Similarities between the founding of Israel and Pakistan

[EyanKhan]

How is this different? Colonization of mind, soul and religion is also a colonization. The natives of Punjab and Sindh are dalits, shudras, khatris, brahmins, and other Dharmic people. Not people with Gilani, Shirazi, Qurayshi, etc. after their names.

This shows your level of Intellect,
Time to abandon thread ,Bye bye

 

[himalayah]

Farewell, friend.

 

[vicky sen]

i will write on the similarities on pakistan and israel today later sometime but one similaritiy that came imideately into my mind is

1: both isreal and india are religiously extremist
2: both lay the foundation of their country on religious bases.ie isreal on isreal and india on akhand bharat.
3: both claim a land which they held just for a few centuries , thousand of year ago.
4: both wants to capture a land just because of religion
5: both did genocide of other nations to keep the land.
6: both countries neighbour don't like them.
7: both have been alligated of serious crimes against humanity.
8: both countries do propoganda for their survival.
9: both think that they are the superior nation on earth.
10: both have inferiority complex.
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Extremely well written points. U want a nobel??

 

[Duvdevan]

I'm not sure Pakistanis had 3,500 year history as a people?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Israel and Pakistan are two vastly different experiments. Important difference being that Israel was created for the Jewish diaspora worldwide, while Pakistan was only for the Muslims of the subcontinent. Meaning, Israel had more Jews from outside Palestine than the native ones at the time of it's creation, and the Zionists were essentially usurping land that wasn't theirs for nearly a 1000 years at least. The Pakistanis had only about 10% outsiders(all Indian though) at max that eventually became the Mohajir community.

Do I need to remind me of the number of people who migrated from all over India !? And no not all of them call themselves muhajirs.. Haven't hear a Panjabis,Haryanvi etc call himself Muhajir.. Apart from tht we also have people like Hazaras who mass migrated to Pakistan from Afghanistan from the 18th century onwards n also played part in the creation of Pakistan ..

@OP thank you for your BULL SHIT.

 

[AUz]

How is this different? Colonization of mind, soul and religion is also a colonization. The natives of Punjab and Sindh are dalits, shudras, khatris, brahmins, and other Dharmic people. Not people with Gilani, Shirazi, Qurayshi, etc. after their names.

Consensual choice of changing religion is not same as forced colonization of grabbing land like Israel is doing in Palestine.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I'm not sure Pakistanis had 3,500 year history as a people?

You need to see the historic maps of the region .. From indus civilisation onwards..

 

[himalayah]

I'm not sure Pakistanis had 3,500 year history as a people?

Don't you know. According to @EyanKhan they are natives to Punjab and Sindh. Hence, they must also be the same Austric negrito peoples who lived there tens of thousands of years ago and the same protoDravidians who established Ghaggar-Hakra(Indus) Valley Civilization around 4,000 BC. Don't get fooled by them naming themselves Awan, Arain, Siddiqui, Shirazi, Tabrizi, etc. That is just for, err.. next question please.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

How is this different? Colonization of mind, soul and religion is also a colonization. The natives of Punjab and Sindh are dalits, shudras, khatris, brahmins, and other Dharmic people. Not people with Gilani, Shirazi, Qurayshi, etc. after their names.



Some are. Jatts, Gujjars, Rajputs, etc. are sons of the soil. But more than they themselves, I draw a parallel to the forced expulsion of OTHER natives (namely Hindus and Sikhs that numbered more than total population of Israel today) for not following a foreign ideology/religion.

Forced expulsion ? What happened to Muslims in indian Punjab,Haryana and other bordering provinces of India?

The genocide n occupation of Kashmir ?

 

[500]

Does Pakistan or any country, except Israel, deprive anyone of their fundamental rights?

Israel is the only country in Middle East which does NOT deprive any of its citizens of their fundamental rights.

 

[himalayah]

Consensual choice of changing religion is not same as forced colonization of grabbing land like Israel is doing in Palestine.

And what about massacring those people in 1947, in the millions, who did not allow themselves to be 'consensually' changed from their native religion?

 

[EyanKhan]

Don't you know. According to @EyanKhan they are natives to Punjab and Sindh. Hence, they must also be the same Austric negrito peoples who lived there tens of thousands of years ago and the same protoDravidians who established Ghaggar-Hakra(Indus) Valley Civilization around 4,000 BC. Don't get fooled by them naming themselves Awan, Arain, Siddiqui, Shirazi, Tabrizi, etc. That is just for, err.. next question please.

umm Do you understand the meaning of the term "Ancestors"?

And what about massacring those people in 1947, in the millions, who did not allow themselves to be 'consensually' changed from their native religion?

That happened on both the sides

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Don't you know. According to @EyanKhan they are natives to Punjab and Sindh. Hence, they must also be the same Austric negrito peoples who lived there tens of thousands of years ago and the same protoDravidians who established Ghaggar-Hakra(Indus) Valley Civilization around 4,000 BC. Don't get fooled by them naming themselves Awan, Arain, Siddiqui, Shirazi, Tabrizi, etc. That is just for, err.. next question please.

awans are a tribe,tabrezi,shirazis are migrants from Iran .. Migrations tht has been taking place since centuries .. Heck the nam Panjabis itself is Persian :5 waters... Do I need to say more?

 

[himalayah]

Forced expulsion ? What happened to Muslims in indian Punjab,Haryana and other bordering provinces of India?

The genocide n occupation of Kashmir ?

Punjab, Haryana, yes there were revenge massacres when they found bodies of their children and women slaughtered in trains coming from West Punjab. It was unfortunate. But that was exclusive mostly to bordering states. Most of Indian Muslims decided to stay back, hence why percentage wise their population in present day India increased from 7 or so percent to around 13-14% of today. Whereas Punjab (birthplace of Sikh religion) hindus and sikh used to be 35-40 %, now what are they? 1.2% or less?

Also if you are not Punjabi, then you won't understand the massacres on both sides of Punjab. Its a long history since the first Muslim invaders converted the first Punjabi by force.

And Kashmir, yes it is unfortunate. We can give them independence like Pakistan was given independence. But it will result in another partition. Hindu majority Jammu districts, and almost the entirety of Ladakh (including Pro Indian Shia Baltis), will have to be cut off from the valley. The policy makers do not want to see another partition, but I wouldn't mind to be honest.

 

[EyanKhan]

Punjab, Haryana, yes there were revenge massacres when they found bodies of their children and women slaughtered in trains coming from West Punjab. It was unfortunate. But that was exclusive mostly to bordering states. Most of Indian Muslims decided to stay back, hence why percentage wise their population in present day India increased from 7 or so percent to around 13-14% of today. Whereas Punjab (birthplace of Sikh religion) hindus and sikh used to be 35-40 %, now what are they? 1.2% or less?

Also if you are not Punjabi, then you won't understand the massacres on both sides of Punjab. Its a long history since the first Muslim invaders converted the first Punjabi by force.

Seems you've read too much of shiv sena , One sided history . Grow up kid And learn to diffrentiate propaganda from the actual history.