Similarities Between Turkish and Urdu

[Kabira]

Lol @ better and greatest education perhaps that was reason that literacy of Punjab was higher than them.

The only thing punjab produced with introduction of persian was poets in punjabi language with arabic script.

 

[padamchen]

Completely naive question ....

Is all this excitement in honor of a Pakistani for the first time addressing the UN in an indigenous language?

Kudos to you guys if so.

Welcome to the world of self respect.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Jaanbaz]

I love your DP. ... hhahaha was in stitches !

@Jaanbaz

Finally someone noticed it lol.

 

[Sugarcane]

That is one of best summaries I have read in a long time. The British took us over in 1849 and by that time British rule was over 100 years in the Ganga valley. At that time the British were the apex civilization and naturally as you mention because of them Ganga valley had already a long history of introduction to universities and modern life. Which is why the 2NT was born in that region.

My dad told me when he first moved to Karachi in late 1950s every Bengali he saw was either a doctor or senior official and the first impression he formed was that they Bangali's all were a highly educated people.

Dr. G.W. Leitner founder of Punjab University and Lahore College wrote report for British government on failure of British education system in Punjab, his research is available in form of book "History Of Indigenous Education In The Punjab". Read it when you have time to understand what happened

The only thing punjab produced with introduction of persian was poets in punjabi language with arabic script.

You have skewed understanding, Persian, Arabic and Sanskrit were secondary languages while primary were Punjabi and Pashto. As if Urdu was language of Science. .. Lol

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Urdu borrowed words from many different different languages and used those words in its own sentence structure.

It started with Arab, then Persian then Turkish words. Finally, we are living in an era where urdu (in Pakistan) is borrowing words from English, Punjabi, Sindhi languages etc. Shah mahmood Qureshi also used some English words in his yesterday's speech.

I listened to SMQ and then to Indian FM Sushma speeches at UNO. I struggled with SMQ's Urdu but I was entirely lost with FM Sushma. I assume she was speaking in Hindi. If that is Hindi then both languages have diverged significantly.

 

[padamchen]

I listened to SMQ and then to Indian FM Sushma speeches at UNO. I struggled with SMQ's Urdu but I was entirely lost with FM Sushma. I assume she was speaking in Hindi. If that is Hindi then both languages have diverged significantly.

Remember I once pointed out something to you?

You are not a native speaker of either.

It's like hearing my LA nephews speak Gujurati.

Cheers, Doc

 

[PakSword]

I listened to SMQ and then to Indian FM Sushma speeches at UNO. I struggled with SMQ's Urdu but I was entirely lost with FM Sushma. I assume she was speaking in Hindi. If that is Hindi then both languages have diverged significantly.

The sentence structure is same, but the vocab differs completely. Hindi gets most of the words from sanskrit, urdu gets from a lot of other languages. Arabic, Persian and Turkish languages top, then comes other Indus valley languages such as Punjabi, Sindhi, and now English is providing many words. Urdu is still evolving and God knows when will it's evolution stop.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Urdu is still evolving and God knows when will it's evolution stop.

No language ever stops evolving. When it does, it goes extinct. English is continously evolving. The English today is ever so slightly differant from English of 1950s which was slightly differant from 1900s etc

 

[Kabira]

That is one of best summaries I have read in a long time. The British took us over in 1849 and by that time British rule was over 100 years in the Ganga valley. At that time the British were the apex civilization and naturally as you mention because of them Ganga valley had already a long history of introduction to universities and modern life. Which is why the 2NT was born in that region.

My dad told me when he first moved to Karachi in late 1950s every Bengali he saw was either a doctor or senior official and the first impression he formed was that they Bangali's all were a highly educated people.

Even Indian muslims were quite late to adopt English. Only when Syed Ahmed saw that muslims were getting left behind by rejecting English, thats when Aligarh university was established. Same happened in Pakistan where hindus were first to adopt English education while muslims continued with their old ways. I remember reading that in Jhang which was 80% muslim, Abdus Salam was only "muslim" student in class. And today he wouldn't even be considered muslim.

But with time things changed somewhat and by tail end of British raj there were people like Rehmat Ali who came up with concept of Pakistan. And also Bangistan and many other homeland for Indian muslims.

 

[PakSword]

No language ever stops evolving. When it does, it goes extinct. English is continously evolving. The English today is ever so slightly differant from English of 1950s which was slightly differant from 1900s etc

That's right, but somehow I believe that Urdu has many gaps that it filled by borrowing words from many other languages..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

That's right, but somehow I believe that Urdu has many gaps that it filled by borrowing words from many other languages..

So did English. It borrowed massively from Latin, Greek, French to develop itself and then when it spread far and wide it began to borrow from across the globe. Words like khaki, bungalow, juggernaut are from South Asia.

 

[Kabira]

You have skewed understanding, Persian, Arabic and Sanskrit were secondary languages while primary were Punjabi and Pashto. As if Urdu was language of Science. .. Lol

Who said anything about urdu? If you have noticed urdu alone doesn't get you anywhere in Pakistan. That's why parents go out of the way to send their kids to private schools. This need to change and I hope PTI introduces English from first class in public schools.

I said British brought urdu speakers for administration, they also had knowledge of english. There was little need to stick with persian. I don't see any grand conspiracy by british here, they just came from east where they were already established for 200 years if I'm not wrong. And Pakistan as state is still just 72 years old, still less then British raj in Pakistan let alone other regions of south asia.

British couldn't care less to preserve native languages. They were colonists thinking for their own. They mostly exploited Pakistan.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Who said anything about urdu? If you have noticed urdu alone doesn't get you anywhere in Pakistan. That's why parents go out of the way to send their kids to private schools. This need to change and I hope PTI introduces English from first class in public schools.

I said British brought urdu speakers for administration, they also had knowledge of english. There was little need to stick with persian. I don't see any grand conspiracy by british here, they just came from east where they were already established for 200 years if I'm not wrong. And Pakistan as state is still just 72 years old, still less then British raj in Pakistan let alone other regions of south asia.

Thats the problem, Urdu has little value.

Urdu is not the language of science and knowledge.

However Russians, Japanese, Germans, and French do everything in their language though.

 

[Kabira]

Thats the problem, Urdu has little value.

Urdu is not the language of science and knowledge.

However Russians, Japanese, Germans, and French do everything in their language though.

I don't think any language is of science. But this hybrid system in Pakistan needs to go where higher education is restricted to people who are better at English from early age. Huge chunk of Pakistan public school educated is left out of this.

Either completely get rid of English or introduce in public schools as well.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I don't think any language is of science. But this hybrid system in Pakistan needs to go where higher education is restricted to people who are better at English from early age. Huge chunk of Pakistan public school educated is left out of this.

Either completely get rid of English or introduce in public schools as well.

In this day and age learning English is necessary for today's knowledge and technology is in English.

If we want to compete with other nations we need to learn English unfortunately.

As for Urdu, it is the unifying language of Pakistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The Ottoman Turkish is the amalgam of 3 languages - Arabic, Persian and Turkish. It's again being slowly introduced as an auxiliary subject in high schools in Turkey. It's speakers can easily figure out all the Arabic and Persian word and phrases used in Urdu, and thus project what's being conveyed (even written after being introduced to the some additional letters) with ~80% confidence level...

*A perfect example is the Pak national anthem