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Some Kashmiris Who Want ‘independence’ Should Check This Out First!

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Why the heck must one ask the world and the UN? We should instead ask the Balochis themselves!
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Which Balochis dude? Northern Balochistan is land of Pushtuns which have no problem to remain with Pakistan, South have Makranis & Brahuvis who are patriot Pakistanis, Western Balochistan have Hazaras who are with Pakistan. Balochs are spread in Western, Central & Eastern part out of it they have more than 100 tribes of which 3 tribes Marri, Mengals & Bugtis have most anti-Pakistani elements. Even in these three tribes many are patriot Pakistanis ever heard about Sarfaraz Bugti? Mir Aali Bugti? Shahzain Bugti? Ataullah Mengal? Shazia Marri(currently MNA)? etc etc. Not to forget the small tribes are fighting anti Pakistani elements, just search for Kalpar tribes war against Bugtis which is on going.

Sorry. Not anymore! Kashmir is an integral part of India. The sooner you realize and accept this fact of life, the better.

Good going. Your grand parents even said Pakistan will become part of akhand bharat but wet dreams remains wet dreams. Keep singing this song but keep your heart strong because soon you will see Kashmir getting indepandence.:lol:
 
And that is the prerequisite of the plebiscite as per the resolution.. If you want to talk about that resolution, you will need to accept the whole of it.. Not just the parts you like.. ;)

Issues are not solved on your egos. Who knows because of your ego you loose even other states with Kashmir.;)
 
more than 93000 dead,3 lac kids orphans,10,400 women raped...........thousands missing................. u indians need to shut up seriously.

As if you pakistanis care about your own people last ten years close to 50000 dead and Lot of human right violations in NWFP,Swat and Balouchistan.
 
The UN resolution requires the entire Kashmir to be in Indian control before any plebiscite happens,as simple as that.Let us know once you have done that.

UN resolutions never said 0.7 million indian forces will remain in Kashmir to terrorize people.

As if you pakistanis care about your own people last ten years close to 50000 dead and Lot of human right violations in NWFP,Swat and Balouchistan.
@Aeronaut @WebMaster rule violater here...please take care.

This dumb don't even knows that those 50k are killed by indian RAW sponsered terrorists of TTP & BLA.
 
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Issues are not solved on your egos. Who knows because of your ego you loose even other states with Kashmir.;)

Dont divert the topic.. That's the problem with distorted education. Pakistani kids grow up learning that India is not allowing plebiscite in Kashmir which is Pakistani land. And when they learn the reality, its difficult to accept...:D

and about losing other states, well, I have one word for you.. Bangladesh.... ;)

This dumb don't even knows that those 50k are killed by indian RAW sponsered terrorists of TTP & BLA.

Any evidence or you are just indulging in brain f@rts :) ?
 
50K of yr folks died and yr mighty ISI is still not able to bring any substantiate proof nailing RAW.

ISI is a professionnal organization unlike your RAW who drag Pakistan even if a pegion flies from Pakistan.

P.S Stop your Offtopic posts please. You can discuss that on WoT thread.
 
Why our all weather friend didn't occupied anyone's land plus it is offtopic to talk about it, you are welcome to start thread where we can debate it.



Don't force me to post pics of Average Kashmiris.:lol:



Pakistan's land is occupied since 47 so it has to look for it too.

pakistan can't even control its own territory like balochistan,khyber pakhtun,karachi...how it thinks of adding indian state of kashmir to its territory...why u people want even kashmiries to suffer like u..
 
pakistan can't even control its own territory like balochistan,khyber pakhtun,karachi...how it thinks of adding indian state of kashmir to its territory...why u people want even kashmiries to suffer like u..
@Oscar @WebMaster this thread is not about Balochistan, KPK or Karachi so why indians are dragging offtopics after offtopics.

indian state of Kashmir...? WTF are you talking dude? IOK is occupied territory & disputed, looks like your media & army propagandas has brainwashed you totally.
 
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Kashmir is a sacred place for Hindus and Hinduism.
The holy land of Amarnath and Vaishno Devi shrine where millions of Hindu devotes go on pilgrimage every year. We won't repeat the same mistake what Sikhs did in 47. We will never allow our holy land seperated from us
 
People in the Kashmir Valley have been provided for the last 65 years, hundreds of thousands of crores in subsidised cheap food (perhaps cheapest in the world), subsidised firewood, subsidised salts, subsidised pesticides for orchards, subsidised agricultural pursuits, cheaper feeds for animals, liberal loans for training in professional colleges outside the state (never returned), huge subsidies for establishment of industrial units, liberal loans for housing and so on.

There is hardly any sphere of life where people of Kashmir do not get preferential treatment. The population of the state is just 0.4% of the country yet it received 2.7% of the national development outlay. Five Year Plans are being totally financed by the Centre, as also assistance for staff salaries. While in other parts of the country various states are getting central assistance as 30 percent grants and 70 percent loans, Jammu and Kashmir is among the most favoured parts where Central assistance is being given as 90 percent grants and 10 percent as loan.

In the country as a whole, over 15 percent people are house-less but in the Kashmir Valley every family has got a proper house of its own. Such huge sums of money have been pumped into the Kashmir Valley to the neglect of other two regions during all these years that they have resulted in regional imbalances and regional tension within the state.

Insurgency and terrorism have not affected the prosperity of the Muslims of the Kashmir Valley. In fact, their prosperity has increased due to their having taken away immovable assets and agricultural property as also business establishments of the Hindus worth thousands of crores of rupees. Massive loans taken from financial institutions have not been returned. No taxes or Government dues are paid in the Valley. Electricity charges, water bills, telephone bills, sales tax bills, sales tax, excise duty nothing is paid to the Central Government.

Now, if some misguided Kasmiris and birdbrains like SAS Gilani and Co of the Hurriyat want ‘independence’, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the devastating financial effect on Kashmir and Kashmiris and their quality of life. For the 2% of Kashmiris who want to merge with Pakistan, they should ask themselves whether Pakistan can afford to give all these freebies to the Kashmiris that amount to thousands of crores a year as subsidies.

The Kashmiris who insist on independence or a merger with Pakistan must ask themselves whether they are better off in India? There would be no more freebies and subsidies. The crutches that they have been dependent upon for decades will be gone resulting in the further disintegration of the state due to civil unrest and discontent. Pakistan would be hard put to control the chaos that would ensue. In other words, another nightmare for Pakistan seeing that Waziristan and Balochistan are on the boil.

Religion can feed the soul, but it cannot put more food on the table.

I have not gone through the whole thread for obvious reasons. I am going to raise some points which perhaps have not been raised.

1. If India subsidises IOK, then why do you think that Pakistan does not subsidise Azad Kashmir?

2. With the potential of Hydroelectricity just beginning to be tapped in Kashmir, can someone add the numbers are see how much money is accruing or should accrue to Kashmir? With the cost of energy set to rise, I bet an honest answer would put an end to the question of subsidies being just one way.

3. It is not just the religious practices that majority of Kashmiris share with Pakistanis (particularly of North Punjab). There are cultural, trade, and geographic links as well. That is why if left to themselves, Kashmiris would grow closer to Pakistan over time. It is just natural. Do Indians have any idea how many Kashmiris migrated to North Punjab even before 1947? Kashmiri-Punjabis are a big part of intellectual, cultural, and economic fabric of North Punjab.

4. Why is it that Indians never consider Azad Kashmir and talk only about the valley of Kashmir specifically. If they mention Poonch or Ladakh, it is almost as an after thought. Something is not right here.
 
@Chak Bamu Reason we don't talk about P0K is that its time wastage and we are content with the portion of Kashmir we have. Why should we focus on one state if rest of the India is also need to be taken care of.

We have different priorities like education, employment poverty removal, health services, economic growth and Internal security.

Making hue and cry over a piece of land which Pakistan will never give is idiotic. We have good portion of Kashmir with Dams built on few rivers, and status qup works for us.

Tourism is booming in Kashmir ad soon economic process will create a new generation of Kashmiri people who will get benefited by it and hence may become more Pro-India.

We will focus on getting our area of Kashmir more developed and secure than what Pakistan have.
 
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