consent before operating in the disputed South China Sea will focus on waters close to China that are also claimed by Vietnam, an official said, potentially setting China on a collision course with Hanoi.

The regulation, which was enacted by China’s island province of Hainan on Jan. 1, is the latest effort by Beijing to bolster territorial claims and is adding to tensions over contested islets, freedom of navigation and rights to fisheries and other resources in a sea vital to world trade. The Philippines and Vietnam this week criticized the measure, as has the U.S. State Department which called it “provocative and potentially dangerous.”

In recent months, China has stepped up muscle-flexing over its territorial claims, declaring an air-control zone over the East China Sea that aggravated a dispute with Japan and challenged a fledgling thaw with South Korea. The latest moves in the South China Sea increases prospects for further standoffs with its southern neighbors.

Wu Shicun, a delegate to Hainan’s legislature and former head of the province’s foreign-affairs office, said in an interview Friday that the measure in principle applied to China’s entire territorial claim in the South China Sea, which extends to near the coasts of the Philippines and Malaysia.

In practice, however, Mr. Wu said that Chinese enforcement would focus on policing the waters near the Paracel Islands, just south of Hainan, and not farther away. Mr. Wu said punishments—including fines and seizing catches—would be strengthened against fishermen who entered the area without permission. He said Vietnam has been encouraging its fishermen to enter the area.

“The goal is to make them not dare to come back,” said Mr. Wu, who is also president of the National Institute for South China Sea Studies. “If you violate the rules, you will pay a high price.” He said the U.S. had grown too worked up about the new measure, which he said was aimed at better regulating the fishing industry.

China has exercised de facto control of the Paracels after ousting Vietnam in a naval battle in 1974 and has since built up a sizable government and military presence.

Hanoi hasn’t relinquished its claim. Luong Thanh Nghi, spokesman for Vietnam’s Foreign Ministry, reiterated Friday that Vietnam had “indisputable sovereignty” over the Paracels and Spratlys, another island group further to the south, claimed in part or full also by China, the Philippines and others. “Any foreign activities not approved by Vietnam in this area are illegal and invalid,” he said, in response to a media query.

Other South China Sea claimants include Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan. Verbal sparring and outright confrontations have been on the rise in recent years as a more powerful China asserts claims it has long made on paper and as other countries resist. In March, Vietnam accused China of firing upon a Vietnamese fishing boat operating near the Paracels. China’s Defense Ministry later said Chinese sailors fired two flares as a warning and had not attacked the Vietnamese.

On Friday, the Philippines Department of Foreign Affairs said it was “gravely concerned” by the new regulation. “This development escalates tensions, unnecessarily complicates the situation in the South China Sea, and threatens the peace and stability of the region,” the statement read.

Existing Chinese law requires foreign fishing vessels to obtain permission from China’s central government before operating in its territorial waters; the new Hainan regulation deals more directly with disputed South China Sea waters.

Further south from the Paracels, the waters around the disputed Spratly Islands, off the Philippine island of Palawan, offer rich fishing grounds. Disputed sections of the South China Sea may also be rich in energy reserves, including oil and gas. Mr. Wu said Filipino fishermen operating near the Spratlys wouldn’t be affected by the new measure.

Mr. Wu said the priority for enforcement is China’s territorial waters—the area that under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea extends up to 12 nautical miles from what is known as a country’s “baseline,” the low-water line along a coast from which countries measure territorial waters.

“The regulation only applies to territorial waters for which we have announced baselines, and those waters which we are practically able to control,” he said.

The U.S. has long said it doesn’t take sides in the territorial dispute, but that it supports any measures conducive to maintaining freedom of navigation. Mr. Wu said the new regulation posed no threat to freedom of navigation in the area.

Asked about the State Department’s criticism of the new regulation, a spokeswoman for China’s Foreign Ministry said Friday that China had the right to manage resources in its sovereign territory.

–Yang Jie in Beijing and Vu Trong Khanh in Hanoi contributed to this article.
China Sea Rules to Raise Tensions With Vietnam - Wall Street Journal - WSJ.com
 
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ha ha ha...and the next typhoon will swallow all of this. by the way, we have a new toy: a mini sub which will be deployed to observe other nations naval activities. Pls don´t laugh, it is just a beginning. VN is learning.

- 8.8 meters long and 3 meters wide
- displacement of 12 tonnes
- equipped with air independent propulsion (AIP) and other modern naval equipments
- operating radius of 800km, can dive to a depth of 50 meters and stay on the sea bed


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looks good.
Our folks 牛人 have a great competitor from VN!
Check these out

安徽牛人自制潜艇 -频道:新闻播吧-在线观看-PPS爱频道
Owner and inventor: Mr Zhang Junlin
Name of submarine: Shenlong 2
Max depth: 10M
Cost: ¥4~500K
Dimensions (LxWxH) meters: 15x 2x 2.8
Speed: 15 km/hour
Air conditioned and wireless internet equipped

Another one here:

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Mr 高广学 Gao Guangxue

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该艘自制潜艇艇长Length 6.38 M 米,宽 width 0.8 M米,高 height 1.2M 米,能同时容纳五个人乘坐 5 seaters,“一个人是驾驶员,其余四个人是乘客”。图为高广学驾驶潜艇在海面上急转弯。在试航中,潜艇完成了高速行驶、急转弯等多个动作,并多次下潜至 submerging depth in meters = 3米的设计最高水深。

Also this one:

牛人故事之农民达芬奇陶相礼三 终极版山寨潜水艇试潜成全程—在线播放—《牛人故事 2010》—综艺—优酷网,视频高清在线观看
+ this vid of the same model:
盘点农民自制山寨飞机赛车潜水艇 13—在线播放—《民间牛人》—资讯—优酷网,视频高清在线观看
 
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I love how all the little asian countries fight for the JEW USA's interests, just like their Al Qaeda little whores do.

I mean do you seriously believe that you gonna win something against China? Only JEW USA win something at the end as always

JEW USA will arm vietnamese or tibetans to parasite the chinese cities and attract chinese to fight for freedom, like they do in Syria

China must arm the mexican gangs to counter this option, otherwise it will be too late
 
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Is this a university project? A senior project?
no, it is developed by a private company in Vietnam: Quoc Hoa Mechanical Company.

Incredible!!!

Such a small Sub has AIP and 800KM radius !!

What kind of weapon and monitor instrument does it has ?

And how many crew ? Speed ?
I don´t have more details. But the mini sub has successfully passed several technical safety tests. It should be used for surveillance. Carrying no weapons. Will be launched soon.

A new force in the SCS:

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The 4500-tonne CCG 3401 formally inducted today 10.01.2014. :D

中国4000吨级海警3401船入列海监南海总队(图)-中新网
and this is the real 4,000 tons attack sub, equipped with six 533-millimeter torpedo tubes and 3M54 (or 3M-54 Klub) cruise missiles, speeds of 20 knots, dive to 300 meters, and hold 52 crew members. :coffee:

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I think that's why China tank ship intercept the USS Cowpens !!!
Their reason should be "US combatant ship enters the water region inside nine-dashed-line"
No, this affair had no relation with the Line, but the US warship was getting close the Chinese aircraft's defend area. As the news said, the Aircraft which has 3 defend lines was taking a military training at that moment, and when the US warship entered the outside line, a Chinese frigate had released the waring, but seemed nothing happened, therefore, to prevent the US ship coming in the last defend line, a tank ship rushed out and stopped at a distance only 500 meter away in front of the US warship. In the end, the US captain called the captain of Chinese aircraft and after two captains had made clear the intention of each other, the US warship left the area.
 
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No, this affair had no relation with the Line, but the US warship was getting close the Chinese aircraft's defend area. As the news said, the Aircraft which has 3 defend lines was taking a military training at that moment, and when the US warship entered the outside line, a Chinese frigate had released the waring, but seemed nothing happened, therefore, to prevent the US ship coming in the last defend line, a tank ship rushed out and stopped at a distance only 500 meter away in front of the US warship. In the end, the US captain called the captain of Chinese aircraft and after two captains had made clear the intention of each other, the US warship left the area.
I thought u were the most reasonable Chinese here, but seem like u r as paranoid as the rest. Ur so called "Defend line" completely violate the international water. just like u come to my house and say:"Ive just drawn a defend line, and ur yard is inside , I will hit u if u stand on that yard !". Its so impudent, dude
Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in International Waters
Landing ship sailed dangerously close to U.S. guided missile cruiser



The USS Cowpens / AP


BY: Bill Gertz
December 13, 2013 5:00 am

A Chinese naval vessel tried to force a U.S. guided missile warship to stop in international waters recently, causing a tense military standoff in the latest case of Chinese maritime harassment, according to defense officials.
Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in International Waters | Washington Free Beacon
 
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“The goal is to make them not dare to come back,” said Mr. Wu, who is also president of the National Institute for South China Sea Studies. “If you violate the rules, you will pay a high price.” He said the U.S. had grown too worked up about the new measure, which he said was aimed at better regulating the fishing industry.
China cant make its own " jungle rules" . When US show more clear sign in supporting VN against China, then we will even send warship-Kilos to challenge those barbarian.

SCS(east sea) is not a jungle for barbarian to impose its stupid 'jungle laws':coffee:
 
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No, this affair had no relation with the Line, but the US warship was getting close the Chinese aircraft's defend area. As the news said, the Aircraft which has 3 defend lines was taking a military training at that moment, and when the US warship entered the outside line, a Chinese frigate had released the waring, but seemed nothing happened, therefore, to prevent the US ship coming in the last defend line, a tank ship rushed out and stopped at a distance only 500 meter away in front of the US warship. In the end, the US captain called the captain of Chinese aircraft and after two captains had made clear the intention of each other, the US warship left the area.

Agreed with your comment in another posting, Chinese seem to be quite different from other thought.
But China govt. know well that they could concrete their position as a Big Four only if they follow the international rule.

As you said, and information I get, They requested no other combatant ship could come as close as 40kms from their Liaoning? Or When Liaoning moving, there's always a 80kms bandwidth that is protection area of it ? no matter where it operate ?

That's the distance between USS Cowpen vs Liaoning.
 
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what a swift change of you attitude
if you have a spine refuse the compliance then
and even more send a military plane into our ASIZ to test us if you dare!
I never said any word in any topic related to ur cheap ADIZ bcz its too cheap to discuss abt.
there is no soviet union on the map do you realise this? what geo-politics are you talking about? when Putin paid you a visit and you think you are their buddies and expect Russians will send their troops for your rescue? you better ask the indians to do that because the Russian are never as naive and when you are doomed, you have great company - the indio-vietcong allies to go down with you!
Russia support VN in SCS(east sea) against China, do u know that ??
 
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Is there any difference if there're some fishboat or commercial ships nearby Liaoning ?

Maybe the Chinese worries about the plan they made out, using fishboat with explosive to sink Zumwalt class destroyer
could be applied back to them ... ??

With Club-K missile developed by Russian, their fear has reasonable ... but everyone could not always set a no approaching rule to others in the international water area
 
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no, it is developed by a private company in Vietnam: Quoc Hoa Mechanical Company.


I don´t have more details. But the mini sub has successfully passed several technical safety tests. It should be used for surveillance. Carrying no weapons. Will be launched soon.


and this is the real 4,000 tons attack sub, equipped with six 533-millimeter torpedo tubes and 3M54 (or 3M-54 Klub) cruise missiles, speeds of 20 knots, dive to 300 meters, and hold 52 crew members. :coffee:

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Stop being childish。:rofl::D

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A corner of one of many PLAN sub bases。China has a sub fleet of over 60,and is building new subs at a rate of 4-5 a year。China has both nuclear attack subs and nuclear strategic subs。Vietnam?If China pleases,it can build 10 a year。Vietnam?You use your limied foreign reserves to buy a few outdated Russian junks over 10 years or more。:rofl:
 
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Stop being childish。:rofl::D

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A corner of one of many PLAN sub bases。China has a sub fleet of over 60,and is building new subs at a rate of 4-5 a year。China has both nuclear attack subs and nuclear strategic subs。Vietnam?If China pleases,it can build 10 a year。Vietnam?You use your limied foreign reserves to buy a few outdated Russian junks over 10 years or more。:rofl:
Then send ur cheap Sub to the disputed zone and test in real war. Dont just dock it at bay and blah balh....All kind of ur warship is nothing but junk, that's the truth :P
 
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Is there any difference if there're some fishboat or commercial ships nearby Liaoning ?

Maybe the Chinese worries about the plan they made out, using fishboat with explosive to sink Zumwalt class destroyer
could be applied back to them ... ??


With Club-K missile developed by Russian, their fear has reasonable ... but everyone could not always set a no approaching rule to others in the international water area

This is the war tactic in the mind of you Vietcong.
 
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I thought u were the most reasonable Chinese here, but seem like u r as paranoid as the rest. Ur so called "Defend line" completely violate the international water. just like u come to my house and say:"Ive just drawn a defend line, and ur yard is inside , I will hit u if u stand on that yard !". Its so impudent, dude
No, you misunderstand my mind. Not only Chinese Aircraft, but also all Aircrafts in the whole World, there must be some "Guard" with it, It has no relationship with the area is international or belonging to some specific country. Give you a example: A Vietnamese warship is sailing in the public area of SCS very usually, if a warship of other country getting very Close, so is the VN warship going to launch the warning even both are in the public sea area.

Agreed with your comment in another posting, Chinese seem to be quite different from other thought.
But China govt. know well that they could concrete their position as a Big Four only if they follow the international rule.

As you said, and information I get, They requested no other combatant ship could come as close as 40kms from their Liaoning? Or When Liaoning moving, there's always a 80kms bandwidth that is protection area of it ? no matter where it operate ?

That's the distance between USS Cowpen vs Liaoning.
You VN friends are to sensitive, ok. First, this affair was just between China and USA, and second. I've told to another VN friend. I dont Think a VN warship will not launch a warning if another warship from other country is getting Close and without any respose in the radio. Same same.
 
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I thought u were the most reasonable Chinese here, but seem like u r as paranoid as the rest. Ur so called "Defend line" completely violate the international water. just like u come to my house and say:"Ive just drawn a defend line, and ur yard is inside , I will hit u if u stand on that yard !". Its so impudent, dude
Next time, dont say such stupid words ok! Check what you said just now! Just Think yourself Before you blame others! Ok, if VN navy can stand others planes or warships getting Close with out warning, I will say sorry to you,
 
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