Should discussion be allowed on questions raised by Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza?

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Stop misleading everyone here. The whole point of the Engineer Ali was that Qadianis are better (less kafir) than Chrsiitans and jews because Qadianis at least believe in prophet while Christians and jews do not. I never said Engineer Ali is pronouncing Qadianis as muslims.

My point is that Qadianis do not believe in prophet and quran since they do not believe in what quran and prophet says. Your scholar Engineer also believe that Qadianis believe in Quran and prophet and see how wrong he is.

This is Engineer Ali who is twisting things in favour of qadianis and you as a blind follower of him are willing to take every shit of him.

Allah kay bandhay..aur mere bhai aap nay iss baat pay engineer Ali bhai ki poori video dekhi hai kay nahi? ya just short aik derh mint ki video dekhi? agar nahi dekhi tau maine suni hai and let me explain to you.. ye baat unho nay yun kahe the kay qadiani christian aur yahoodiyon say bahter hai iss liye kay wo Allah aur Muhammad ur Rasoolullah SAW aur Quran ko mantay hain tau unhay tableegh karnay main christians aur yahoodiyon say bahter hain.. like quran Aur Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa SAW ko tau manwaana parhega just khatm-e-naboot pay unhay convince karna parhega..

Rahe baat ye qadiani ka fatwa jo 80% ulema un pay laga rahay tau meri nazar main Ali bhai say bahter tau iss pay kisi ka stance hi nahi wo kahtay hain kay meri nazar main nabuuwat ki khabro main ab sirf mubasharat yaani naik khwab reh gaye hain baaki ab qayamat tak Allah say kisi insaan ki communication nahi ho sakti.. ab ye esi baat pay Ahle tashayion bhai aur brelvi deobandi ye tau ahle bait aur buzurgon say esi baatain kah detay jo sirf wahiii say hi bata sakta koyi.. jaisay buzurg qabar main aazab jaan laitay ya esay aur bhtt say misaalain

 

[Mentee]

which is visible to the people blessed with kashf (divine insight).’

With reference to the believers from any Ummah any Devine insight or super normal power is directly gifted by The Almighty and not achieved otheriwse- ------ for example Prophet Solomon was chosen by Allah swt , he didn't go through a series of chilla or other forms and degrees of initiation to reach that level.

Two videos from two top barelvi scholars is all we need. Thank You

Brother This isn't that simple as you may like it to project for firqah defence. The Hanafi followers at large subscribe to these mumbo jumbo.

Don't spit in the water not because its a bad thing but paani vala peer rehta hai------.

 

[Bouncer]

B. Read quran with meaning.
C. Earn halal
D. Stop lies...this is the worst thing of all.

That's about it.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Maulana Tariq Masood was ready for 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 or any kind of debate as long as your fraud wouldn't have gone hiding for 48 hours straight when Maulana reached Jhelum

Obviously Maulana was ready for a one on one debate and the rest 2 to 3 people were with him to aid him in the debate. Unlike your fraudster who answers planted questions in his youtube videos from a few limited sources we debate from a wide range of sources hence we need someone to help us find references. Clearly this is something new for you since your charlatan only answers to planted questions he doesn't need someone to find references from many different sources. Those other 2-3 individuals would say a word in the whole debate but your fraudster went on silent mode just like pajeets who went silent for 48 hours once it was confirmed Abhinandan was in Pakistani custody

Apparently your fraudster shares a lot with pajeets from the other side of the border. Go in hiding for 48 hours and when things get a bit clear come up with new excuses to save face


Share at least 2 videos from top Barelvi scholars explaining importance of Khider for Ahnaf and that every hanafi should know him. Hopefully that shouldn't be a big problem from you engineer followers

Just two videos from top scholars is all we want

Mere pyaray bhai.. chorhen ye sab baatain bus mujhay itnaa bata dein jo 3 aqeeday Engineer bhai nay " Al-Muhannad ala al-Mufannad " kitaab say bataayen hain unka jawab mil kar laazmi dena hai? yaar Maulan Tariq masood saahb bus aik video bana de and iska jawab de dein na ? kyun nahi detay jawab bus itna kahtay hain kay i can defend? asal main usnay milnaa tha hi nahi kyun kay wo kisi soorat in aqeedon ko defend kar hi nahi sakta tau bus apni laaj rakhnay kay liye ye sab drama kiya.. warna ye kya baat huwi kay jaakay wahan video banao kay 48 gantay main jawab do video say.. tau seedha academy kyun nahi chala gaya?

 

[Mentee]

mehdi

His status is legitimate as revealed by the sayings of The Prophet Saww. Sunni and shias both have consensus on his personality but differ in details of his arrival- -----.

 

[Areesh]

Mere pyaray bhai.. chorhen ye sab baatain bus mujhay itnaa bata dein jo 3 aqeeday Engineer bhai nay " Al-Muhannad ala al-Mufannad " kitaab say bataayen hain unka jawab mil kar laazmi dena hai? yaar Maulan Tariq masood saahb bus aik video bana de and iska jawab de dein na ? kyun nahi detay jawab bus itna kahtay hain kay i can defend? asal main usnay milnaa tha hi nahi kyun kay wo kisi soorat in aqeedon ko defend kar hi nahi sakta tau bus apni laaj rakhnay kay liye ye sab drama kiya.. warna ye kya baat huwi kay jaakay wahan video banao kay 48 gantay main jawab do video say.. tau seedha academy kyun nahi chala gaya?

Kiyun dain jawab? Kaun hai yeh engineer?

Ajeeb mazaq laga rakha hai is joker k bachai nai. Sub is ko jawab dain. Yeh kisi ko jawab na dai

Khud videos main open challenge karta hai aur jab bolo k aao un challenges par baat karo to dramai shuru kar daita hai k nahi in aqeedon par baat karo

Agar Mualana Tariq Masood drama kar rahai thai to engineer kyun 48 hours k liye ghaib ho gaya? Drama maulana kar rahai hain aur ghaib engineer ho gaya

Academy bhi log gaye hain aur yeh us waqt bhi chup kar baith gaya tha. Isi liye is dafa academy nahi gaye balkai is ko 48 hours diye thai reply k liye aur yeh us main bhi nakam raha

Is munafiq ko bolo k thori himmat karai. Aur kabhi aaye munazarai par. InshaAllah is k taman shauq poorai kar dain gai

Brother This isn't that simple as you may like it to project for firqah defence. The Hanafi followers at large subscribe to these mumbo jumbo.

Don't spit in the water not because its a bad thing but paani vala peer rehta hai------.

Can you guys please stop lying?

You guys have failed to bring one article or video from a reliable hanafi source and still lying to defend that fraud engineer?

Yaar thori sharam karo. Ya to proof do ya muh band rakho. Ajeeb log ho. Had hoti hai jhoot ki

 

[I.R.A]

Does that mean this specific myth was coined east of Euphrates then exported to Greek o Roman pagan society as Poseidon later to be known as saint George, which iam not sure about ,after the advent of Christianity and then embraced by the sufi/Gnostic orders of Islam as khizar?

I am only aware that Musa Peace be upon him met a servant of ALLAH to seek wisdom and knowledge. There is also a mention of forgetting a place (river) where supposedly their (Musa had a companion with him on this journey) food a fish slid away into the water (no idea if it regained life there or not, as some propose that it was the place that had abb e hayat (fountain of life) which Khizar also had drunk and he is immortal).

Some of the mentions in Quran are references to people and places before the advent of final revelations, like there is mention of a person who was given divine revelations but he went astray and followed his own whims and wishes (now we can interpret it as a prophet or a messenger who became an infidel).

Bat yeh hy k hum say phelay jo ho chuka ho chuka, itni gehrai may ja kay kya hasil ho ga, bus ibraat pakrain aur apnay app pay dehan dain, yeh sab behas o mubahisay faltoo k la hasil hain. Koi b cheez kahi say b sunain phelay ussay Quran Pak ki kasoti pay parkhain, bat samj lagay to palay band lain na lagay to dehan phair lain. Quran k ilawa sab cheezo kay sacha honay k mutalik sawal kia ja skta hy.

Ap k liay lazim hy kay ap 1. ALLAH Pak ki wahadat pay iman rakhain 2. ALLAH Pak kay Malaika pay eman rakhain 3. ALLAH Pak kay tamam Ambia pay eman rakhain 4. ALLAH Pak ki tamam kitabo pay eman rakhain aur 5. Roz e Akhirat aur qaim honay walay meezan pay eman rakhain .................... baki tareekh aur riwayat ka mutaliah karain par you know tareekh His Story he hy Harf e Quran nai.

 

[Trango Towers]

Kiyun dain jawab? Kaun hai yeh engineer?

Ajeeb mazaq laga rakha hai is joker k bachai nai. Sub is ko jawab dain. Yeh kisi ko jawab na dai

Khud videos main open challenge karta hai aur jab bolo k aao un challenges par baat karo to dramai shuru kar daita hai k nahi in aqeedon par baat karo

Agar Mualana Tariq Masood drama kar rahai thai to engineer kyun 48 hours k liye ghaib ho gaya? Drama maulana kar rahai hain aur ghaib engineer ho gaya

Academy bhi log gaye hain aur yeh us waqt bhi chup kar baith gaya tha. Isi liye is dafa academy nahi gaye balkai is ko 48 hours diye thai reply k liye aur yeh us main bhi nakam raha

Is munafiq ko bolo k thori himmat karai. Aur kabhi aaye munazarai par. InshaAllah is k taman shauq poorai kar dain gai


Can you guys please stop lying?

You guys have failed to bring one article or video from a reliable hanafi source and still lying to defend that fraud engineer?

Yaar thori sharam karo. Ya to proof do ya muh band rakho. Ajeeb log ho. Had hoti hai jhoot ki

All the clergy are the worst enemies of Islam. For little gain in fame and fortune they mislead millions.
Please read quran with meaning. You don't need a molvi. You have direct link with Allah. We are not Christians that salvation is through a priest.

 

[I.R.A]

His status is legitimate as revealed by the sayings of The Prophet Saww. Sunni and shias both have consensus on his personality but differ in details of his arrival- -----.

Truck ki batti hy bai, fictional character hy jin sahib nay yeh kirdar mutarif karwaya tha wo kalay turbans wali army lay k aik dafa nikal chukay hain Abbasids k khilaf.

Aisay kirdar honay ki waja say Musalman bus tawakal kar k baith jatay hain kay Mehdi Sahib ay gay tou sab bhala changa ho jy ga, uss waqt tak kuch na karo bus sabar karo.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Kiyun dain jawab? Kaun hai yeh engineer?

Ajeeb mazaq laga rakha hai is joker k bachai nai. Sub is ko jawab dain. Yeh kisi ko jawab na dai

Khud videos main open challenge karta hai aur jab bolo k aao un challenges par baat karo to dramai shuru kar daita hai k nahi in aqeedon par baat karo

Agar Mualana Tariq Masood drama kar rahai thai to engineer kyun 48 hours k liye ghaib ho gaya? Drama maulana kar rahai hain aur ghaib engineer ho gaya

Academy bhi log gaye hain aur yeh us waqt bhi chup kar baith gaya tha. Isi liye is dafa academy nahi gaye balkai is ko 48 hours diye thai reply k liye aur yeh us main bhi nakam raha

Is munafiq ko bolo k thori himmat karai. Aur kabhi aaye munazarai par. InshaAllah is k taman shauq poorai kar dain gai


Can you guys please stop lying?

You guys have failed to bring one article or video from a reliable hanafi source and still lying to defend that fraud engineer?

Yaar thori sharam karo. Ya to proof do ya muh band rakho. Ajeeb log ho. Had hoti hai jhoot ki

Mere bhai ab ye tau aap ghussa kar rahay hain.. jawab tau wo sab videos main de chuka hai ? aap b apna koyi b sawaal puch lein wo jawab de deingay.. meri nazar main munazra karna aamnay samnay bethna koyi zaroori nahi.. aik topic pay dono ki videos sun lo apko idea ho jayega kon quran wa saheeh hadees say baat kar raha aur kon baghair quran wa hadees kay..

Bhai usool tau yahi hai na sab say pahlay Quran phir sunnat wa hadees phir ijmaah ummat and then aata hai qiyas yani imam abu haneefa, imam shafi etc? agar sahih hadees say aik sahabi aik chez batata aur imam abu haneefa ya shaafi kuch aur tau apko kis ki baat maanni chahiye jabkay unkay daleel mai hadees b na ho just qiyas kiya ho??

e,g namaz e janaza ka hi dekh lo jis main sorah fateha sahih muslim abdullah ibn abbas say saabit hai but uskay against aik hadees zaeef hadees b nahi kay nahi parhna chahiye tau phir sab hanfi surah faateha kyun nahi parhtay?

 

[Areesh]

All the clergy are the worst enemies of Islam.

Bullsh!t

Yes some clerics can be and are indeed driven by their own personal agenda but not all of them Muslim clergy has done a lot for Islam and yur sweeping statements are both stupid and nonsensical

Mere bhai ab ye tau aap ghussa kar rahay hain.. jawab tau wo sab videos main de chuka hai ? aap b apna koyi b sawaal puch lein wo jawab de deingay.. meri nazar main munazra karna aamnay samnay bethna koyi zaroori nahi.. aik topic pay dono ki videos sun lo apko idea ho jayega kon quran wa saheeh hadees say baat kar raha aur kon baghair quran wa hadees kay..

Bhai usool tau yahi hai na sab say pahlay Quran phir sunnat wa hadees phir ijmaah ummat and then aata hai qiyas yani imam abu haneefa, imam shafi etc? agar sahih hadees say aik sahabi aik chez batata aur imam abu haneefa ya shaafi kuch aur tau apko kis ki baat maanni chahiye jabkay unkay daleel mai hadees b na ho just qiyas kiya ho??

e,g namaz e janaza ka hi dekh lo jis main sorah fateha sahih muslim abdullah ibn abbas say saabit hai but uskay against aik hadees zaeef hadees b nahi kay nahi parhna chahiye tau phir sab hanfi surah faateha kyun nahi parhtay?

Bhai yeh video video khelnai ka koi faida nahi

Mirza ko kafi scholars nai through videos expose kar dia hai. Ab jo kami reh gayi hai woh munazarai k through poori ho jaye gi

Laikin wohi baat hai k yeh engineer kisi scholar k samain nahi bethai ga. us ko pata hai k yeh jhoota hai aur kam ilm bhi. Woh yehi videos videos khel k app jaisai logon ko baiwaqoof banata rahai ga


Abhi bhi waqt hai. Is gumrah aadmi k chungal sai nikal jao. Is admi k liye apni akhrat kharab karnai ki zaroorat nahi

Ya phir is ko bolo k himmat karai aur aaye munazarai main. Dekhtai hain k is main kitna dam hai

 

[Mentee]

but he went astray and followed his own whims and wishes (now we can interpret it as a prophet or a messenger who became an infidel).

The humble character of Quran contradicts the mythical being that is khizar. Besides a Prophet cannot go astray as he's under the direct protection and guidance of Allah Swt but an ordinary man of previous Ummah who may had been tested with angels sent to him but he rejected the warning like the jews of Babylon coming into contact with angels haroot and maroot-------.

Bullsh!t

Yes some clerics can be and are indeed driven by their own personal agenda but not all of them Muslim clergy has done a lot for Islam and yur sweeping statements are both stupid and nonsensical



Bhai yeh video video khelnai ka koi faida nahi

Mirza ko kafi scholars nai through videos expose kar dia hai. Ab jo kami reh gayi hai woh munazarai k through poori ho jaye gi

Laikin wohi baat hai k yeh engineer kisi scholar k samain nahi bethai ga. us ko pata hai k yeh jhoota hai aur kam ilm bhi. Woh yehi videos videos khel k app jaisai logon ko baiwaqoof banata rahai ga


Abhi bhi waqt hai. Is gumrah aadmi k chungal sai nikal jao. Is admi k liye apni akhrat kharab karnai ki zaroorat nahi

Ya phir is ko bolo k himmat karai aur aaye munazarai main. Dekhtai hain k is main kitna dam hai

Brother those agenda driven clerics influenced many millions . Ummah's ranks have been compromised with the martyrdom of Ali A.s , seemingly the last bastion against the magis/cabals of this earth which The Prophet Saww warned cyrus about.

 

[I.R.A]

The humble character of Quran contradicts the mythical being that is khizar.

If we had such mythical characters watching out for us, we won't be in our current mess.

Besides a Prophet cannot go astray as he's under the direct protection and guidance of Allah Swt but an ordinary man of previous Ummah who may had been tested with angels sent to him but he rejected the warning like the jews of Babylon coming into contact with angels haroot and maroot-------.

ALLAH knows best

"Recite unto them the tale of him to whom We gave Our revelations, but he sloughed them off, so Satan overtook him and he became of those who lead astray." 7:175

 

[Mentee]

Truck ki batti hy bai, fictional character hy jin sahib nay yeh kirdar mutarif karwaya tha wo kalay turbans wali army lay k aik dafa nikal chukay hain Abbasids k khilaf.

Aisay kirdar honay ki waja say Musalman bus tawakal kar k baith jatay hain kay Mehdi Sahib ay gay tou sab bhala changa ho jy ga, uss waqt tak kuch na karo bus sabar karo.

Allah swt is Kareem , He delivered Israelites from pharaohs, muslims from pagans of Makkah, indian subcontinent from central Asian hordes of invaders who happened to be muslim through east india company then again the loyal subjects from crown by unleashing the Reich upon the crown.

It has now become almost impossible for a few righteous men and women to put resistance to the chief sorcerers who dictate the psychopathic kings of the earth behind the scenes . And then there's still some unfinshed business left for Prophet Esa A.s -------. Allah Swt may intervene at any time to purge the earth off its plagues and for this we need a man who can establish The Devine Kingdom one more time .

 

[Mentee]

If we had such mythical characters watching out for us, we won't be in our current mess.



ALLAH knows best

"Recite unto them the tale of him to whom We gave Our revelations, but he sloughed them off, so Satan overtook him and he became of those who lead astray." 7:175

Allah swt did also communicate with cane and offered him redemption if he repent but his husbandry and ability to receive guidance got cursed for his stubbornes and he went on his way to rule over sin in Dravidia where he invented his own mystery religion to spook the people into giving him bowl of rice etc coz the land won't respond to his hand . Is this verse related to him?