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No one wants to copy your drones, US has far more and better suicide drones than Iran. They're studying your weapon to counter it better.

No they don't, all the US has are small loitering drones. By default Iran has better ones. And even if they did create one, it wouldn't match the low unit cost of Iranian drones. Cope and seethe jew.
 
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No they don't, all the US has are small loitering drones. By default Iran has better ones. And even if they did create one, it wouldn't match the low unit cost of Iranian drones. Cope and seethe jew.
America has bombers that can can wipe entire large bases, they can call in a strike within moments, the shaheed drone is a great drone it does save cost against an adversary who isn’t as prepared, I would rather have a bomber that can hit a target in moments, yes it costs more, than a drone that might take from 1 to 4 hours to reach to hit a target in Ukraine, based on how fast they supposedly travel, I would rather have a fateh missile that I believe can hit Mach 4 that can destroy entire city blocks.
 
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No they don't, all the US has are small loitering drones. By default Iran has better ones. And even if they did create one, it wouldn't match the low unit cost of Iranian drones. Cope and seethe jew.
Another idiot thinking Iranian drone is special.
Israel had such drones since the 1989. United States has the Switchblade which is way better and can actually be controlled and not some primitive shitty drone. I'm sure they have a bigger version of it as well.

Such a drone is made out of commercially available materials and would cost around the same in the US, except for manufacturing costs since Iranians are working for slave labor level money due to their shitty economic state.

No they don't, all the US has are small loitering drones. By default Iran has better ones. And even if they did create one, it wouldn't match the low unit cost of Iranian drones. Cope and seethe jew.
Crappy Iranian drones work only because Ukraine has gaps in its radars and because their systems aren't linked together in a data link. Those Iranian drones are so slow and fly at relatively high altitudes, they're easily interceptable.
 
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America has bombers that can can wipe entire large bases, they can call in a strike within moments, the shaheed drone is a great drone it does save cost against an adversary who isn’t as prepared, I would rather have a bomber that can hit a target in moments, yes it costs more, than a drone that might take from 1 to 4 hours to reach to hit a target in Ukraine, based on how fast they supposedly travel, I would rather have a fateh missile that I believe can hit Mach 4 that can destroy entire city blocks.
A bomber wouldnt last 2 minutes over hostile airspace. With modern ad systems. Losing a single bomber is also a huge hit to capability and morale.

The ukies film anything and everything. There are hundreds of shahed videos. But you can count on 1 hand the number of visually destroyed shaheds

If the ukies are taking them out at 85%+ theyre would be far more evidence and far less butthurt

Also people need to realize that every weapon system is a balance of cost, performance/quality, and speed of production. You can only have 2 of those things

Western doctrine is to throw mountains of cash to make a “high quality” weapon. At the cost of price and production capability

Iran is humiliating their doctrine 1 shahed at a time and making them look like fools

Western insudtry can never ever produce a shahed. As the price point would be so high, that it would negate the advantages it has. (200k shahed that is hard and slow to produce is useless)

Shahed is perfect in its current form until a viable and reliable countrr can be found. Adding more bells and whistles will actually take away from its pros in my opinion
 
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A bomber wouldnt last 2 minutes over hostile airspace. With modern ad systems. Losing a single bomber is also a huge hit to capability and morale.

The ukies film anything and everything. There are hundreds of shahed videos. But you can count on 1 hand the number of visually destroyed shaheds

If the ukies are taking them out at 85%+ theyre would be far more evidence and far less butthurt

Also people need to realize that every weapon system is a balance of cost, performance/quality, and speed of production. You can only have 2 of those things

Western doctrine is to throw mountains of cash to make a “high quality” weapon. At the cost of price and production capability

Iran is humiliating their doctrine 1 shahed at a time and making them look like fools

Western insudtry can never ever produce a shahed. As the price point would be so high, that it would negate the advantages it has. (200k shahed that is hard and slow to produce is useless)

Shahed is perfect in its current form until a viable and reliable countrr can be found. Adding more bells and whistles will actually take away from its pros in my opinion
Since most of those missiles are fired far away from the battlefield, that’s why they are called stand off missiles, yes cost is more but the firepower of one these bombers is more than hundreds of drones, 70000 pounds of ordnance versus a hundred drones , drone warfare is the future but it doesn’t mean it’s there yet. Also again f 35 have never been tested against a real adversary, no one really knows if Israel has ever used them against Syria, but if the hype is real they could easily bomb targets in many airspace’s of the world without much of a scratch. Okay family time going to the park.
 
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A bomber wouldnt last 2 minutes over hostile airspace. With modern ad systems. Losing a single bomber is also a huge hit to capability and morale.

The ukies film anything and everything. There are hundreds of shahed videos. But you can count on 1 hand the number of visually destroyed shaheds

If the ukies are taking them out at 85%+ theyre would be far more evidence and far less butthurt

Also people need to realize that every weapon system is a balance of cost, performance/quality, and speed of production. You can only have 2 of those things

Western doctrine is to throw mountains of cash to make a “high quality” weapon. At the cost of price and production capability

Iran is humiliating their doctrine 1 shahed at a time and making them look like fools

Western insudtry can never ever produce a shahed. As the price point would be so high, that it would negate the advantages it has. (200k shahed that is hard and slow to produce is useless)

Shahed is perfect in its current form until a viable and reliable countrr can be found. Adding more bells and whistles will actually take away from its pros in my opinion
A B2 stealth bomber or a B21 raider will fly above any airspace you want with as many shitty S400s as you want

Shahed is perfect in its current form until a viable and reliable countrr can be found. Adding more bells and whistles will actually take away from its pros in my opinion
It's just a shitty copy of Harpy drone lol
 
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America has bombers that can can wipe entire large bases, they can call in a strike within moments, the shaheed drone is a great drone it does save cost against an adversary who isn’t as prepared,
YOu're using a fallacy here by comparing a real situation (Shahed 136's record in Ukraine war of being VERY sexy and deadly and having denazifying traits) to a hypothetical one - "America has bombers that can can wipe entire", which you cant do.

The fact and realities of the Ukraine war proves the Shahed 136 is more useful and effective there, so far at least, than any hypothetical US bomber thats sitting in Florida and will never fly soon to Erope for war probably.

It's just a shitty copy of Harpy drone lol
Then why didnt neither Russia or Ukraine buy Israeli Harpies in large numbers for their current war? Proof is in the pudding- Harpy's live in Israel, to reassure your fragile IDF that things will be ok when the next round of fighting comes.
 
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Why are you surprised the apparently most advanced military on earth - NATO, that couldnt beat the backwards Taliban in the Afganistan war, would be able to come up with quick and effective solutions to the Shahed 136 problem in Ukraine?

And you know Ukraine is lying when it says its intercepting 85% of the S-136s in Ukraine? lool...it seems like for Ukraine, the worse Ukraine's military does, the more Shaheds UAF shoots down. Ukraine can only live a lie for so long.

Apparently Ukraine lost 200K forces in the war so far. Green novice smoke packs Cannon fodder army.
I think any NATO country is technically capable, but they dont have the willing to do it. and without doubt USA can do it in a few hours if they want, but it seems they dont want, they want a endless Ukraine war to damage Russia, and test expensive weapons, they dont want efficient cheap solutions.

So it's up to Ukraine to trust in themselves only and do it.

By the other side it's hard to understand why Kyiv is not Glonass-Free-Zone.

The whole city shouold have Glonass jammers working 24/7.

I guess some flying things like Shaheds can have directional glonass antennas pointing to sky, so it's useless a glonass jammer in the ground.

But they can do something like that


Just to with glonass jammers over Kyiv. Putting glonass jammers in balloons.

 
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A B2 stealth bomber or a B21 raider will fly above any airspace you want with as many shitty S400s as you want


It's just a shitty copy of Harpy drone lol
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YOu're using a fallacy here by comparing a real situation (Shahed 136's record in Ukraine war of being VERY sexy and deadly and having denazifying traits) to a hypothetical one - "America has bombers that can can wipe entire", which you cant do.

The fact and realities of the Ukraine war proves the Shahed 136 is more useful and effective there, so far at least, than any hypothetical US bomber thats sitting in Florida and will never fly soon to Erope for war probably.


Then why didnt neither Russia or Ukraine buy Israeli Harpies in large numbers for their current war? Proof is in the pudding- Harpy's live in Israel, to reassure your fragile IDF that things will be ok when the next round of fighting comes.
yes I know it’s not a fair comparison, but it was saying drone warfare still is awhile away from taking over a modern battlefield, that’s the only thing I’m saying the shaheed drones are performing better than anyone ever expected. Most modern anti aircraft can down a b 52 height, but trying to down a shaheed drone seems to a lot harder, also wouldn’t call shaheed drone crappy, they seem to be doing the job, I’d be afraid if those drones were shot off at sea at Israel , I highly doubt Israel southern front sea is as defended as their northern front,pretty sure the Iranians know that
 
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Another idiot thinking Iranian drone is special.
Israel had such drones since the 1989. United States has the Switchblade which is way better and can actually be controlled and not some primitive shitty drone. I'm sure they have a bigger version of it as well.

Such a drone is made out of commercially available materials and would cost around the same in the US, except for manufacturing costs since Iranians are working for slave labor level money due to their shitty economic state.

Crappy Iranian drones work only because Ukraine has gaps in its radars and because their systems aren't linked together in a data link. Those Iranian drones are so slow and fly at relatively high altitudes, they're easily interceptable.

Iranian drones are controllable as well. The US has Switchblade 600, which is still smaller than Shahed. And that "primitive drone" has been systematically destroying khohol military and energy infrastructure for over a month now, pretty good for primitive work imo.

I'm sure Switchblades costs 70k a unit because the workers are just payed higher wages! Yes, of course! Not the cost multipliers that MIC slaps on their overpriced garbage to milk their government. And even if they didn't, Shahed would be cheaper.

Yes they are intercepted with expensive AD missiles, kinda half the point. There is no near-term panacea against these drones when used in swarms.

Now piss off Shlomo, you're polluting this great thread with your nasty jewish pilpul tactics!
 
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Reading this is literally mind-blowing,its an article by the new york times which purports to show the ukrainians "success" at "pioneering successful techniques in the difficult art of anti-drone warfare"


‘We Heard It, We Saw It, Then We Opened Fire’
With an intense, hastily assembled effort, the Ukrainian military is pioneering successful techniques in the difficult art of anti-drone warfare.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/23/world/europe/ukraine-russia-drones-iran.html
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Police officers in Kyiv, Ukraine, trying to shoot down a drone during an attack on Oct. 17. The drone was believed to be an Iranian-made Shahed-136, purchased by Russia in August:guns: 😮

By Andrew E. Kramer
Oct. 23, 2022


KYIV, Ukraine — Directed by ground controllers tracking a drone on radar, a Ukrainian fighter jet pilot, code-named Juice, streaked through the sky in pursuit, hoping to sneak up behind the slow-moving Iranian-made craft and take it down with a missile.
But on this day, as on many others, Juice found nothing.
Shooting down noisy, propeller-driven Iranian-made drones is a frustrating business and harder than it might seem. It takes multiple actors on the ground and in the air working closely together for 24 hours a day.
“The last few weeks were very busy, very exhausting for us,” Juice said of the air war against the drones, dozens of which Russia has deployed daily. “It’s still very, very difficult to shoot them down.”
The war in Ukraine is now fought in two mostly separate arenas: on the ground in the south and east, where the Ukrainian Army has the upper hand, and in the air, where Russia is firing long-range missiles and deploying the exploding Iranian-made drones to cripple the electrical and heating infrastructure in Ukrainian cities in the hopes of demoralizing the population.

Since Russia began terrorizing Ukrainian cities in September with the drones, Ukraine has turned its focus to an intense counter-drone strategy, made up on the fly but often surprisingly successful.
Currently, it consists of three layers of protection: fighter jets that patrol around the clock; ground-fired antiaircraft missiles; and teams of soldiers with machine guns who try to shoot the drones down as they fly past.
The hardest part is simply finding the drones, Juice said. On radar, the small, plodding drones can be confused with migrating birds or trucks on a highway. Ground controllers identify potential targets and direct jets to intercept them, but often the pilots come up empty.

Despite the hurdles, the Ukrainian military is now routinely shooting down more than 70 percent of the Shahed-136 drones Russia purchased from Iran in August, Yuriy Sak, an adviser to the Ukrainian minister of defense, said in an interview.

Ukraine shot down the first such drone in the country’s east on Sept. 13 and has since downed at least 237, the Ukrainian military said in a statement last week. “We are trying to quickly adapt to the new reality,” Mr. Sak said.

Exploding drones are a rapidly emerging class of weapons that are proliferating around the world and likely to become a staple of modern armed conflicts, military analysts say. That is a point that Ukrainian officials have been making in seeking air defense assistance from their allies. If Ukraine can learn to shoot the drones down with its three-pronged effort, allied countries’ militaries could reap the benefits of this hard-won experience, Mr. Sak said.

There have been notable successes.

One Ukrainian MiG pilot won folk hero status in Ukraine this month for shooting down five Iranian Shahed-136 drones over the central Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia, only to be forced to eject after crashing into the debris of the last one. The pilot, Karaya — who identified himself by only his nickname, according to military policy — told the local news media afterward, “Within a short period of time, we are adapting to this kind of weapon and are starting to destroy it successfully.”

After colliding with the airborne debris, he said, Karaya steered his MiG away from Vinnytsia and ejected. The jet crashed into houses in an outlying area, but injured nobody on the ground. Karaya later visited the site to apologize.

“I visited the scene, said I was sorry for the discomfort I caused the residents and thanked them for their steel nerves,” he wrote on Instagram, saying he showed up in his tattered uniform, missing epaulets. He joked that it was a violation of military protocol. “Lost them while leaving the office,” he wrote.
While fighter jets have been effective against Iranian drones, said Yurii Ignat, a Ukrainian Air Force spokesman, the approach is costly because of its use of air-to-air missiles. “It’s frustrating that we must hit these drones with expensive missiles,” he said. “What else can we do? This is the reality now.”
Before Russia’s arsenal included the Iranian-made drones, beginning in August, Ukraine had an edge in drone warfare.

Ukrainian soldiers along the front line flew off-the-shelf commercial drones to spot targets and drop grenades on Russian trenches. The United States has supplied Ukraine with its Switchblade drones, a type of exploding drone. Ukraine has also deployed Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 drones — larger, longer-range craft that surveil the battlefield and fire guided missiles.

In August, the United States promised that within the next nine months it would deliver to Ukraine a small, compact counter-drone missile system that could be mounted on the back of an ordinary pickup truck. The so-called Vampire system is a newly developed anti-drone technology that can reach out farther than a machine gun, but is portable enough to be driven quickly into the path of incoming drones.
After a drone swarm attack on Kyiv on Monday, Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, appealed to Israel for air defense weapons. The plea was rebuffed by Israel’s minister of defense, Benny Gantz, largely because Israel depends on Russian cooperation for the Israeli Air Force to conduct raids in Syria. Israel, he said, would provide early warning systems, but not air defense weapons.
Mr. Sak, the adviser to the Ukrainian defense minister, said Israel could be missing an opportunity to hone its tactics in facing down threats in its own territory by assisting in the counter-drone efforts now underway in Ukraine.
“These Iranian drones that are hitting Ukrainian cities were not developed, not meant for Ukraine,” Mr. Sak said. “They were developed as a mass capability to strike Israel. They are using Ukraine as a testing ground, to see weaknesses, to perfect them, and sooner or later they will use them against Israel.”
A Ukrainian official, speaking off the record, has said Israel has provided intelligence useful for targeting the Iranian drones.

The drones, when in flight, also have a distinctive buzz from their small engines, which has proved a vulnerability.
In Kyiv, three policemen shot down one drone with their Kalashnikov rifles after hearing the buzz, described by witnesses as sounding like a chain-saw engine, and then seeing the triangular weapon fly toward them over rooftops.
“There was very little time to make a decision,” said Sgt. Oleksandr Kravchuk, who is a shooting instructor with the police department.
He said he fired all 30 rounds in his magazine, trying to aim in front of the craft to account for its speed in flight. The drone veered off course and crashed, blowing up about 75 yards from where he was standing, Sergeant Kravchuk said in an interview.
“We heard it, we saw it, then we opened fire,” he said.
I've been meaning to post this, but have been busy last 46 hours.

Nothing really new in this but still a fine read.

Problems they don't mention is firstly night flight (Without appropriate gear, most soldiers can't open fire with any success).
They also do not mention when the fighter pulls up, if they do not fly low enough, they are under threat from Russian S-300/400 systems. Flying low to intercept these birds carries alot of extra difficulties.

They are desperate for new AD systems otherwise their ability to defend themselves will periodically decline. They need quantity more than quality at the moment.
these drones seem to use a rocket assist in take off. Anyone know details?
Not much to it.

Little booster rocket gets it off the launcher so its engine can operate
 
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The rumours about Arash-2 has not subsided. Anyone know where the origin of this rumour was?

More flights
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Trigger alert;

...Our source explains why Belarus is being saturated with kamikaze drones and several units of UAV operators are being created there.
From the territory of the Republic of Belarus it is very easy to hit the objects of western Ukraine and Kyiv, where the flight time is only 2-4 hours for Gerani-2.

Another source indicates that on the other side, the Office of the President previously removed all air defense installations, creating huge “holes”, which allowed the RF Armed Forces to easily open Ukrainian defenses and strike at critical and military facilities in the rear.

All sources are sure that there are huge problems in the air defense case, but the authorities do not talk about them.
It will not be possible to build a unified air defense / missile defense control system - the components are too diverse, which are not coordinated even within NATO, and it is almost impossible to combine them with Soviet models.

Therefore, the Office of the President always uses a strategy of inflating the results of downed missiles and UAVs in order to maintain high morale among the masses.

-Legitimnyy
 
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I've been meaning to post this, but have been busy last 46 hours.

Nothing really new in this but still a fine read.

Problems they don't mention is firstly night flight (Without appropriate gear, most soldiers can't open fire with any success).
They also do not mention when the fighter pulls up, if they do not fly low enough, they are under threat from Russian S-300/400 systems. Flying low to intercept these birds carries alot of extra difficulties.

They are desperate for new AD systems otherwise their ability to defend themselves will periodically decline. They need quantity more than quality at the moment.

Not much to it.

Little booster rocket gets it off the launcher so its engine can operate
One of the anti drone systems that the us is rumored to be thinking of sending is the
🧛‍♂️Vampire🧛‍♂️ "DUM DUM DUUUMMM" [ominous intro ]
By the way,its not just some silly name thats been chosen at random,its an even sillier acronym:
Vehicle-Agnostic Modular Palletized ISR Rocket Equipment system :haha:
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It uses laser guided APKWS type rockets,so its fairly cheap [compared to the alternatives]
You can read about it here:
https://www.l3harris.com/all-capabilities/vampire
I think overall tho,that I prefer irans AD-08 sam system,however I did like the vampires telescoping mount for its optronic system.
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This would be a very good potential feature to add to a larger 8 to 12 missile equipped version of the AD-08,as it would improve the ability of the system to detect and engage very low flying drones,plus it would also provide a potential secondary capability to engage vehicles or other ground based targets.
 
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