I just haven't figured out as to why Muslims in England are far more radicalized than any other place in the western world. The UK government seriously needs to curb down on these guys
Because they are lazy and losers, living on govt aid. They don't strive for betterment of living condition. Majority of slums are developed by Muslims,who been settled their over a century.
They point finger at west of their failures. They have non quality of true muslims. They are not muslims according to Quranic description.
They are LOSERS.
Haider, I would be wary of condemning a whole community as 'lazy and losers' but I would agree that the Muslims (primarily Pakistani) in the UK are amongst the least socially mobile of the immigrant communities in the UK. There is certainly a tendency among Muslims in the West to self segregate and form 'ghettos' leading the community on a downward spiral of poverty and deprivation.
I have had the benefit of observing this phenomena in action in different parts of the country over the years. I used to visit family in Birmingham regularly over the years and have been surprised by the changing ethnic character of certain neighbourhoods in that city in recent times. In addition to white flight from inner city Birmingham, one finds that the Pakistani community has remained stuck along with the blacks in some of the poorest parts of the city whilst the Indians have steadily encroached into the more well off white neighbourhoods. One can observe a similar trend in parts of East and West London, where many Indians have left to be replaced by poorer communities of Somalis whilst the Pakistanis have stayed put. This is also true of other European cities, especially in Spain and Italy, where migration from the subcontinent is a relatively recent phenomena (i.e.large Muslim communities living in deprived neighbourhoods)
In the UK, children from Pakistani and Bangladeshi backgrounds do poorly at school, both communities has very poor rates of labour market participation and are under represented in professional occupations (I work in one of the 'top three' professions and have had very few Pakistani and no Bangladeshi colleagues over the years)Whilst it is tempting to attribute the relative failure of Muslim communities in the UK (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Somalis alike) to prosper to fewer opportunities due to institutional racism and discrimination, it certainly appears to have affected them disproportionally to, say, the Indians or the Chinese. It may well be that there were fundamental differences among the original immigrant communities making any direct comparison tricky but both Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities have had two generations to get their act together but appear to have failed miserably.
Given the long history of migration from the subcontinent to these shores, I think UK can be considered a 'test case', that provides an indication of how Muslim immigrant communities may fare in other Western societies.
At the risk of sounding cliched, I believe the above is the result of not just economic but also cultural segregation, both of which exist in a sort of a vicious cycle, that muslim communities in the West have to some extent chosen to impose on themselves. They have in some ways made the choice not to participate in Western society whilst living in it, which I believe is largely due to the widespread culturally and religiously informed mistrust of the West in the community. I remember coming across a 'Muslim Trade Directory' listing all Muslim owned businesses in the city in Birmingham a few years ago which was being widely circulated in the community with the suggestion that Muslims only do business with their own. For political Islam to thrive, it needs to portray the struggle that took place between early Muslims and Jews/Polytheists in a contemporary context and I feel such ideas of 'otherness' and 'perpetual strife' are being constantly reinforced among muslims in the West by forces inimical to the West who exert enormous control over the community through mosques and other cultural institutions.
Check this video to see how Wahhabis have taken over the biggest mosques in the UK. Note that the MCB, which Paladin was banding about as a reformist organisation, is one of the patrons of the Green Mosque
Dispatches - Undercover Mosque
The spread of radicalism among Muslims in the UK is not to be underestimated..A survey by Channel 4 a few years ago found that over 25% of UK muslims consider 7/7 to have been an 'inside job' despite martyrdom videos of the bombers..
And this insidious subversion eventually leads to a rejection of Western state and values, resulting in this..
and increasing friction with other communities and ultimate segregation of society. Check out how this is playing out in Blackburn, Lancashire, North England
I don`t know how this is all going to end (probably badly for the West unless Muslims wake up soon and tackle extremists in their midst) but my immediate concern is the potential for radicalised British Muslim youth to carry out acts of terror across the world with little hindrance due to the freedom of movement the burgundy passport affords them..
I am sure you would agree that most of what I have mentioned above is also relevant to Pakistan and other countries that are currently witnessing a struggle between political Islam and Western values and systems of governance.
