A1
Does pakistan recognize India? Does India in Pakistan's view illegally occupy Kashmir? How do you justify that the Pakistan government recognize India but not Israel?
Also please justify how it is that it is appropriate for Pakistan and pakistanis to be more Palestinian than the palestinians? They have recognized the Israeli state, so exactluy why not Pakistan?
You bring you the issue of illegal occupation -- this is most certainly a huge problem -- exactly how, in your opinion, might Pakistan influence this issue when it does nto recognize a party to the conflict? Or is it that you propose that an war without end, to the last palestinian may suit some to justify their political opinion?
I am sure you will have answers that will shed much light on these questions
"Does pakistan recognize India? Does India in Pakistan's view illegally occupy Kashmir? How do you justify that the Pakistan government recognize India but not Israel?" -Muse
Point A
Sir occupation alone is not enough to dispute a Nation's legal right to existence, India and Israel are very two different cases.
In India we are talking about a country that is in it's natural region, it's cultural homeland and location, it's establishment is not based on any occupation rather it has been there homeland for centuries.
In the case of Israel, it was the Balfour Declaration in 1917 that promised the land of Palestine which has been an Arab homeland for hundreds and hundreds of years. There were in there natural homeland, their cultural homeland, there ancestral homeland (with reasonable historical time line! too).
Yes India does occupy parts of Kashmir, and that in itself is unjust and the human rights violations that India perpetuates in Kashmir is also very unjust. However, India's sovereignty in PROPER India is not the question, the question is India's occupation in Kashmir.
Point B
"Also please justify how it is that it is appropriate for Pakistan and pakistanis to be more Palestinian than the palestinians? They have recognized the Israeli state, so exactluy why not Pakistan?"-Muse
"They" Sir is a loose term, Fatah a US and Euro backed Party has been supportive of a more perhaps defeatist and moderate cause, a two-state solution, and then they would recognize Israel as a legitimate state. No one question's Israel's physical existence, neither do Pakistanis, they are as real as it get's that is not the question nor the issue, it is whether Israel, a "state" many consider to be an "illegitimate state", established through occupation, and many consider an apartheid state should be recognized as a legal and just full state in the Common of Nations. Especially the Muslims who have suffered the most under Israel.
But Hamas continues to deny Israel as a legitimate state, as they feel their land Palestine is fully occupied even the Fatah supporters know this, but because Fatah is left with little means to counter Israel they accept the lesser rewarding proposal, two-state solution. Though there is great doubt whether the two-state solution would provide any respect for a Palestinian state's territorial integrity by Israel...
Point C
"You bring you the issue of illegal occupation -- this is most certainly a huge problem -- exactly how, in your opinion, might Pakistan influence this issue when it does nto recognize a party to the conflict? Or is it that you propose that an war without end, to the last palestinian may suit some to justify their political opinion?"-Muse
Sir right now Pakistan within many other countries can apply pressure on Israel, and let Israel know as long as it continues settlement expansion it will fail to be recognized as a legitimate state by many in the Middle East and Muslim World, though some states have recognized Israel the Muslim world at large has not ideologically nor legally.
But this is not merely Pakistan's responsibility, even the
U.N and even the US in the past had criticized Israel for it's settlement expansion.
George Bush Senior's, Secretary of State (to the best of my memory) once said (paraphrasing) "every time he went to negotiate peace between Israel and the Palestinians nothing made his job more difficult than Israeli settlement expansion". Yet Israel has failed to stop,
are you suggesting recognizing Israel as a legitimate state in the open and conducting dialogue with Israel will stop them. Sir you must understand the ideology we are dealing with,
it is an ideology that believes "God" "Yahweh" has given them that land, so from their side there is little to be negotiated,
the leaders they elect like Sharon and another extremist like Netanyahu indicate/reflect their sentiment on settlement expansion.
So Pakistani recognition should not be the first step, it is they who must make the first step just as they created the first settlement.
I hope you are not suggesting appeasement of Israel.
"exactly how, in your opinion, might Pakistan influence this issue when it does nto recognize a party to the conflict?-Muse
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Point C, first recognize the religious ideology of the state and the people who we are dealing with, recognize how they believe the land is promised and given to them by God, and understand how this plays a major block in most negotiations with Israel especially when radical parties are elected.
Though please don't deny Pakistan's discreet diplomatic efforts with Israel over the years.
