Iran's drones vs missiles vs aircrafts

[Beny Karachun]

Don’t be so confident juden

I mean we already killed hundreds of Iranians, including dozens of officers. I'm pretty confident.

 

[Battlion25]

Your issue is that you are qouting fantasy conflicts like 7 times lol as I said you are fanatical and willing to believe in romantics of your people but that is not how things are.. Okay we get it you love your people but that doesn't mean everything and all outfalls will become your romantism.

Example If Iran were to fight China they will get absolutely ruined and defeated... Or Pakistan vs China we will get defeated after a prolonged conflict in 1v1 scenario in a conventional conflict. I don't live in bubbles but rather I follow the probable outcomes..

I can only discuss realities not fantasy or in a game of thrones world were Israel is assumed god by you it is just fanatical and not realistic not even MMM-E is that deluded

 

[Trisolaran]

Anti tank? Trophy takes care of that.
Anti aircraft and air defense system? Yeah, F-35s, Harpy, Harop, a bunch of long range weapons our satellites, our ballistic missiles take care of those. Drones and tanks? They can't do shit.

Bring our airforce down? There is literally no army in a 5000 meters radius that can do that, let alone one of our enemies.


Was never a factor in our wars


Nothing more than a wishful thinking. All of those living a luxury life have been in the military, which is not luxurious to say the least.


Literally not even one of our enemies can take us in a ground war.

The way I see it, Israel has the confidence of Russia before they invaded Ukraine,
As far as I know, Iran has developed a hypersonic missile and no air defense system in the world is capable of intercepting hypersonic missiles.
If Iran destroys Israel's air bases with such missiles in a possible war, Hezbollah and Hamas will attack from the ground instead of the Iranian army and Palestinian population of the West Bank will join them too as we seen how they are already being big problem in Palestinian cities such as Jenin.
It is impossible to defeat Iran without the support of the Arabs and the USA.

Your issue is that you are qouting fantasy conflicts like 7 lol as I said you are fanatical and willing to believe in romantics of your people but that is not how things are.. Okay we get it you love your people but that doesn't mean everything and all outfalls will become your romantism.

Example If Iran were to fight China they will get absolutely ruined and defeated... Or Pakistan vs China we will get defeated after a prolonged conflict in 1v1 scenario in a conventional conflict. I don't live in bubbles but rather I follow the probable outcomes..

I can only discuss realities not fantasy or in a game of thrones world were Israel is assumed god by you it is just fanatical and not realistic not even MMM-E is that deluded

Damn MMM-E realy f*cked up our reputation

 

[Battlion25]

Damn MMM-E realy f*cked up our reputation

MMM-E was actully quite knowledgable in military gear and systems etc etc probably most knowledgable guy in that regard outside of @Philip the Arab in all of PDF. He was learned but he was too patriotic at times. He was a hardcore grey-wolf

 

[Beny Karachun]

The way I see it, Israel has the confidence of Russia before they invaded Ukraine,
As far as I know, Iran has developed a hypersonic missile and no air defense system in the world is capable of intercepting hypersonic missiles.
If Iran destroys Israel's air bases with such missiles in a possible war, Hezbollah and Hamas will attack from the ground instead of the Iranian army and Palestinian population of the West Bank will join them too as we seen how they are already being big problem in Palestinian cities such as Jenin.
It is impossible to defeat Iran without the support of the Arabs and the USA.

Unlike Russia, we actually win wars.
Unlike Russia, the weapons we showcase are the weapons we use.
Unlike Russia, we have money to equip all of our soldiers with the best equipment.
Unlike Russia, we don't rely on equipment from the 60s.

Hypersonic glide missiles are inaccurate, they can't be used effectively without a nuclear warhead. At the terminal stage they are not nearly hypersonic, and could be easily dealt with David's Sling, Arrow 2 and Iron Dome, don't fall for the "nothing can deal with hypersonic missiles" BS, as long as a computer can calculate an interception point and the interceptor is reliable, anything can be intercepted, especially at the terminal stage where air is dense and the incoming missile is slow. Hypersonic ballistic missiles are nothing special as they're all hypersonic at high altitude and are easily detected and intercepted.

As I said, if Iran's hypersonic weapons are glide vehicles, they can't reliably hit even an airbase. If it's just ballistic missiles then they're easily interceptable.

Jenin? We enter there, kill our enemies by the dozen and leave with no problem at all, Palestinians cry about massacres in their cities a bunch of times while we have 0 casualties because our soldiers have superior training and intelligence. Hamas attack from the ground? How do you expect them to do that? run across open fields to their death? Maybe swim a bit just to die like their last attempt at that?

Hezbollah can try to enter Israel, but that would be merely in order to try and delay Israel, and it will likely fail miserably, given how Israel destroyed all of Hezbollah's tunnels in 2018. It is still possible, but Hezbollah can never hope to match even the armed citizens in the bordering cities, let alone the Israeli military.

Who said the USA and the Arabs won't enter the war against Iran? Israel doesn't play fair. USA will certainly enter the war and wipe out Iran.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Don’t be so confident juden

Put @Beny Karachun in your ignore list he want Iran to be nuked

I recon MODs to ban @Beny Karachun permanently from PDF

@waz @LeGenD @PakSword ban @Beny Karachun permanently from PDF because he want Iran to be nuked thanks

 

[Beny Karachun]

MMM-E was actully quite knowledgable in military gear and systems etc etc probably most knowledgable guy in that regard outside of @Philip the Arab in all of PDF. He was learned but he was too patriotic at times. He was a hardcore grey-wolf

In military gear, maybe. In its capabilities, hell no.
As I and @Foinikas once laughed, he would go on like:
This is TURKISH seatbelt... Greek-American-PKK-small Israel seatbelt have no chance...

 

[Iñigo]

As I see it

in the first century the fracture in "The land of Canaan" between a "people (of overlords)" and "the people of the land" ("am ha'eretz") was a fracture between the city-Temple ... and Idumea, Galilea, Perea and "an army of slaves and brigands".

And currently the fracture is similar but on a larger scale. Now "Perea" for example reaches Pakistan.

 

[Battlion25]

Unlike Russia, we actually win wars.
Unlike Russia, the weapons we showcase are the weapons we use.
Unlike Russia, we have money to equip all of our soldiers with the best equipment.
Unlike Russia, we don't rely on equipment from the 60s.

Hypersonic glide missiles are inaccurate, they can't be used effectively without a nuclear warhead. At the terminal stage they are not nearly hypersonic, and could be easily dealt with David's Sling, Arrow 2 and Iron Dome, don't fall for the "nothing can deal with hypersonic missiles" BS, as long as a computer can calculate an interception point and the interceptor is reliable, anything can be intercepted, especially at the terminal stage where air is dense and the incoming missile is slow. Hypersonic ballistic missiles are nothing special as they're all hypersonic at high altitude and are easily detected and intercepted.

As I said, if Iran's hypersonic weapons are glide vehicles, they can't reliably hit even an airbase. If it's just ballistic missiles then they're easily interceptable.

Jenin? We enter there, kill our enemies by the dozen and leave with no problem at all, Palestinians cry about massacres in their cities a bunch of times while we have 0 casualties because our soldiers have superior training and intelligence. Hamas attack from the ground? How do you expect them to do that? run across open fields to their death? Maybe swim a bit just to die like their last attempt at that?

Hezbollah can try to enter Israel, but that would be merely in order to try and delay Israel, and it will likely fail miserably, given how Israel destroyed all of Hezbollah's tunnels in 2018. It is still possible, but Hezbollah can never hope to match even the armed citizens in the bordering cities, let alone the Israeli military.

Who said the USA and the Arabs won't enter the war against Iran? Israel doesn't play fair. USA will certainly enter the war and wipe out Iran.

You didn't win 2006 and 2021 including 2014.

Besides Jenin is technically a city inside Israel for like last 70 years hence I don't understand why anyone want to use it as an example from both ends..

It is like the UK police forces storming a district in London to either arrest or kill some.. I don't even understand how it can be a discussion point. Jenin is a none military zone and couple of people may have light fire arms individually but that is about it..

However Hamas and Hezbollah ruled areas that is a different case and their own sovereign states with their own militaries there is complete deterence...

Nablus, Jenin and all these cities in West Bank is technically Israeli cities.. It is like our police forces arresting or killing some individuals in Lahore how hard is that?? Is there even a military chellenge in that

 

[Beny Karachun]

You didn't win 2006 and 2021 including 2014.

Besides Jenin is technically a city inside Israel for like last 70 years hence I don't understand why anyone want to use it as an example..

It is like the UK police forces storming a district in London to either arrest or kill some.. I don't even understand how it can be a discussion point.

However Hamas and Hezbollah ruled areas that is a different case and their own sovereign

What nonsense lol.

2006, 7:1 casualty ratio favoring Israel, Lebanon never recovers politically and economically.
2014, Israel takes out all Hamas tunnels, 1:18 casualty ratio favoring Israel.
2021, Israel buries alive a ton of Hamas members with an ingenious trick, we pretended we are about to invade with international media and tank roaring their engines, we let all of Hamas terrorists hide inside their tunnels like rats and then bombed them, like happened here, except on a much larger scale.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/naij0b

Casualty rate is 1:200~+ (Only one Israeli soldier was killed)


Jenin is a city under Palestinian rule in Palestinian cities. We just take our military and invade it whenever we want and kill whoever we need. I would send a bunch of videos but I'll get banned due to the gore.

It's not like UK police force storming a district in London, as Jenin is not an Israeli city, and the people in London are at best armed with swords and not this:

(Btw you see that little kid on the right? That's why I don't sympathize with any Palestinian death.)

 

[Trisolaran]

Unlike Russia, we actually win wars.
Unlike Russia, the weapons we showcase are the weapons we use.
Unlike Russia, we have money to equip all of our soldiers with the best equipment.
Unlike Russia, we don't rely on equipment from the 60s.

Hypersonic glide missiles are inaccurate, they can't be used effectively without a nuclear warhead. At the terminal stage they are not nearly hypersonic, and could be easily dealt with David's Sling, Arrow 2 and Iron Dome, don't fall for the "nothing can deal with hypersonic missiles" BS, as long as a computer can calculate an interception point and the interceptor is reliable, anything can be intercepted, especially at the terminal stage where air is dense and the incoming missile is slow. Hypersonic ballistic missiles are nothing special as they're all hypersonic at high altitude and are easily detected and intercepted.

As I said, if Iran's hypersonic weapons are glide vehicles, they can't reliably hit even an airbase. If it's just ballistic missiles then they're easily interceptable.

Jenin? We enter there, kill our enemies by the dozen and leave with no problem at all, Palestinians cry about massacres in their cities a bunch of times while we have 0 casualties because our soldiers have superior training and intelligence. Hamas attack from the ground? How do you expect them to do that? run across open fields to their death? Maybe swim a bit just to die like their last attempt at that?

Hezbollah can try to enter Israel, but that would be merely in order to try and delay Israel, and it will likely fail miserably, given how Israel destroyed all of Hezbollah's tunnels in 2018. It is still possible, but Hezbollah can never hope to match even the armed citizens in the bordering cities, let alone the Israeli military.

Who said the USA and the Arabs won't enter the war against Iran? Israel doesn't play fair. USA will certainly enter the war and wipe out Iran.

Russia took Crimea without firing a single bullet, captured Donetsk and Luhansk using only proxy forces, conducted successful operations in Syria and Georgia.
Than confidently, attacked Ukraine again but ignored that Ukraine learned from its mistakes and that it was prepared in the best way in last 8 years.
If a state like Ukraine can reach this level in 8 years, it would be unfair to ignore 30 years of preparation made by Iran and its proxy forces.
Of course, Israel is not a state that Iran can easily crush, but Iran is also not a state that can be easily crushed by Israel.
If there will be a war, I don't think it will end with the destruction of Iran or Israel, but it is certain that both countries will pay a heavy price.

 

[Iñigo]

...

On the other hand, the Roman imperial power, currently in the hands of Washington, may not exist in 100 years.

So I think that "our colonial project" (Jabotinsky) founded (1917-) by violent Ukrainian and Polish emigrants should perhaps set its feet on the path of Peace, I don't know, I don't know what they want.

 

[Trisolaran]

You didn't win 2006 and 2021 including 2014.

Besides Jenin is technically a city inside Israel for like last 70 years hence I don't understand why anyone want to use it as an example from both ends..

It is like the UK police forces storming a district in London to either arrest or kill some.. I don't even understand how it can be a discussion point. Jenin is a none military zone and couple of people may have light fire arms individually but that is about it..

However Hamas and Hezbollah ruled areas that is a different case and their own sovereign states with their own militaries there is complete deterence...

Nablus, Jenin and all these cities in West Bank is technically Israeli cities.. It is like our police forces arresting or killing some individuals in Lahore how hard is that?? Is there even a military chellenge in that

The issue is that in a high-security city in Israel aka Jenin, Palestinian groups made an organization to clash with the Israeli army and find the necessary equipment. This can spread to whole West bank area when Israeli forces send most of their forces to the front in a possible war

 

[Beny Karachun]

Russia took Crimea without firing a single bullet, captured Donetsk and Luhansk using only proxy forces, conducted successful operations in Syria and Georgia.
Than confidently, attacked Ukraine again but ignored that Ukraine learned from its mistakes and that it was prepared in the best way in last 8 years.
If a state like Ukraine can reach this level in 8 years, it would be unfair to ignore 30 years of preparation made by Iran and its proxy forces.
Of course, Israel is not a state that Iran can easily crush, but Iran is also not a state that can be easily crushed by Israel.
If there will be a war, I don't think it will end with the destruction of Iran or Israel, but it is certain that both countries will pay a heavy price.

Fighting helpless Ukraine in 2014 is not an achievement. Losing to Ukraine in 2022 is an utter humiliation.
Donetsk and Lugansk were captured by the Russian military, not "rebels" like Russia would like people to believe.
Iran prepared for 30 years, so did Israel. Anyway, it would be stupid to compare Israel to Russia. It's a different situation and Israel is much more similar to Ukraine than it is to Russia, and Israel's enemies are much more similar to Russia. Not only that, they're literally aligned with Russia.

If anything, the way Ukraine ****ed Russia over, should be an alarm to Iran. Russia's military equipment are a failure. Russia has used many times the missiles in Iran's hands but those have little effect. It showed how vulnerable infantry are against drones. Israel can deal with enemy drones, but what can Hezbollah do against Israeli aircraft and drones? Nothing. It showed how Russia, a country that completely outnumbers Ukraine in terms of artillery, which is the center of its doctrine, not being able to win. Iran and its proxies think their statistical weapons will win the war. That's a WW2 mentality. They will lose.

The issue is that in a high-security city in Israel aka Jenin, Palestinian groups made an organization to clash with the Israeli army and find the necessary equipment. This can spread to whole West bank area when Israeli forces send most of their forces to the front in a possible war

Jenin is not an Israeli city lol, stop lying. It is under the authority of the PA, not Israel.
Palestinians always had weapons. They just suck at using them, just this year we already killed 84 of their terrorists in the West Bank with 0 of our soldiers dead.

 

[Battlion25]

Jenin is not an Israeli city lol, stop lying. It is under the authority of the PA, not Israel.
Palestinians always had weapons. They just suck at using them, just this year we already killed 84 of their terrorists in the West Bank with 0 of our soldiers dead.

get the fuk outta here Jenin has been under the control of Israel for the last 70+ years and only PA on paper.. It is like the Iranian armed forces going into Isafhan jews quarters from time to time and killing some lightly armed elements within them