Situation in Pakistan very serious: US senator

[ejaz007]

There is nothing new in this news. Tell us something that we do not know.

 

[acid rain]

You mean when the COAS refused to interfere or when he claimed on media that he wants to be no part of it?

I can see your blind hatred getting in the way....

I can also see where your phobia came in from! All the years of being fed Murrican words...


But it is not coherent as per saying in recent events....Kashmir is a few decade old case! Not recent...

This is how it seems to have been played....so Senator was asked a few words about Pakistan ...he hears the word Pakistan and throws in all he knows about it...

Like your rant about the army he threw that in (apparently that is what they teach in USA)
He knew something to do with Afghanistan (not sure he knows we share a border) but yea he threw that into the boiling pot
He threw in Iraq (its a Muslim country right...we were there I think...it prob shares a boarder with Pakistan coz the 2 always come up in news) so in it goes to boil
Oh yes Kashmir...I have heard of that one...Lets throw it in to show I know all about Pakistan....

Wait something is happening there isnt it..cant recall what ...well lets put in the word recent events...makes everyone thinks I am up to date....

Mc cain is presently the bullwark in the Indo US relations and the visit so I believe he is upto speed with the recent goings on in the Sub continent.

I believe @Syed.Ali.Haider is referring to the army's not so secret agreement with your PM about foreign and security policy issues and what compelled nawaz to accept it.

 

[Dubious]

I believe @Syed.Ali.Haider is referring to the army's not so secret agreement with your PM about foreign and security policy issues and what compelled nawaz to accept it.

Yes something Americans and Indians believe in

Dude NS only has a business degree I am not sure if he needs to take drugs to keep alive in policy and security issues...same with PPP govt...when they were warned about some attack may occur the PPP sindh CM said he was unaware airports are included in that category...

 

[VCheng]

Mc cain is presently the bullwark in the Indo US relations and the visit so I believe he is upto speed with the recent goings on in the Sub continent.

I believe @Syed.Ali.Haider is referring to the army's not so secret agreement with your PM about foreign and security policy issues and what compelled nawaz to accept it.

What McCain said is all correct, whether some are able to admit it or not.

You mean when the COAS refused to interfere or when he claimed on media that he wants to be no part of it?
I can see your blind hatred getting in the way....
I can also see where your phobia came in from! All the years of being fed Murrican words...

What was said here, both by the Senator, and what I posted, is all factually correct, and will remain so, whether you like it or not.

 

[Dubious]

What was said here, both by the Senator, and what I posted, is all factually correct, and will remain so, whether you like it or not.

everyone wants to be correct and points to the other as delusional...it takes guts to admit to mistakes...and it certainly takes logic to agree WHEN provided with evidence and you can only guess who will agree without evidence....the same way you keep arguing with on PDF

 

[C130]

they say, India and Pakistan should just beat the shit out of each other while, they rob us both of our Oil and freedom, and once we have reduced each other armed forces considerably, they jump in for a ceasefire and become heroes, YAY

you all been beating on each other since the partition of India and you all would still be beating on eachotehr whether the U.S wanted you to or not.

seems like this is an eternal conflict destined for hellfire.

 

[VCheng]

everyone wants to be correct and points to the other as delusional...it takes guts to admit to mistakes...and it certainly takes logic to agree WHEN provided with evidence and you can only guess who will agree without evidence....the same way you keep arguing with on PDF

There is no argument here. I have already shown how McCain's remarks are correct. Your acceptance or non-acceptance means nothing in this context. You have a right to ignore the evidence, and I will respect that right. Discussion over.

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Here is some material in the same vein:

‘Overt ouster’ of Sharif may trigger sanctions: US report - Pakistan - DAWN.COM


By Anwar Iqbal
Published about 9 hours ago

— File photo



WASHINGTON: The anti-government protest in Pakistan has reversed the country’s struggle to establish a sustainable democratic system, says a report prepared for the US Congress.

The report — “Pakistan Political Unrest” — warns that “any overt military ouster” of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif “could trigger another round of democracy-related US sanctions on foreign assistance to Pakistan”.

This could put “an indefinite halt to what has been one of the highest-priority American aid programmes since 9/11”.

The report also warns that the unrest could impact Pakistan’s relations with India by increasing the army’s influence in foreign policies.

‘Protest has reversed efforts for sustainable democracy’

“The Pakistan Army’s more openly direct control of Pakistan’s foreign and security policies may, over time, shift Pakistan’s approach towards Afghanistan further into a policy framework that seeks to counter Indian influence there,” warns the report prepared by the Congressional Research Service (CRS).

The report notes that while the Sharif government does not face an imminent ouster, “many observers see the current unrest weakening Mr Sharif”. It also represents “a setback to democratisation in a country that has suffered three outright military coups in its 67 years of independence”.

The report informs US lawmakers that despite the protest, Pakistan is unlikely to change its foreign or security policies that are of interest to the United States.

But the US government has sought to help in fostering Pakistan’s democratic system, and that effort has been disrupted by the current unrest.

The unrest could “also present new challenges to the goal of improving India-Pakistan relations, and put a damper on hopes for effective regional cooperation and commerce in South Asia,” says the author, Alan Kronstadt, CRS specialist in South Asian affairs.

“Whether Mr Sharif sought out or merely acceded to the army’s late August intervention as a facilitator between the government and the protesters, most analysts contend that because he has not demonstrated civilian control over domestic security he will be left in a weakened state,” the report adds.

CRS warns that the army’s involvement could have negative implications for US efforts to strengthen Pakistan’s democratic governance institutions as well.

“Observers doubt, however, that the army would seek to take direct control of the government, not least as it is embroiled in offensive operations against Islamist militants in western tribal areas,” the report adds.

The army, however, might welcome “a soft coup in which popular support for the civilian government is reduced such that the army can take full control of foreign and security policies”.

Reviewing the situation that led to the PTI-PAT protest, CRS points out the PML-N government has been criticised for its perceived fecklessness.

“Beyond an annual budget, parliament has failed to pass a single new law under Sharif. Important posts — including that of foreign minister — remain unfilled, and regulatory agencies have no chiefs.”

CRS notes that the party is “too centred around one family” while Nawaz Sharif “maintains an autocratic and detached ruling style” and has “neglected to reform Pakistan’s sclerotic governance system”.

Mr Sharif’s rule has continued to be “dynastic”, with a “kitchen cabinet” of unofficial advisers and a lack of responsiveness to public sentiment.

The report points out that relations between the Sharif government and the army began to deteriorate further in 2014, when Mr Sharif allowed the launch of a legal effort to prosecute Pervez Musharraf for treason.

“Mr Sharif later stood by and defended Geo News, when Geo accused the military of attempting to assassinate one of its leading journalists. He also pursued a policy of negotiations with TTP, even as that terrorist group continued to launch deadly attacks.”

The army, however, “was intent on launching offensive operations” and the army leadership also was reported to be unhappy with Sharif’s commercial overtures to India”.

CRS notes that “Mr Sharif’s perceived air of detachment from the country’s woes and his increasingly poor relations with the generals appear to have combined to embolden some of his political detractors to take to the streets, by many accounts with covert or implicit prodding from the army”.

Published in Dawn, September 10th, 2014

 

[Dubious]

OMG All that is no good for America and it has pointed it out to hell with what is good for Pakistan and its people...we dare voice out?!

says a report prepared for the US Congress.

So basically means a report tweaked in order to be fed to the US congress as they want to hear it?

warns that “any overt military ouster” of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif “could trigger another round of democracy-related US sanctions on foreign assistance to Pakistan”.

Not sure how warnings are issued without proof presented! Basically it is speculated I presumed?

And based on that speculation comes a threat that if you get rid of the autocrat (which we will point out later) we will put sanctions on Pakistan so just accept the bloody autocrat?

towards Afghanistan further into a policy framework that seeks to counter Indian influence there,”

OMG that is soo bad! Pakistan wanting to protect its border! How dare they!

“a setback to democratisation in a country

Only we Murrica have the right to call the bloody bastard an autocrat for what he is ...for the world he is a democrat!

US government has sought to help in fostering Pakistan’s democratic system

Long story short...American puppet the likes of Saddam, Ghaddafi, Mubarak and Assad only difference is we scare our public of military men on posts but they are allowed for 30 odd years WHEN WE WANT it...who cares what the people want...Murrica Murrica only Murrica has a say! and we "foster" which ever bloody shit and call it democrat and the world has to nod...now nod!

“Whether Mr Sharif sought out or merely acceded to the army’s late August intervention as a facilitator between the government and the protesters, most analysts contend that because he has not demonstrated civilian control over domestic security he will be left in a weakened state,” the report adds.

Shariff said Army came...Army said Shariff begged... made the analysts "speculate" (again)...hence he shot 14 of his own people to please a set of analysts in Murica to show them he isnt weak?

warns that the army’s involvement

Warning again without proof..more like I scare you of the boogey man!

The army, however, might welcome “a soft coup in which popular support for the civilian government is reduced such that the army can take full control of foreign and security policies”.

Speculation fed to the narrow minds as a fact! Security policies should be in their control...isnt that the case of the pentagon? Obama nor the people could overturn anything the national security dept or pentagon issues so why is that called democracy but god forbid it happens in other countries...

“Beyond an annual budget, parliament has failed to pass a single new law under Sharif. Important posts — including that of foreign minister — remain unfilled, and regulatory agencies have no chiefs.”

Despite his incompetency we fully support him coz he will for sure NEVER develop Pakistan ...thats the YES MAN FOR MURRICA!

CRS notes that the party is “too centred around one family” while Nawaz Sharif “maintains an autocratic and detached ruling style” and has “neglected to reform Pakistan’s sclerotic governance system”.

Yet we declare him a democrat and Murrica supports democracy in Pakistan....keep it that way!

Mr Sharif’s rule has continued to be “dynastic”, with a “kitchen cabinet” of unofficial advisers and a lack of responsiveness to public sentiment.

Yet Murrica supports Democracy in Pakistan...Democracy is the way for Pakistan....and any voice against it is going to cause sanctions for Pakistan!

“Mr Sharif later stood by and defended Geo News, when Geo accused the military of attempting to assassinate one of its leading journalists. He also pursued a policy of negotiations with TTP, even as that terrorist group continued to launch deadly attacks.”

Still NS is right and any voice against him is an attack against democracy! talk about a joke on Pakistan!


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[SamantK]

I have seen the Word Murrican used by a certain type of people.

 

[acid rain]

Yes something Americans and Indians believe in

Dude NS only has a business degree I am not sure if he needs to take drugs to keep alive in policy and security issues...same with PPP govt...when they were warned about some attack may occur the PPP sindh CM said he was unaware airports are included in that category...

So, whats your point dude? that the army should hold the foreign policy and security policy? what do you guess will be the trickle down effect of that on the govt's standing? the gop will be a lameduck govt, which no one else will take seriously. Might as well declare martial law.

 

[Dubious]

the gop will be a lameduck govt, which no one else will take seriously.

question is when has gop actually shown progress? It is very much a sitting duck even now...Its only activity is trying to find ways to eat up as much $$ as possible...

As for martial law...I dont mind it...its the West who are pissing about it!

 

[VCheng]

Yet Murrica supports Democracy in Pakistan...Democracy is the way for Pakistan....and any voice against it is going to cause sanctions for Pakistan!

Exactly. That is the correct thing to do in this case. Democracy is indeed the way forward for Pakistan, and that path will be supported by USA.

 

[Dubious]

Exactly. That is the correct thing to do in this case. Democracy is indeed the way forward for Pakistan, and that path will be supported by USA.

Is that all you got from my post? You for Murrica over Pakistanis? Then please dont talk in Pakistani people's matter...go talk to Murrica jo aap kay haan mein haan milain gay!

 

[acid rain]

question is when has gop actually shown progress? It is very much a sitting duck even now...Its only activity is trying to find ways to eat up as much $$ as possible...

As for martial law...I dont mind it...its the West who are pissing about it!

Then it defeats the whole purpose of having elections and having a govt. As I said, might as well let the army rule the country.

 

[VCheng]

Is that all you got from my post? You for Murrica over Pakistanis? Then please dont talk in Pakistani people's matter...go talk to Murrica jo aap kay haan mein haan milain gay!

This is not a matter of choosing one over the other. It is a matter of being clear about what is good for Pakistan: DEMOCRACY.