You have an inherent flaw in your logic. JF-17 has born into an era where His adversaries would be Mig29, Mirage 2000, SU-30, LCA all equipped with HMD and High bore off sight missiles. Hence many people including me wants a higher end JF-17 and drop the cost effective BS tag line at all.
@Tank131 made a great analogy. JF-17 should not become another F-7PG after 10-15 years. F-7PG has become irrelevant in today's environment isnt it ?
That nuke sub would take another 12-15 year to materialize and the need of hour is to have SLCM capability in next 5 years.
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Thank you for your post---. That is what my understanding was---that this was the image portrayed about the JF17---it would be our answer to the high end enemy aircraft---because that is what is " fearful ".
The issue is not about the potency of the F16 V or the BLK 60----they are absolutely top tier aircraft---the issue is of delivery---. The U S can yank the chain at the last moment because something happened somewhere.
Many of you were not even born when the sanctions hit----you cannot imagine the feeling of impotency that we had----you kids only heard about ti.
So---when that girl asked Nawaz Sharif in 1999 " why don't you avenge the death of my brother "----the brother was a jr officer on board the Atlantique that went down---and Nawaz stated " we don't have the power to do anything----. A hopeless and powerless man---a powerless nation---.
Sorry abt once again intervening in discussions of seniors and pros but on same forum pros of PAF have quoted F16s as the most potent fighter, (like Windjammer Sir). I have some link to research field and go through specs before commenting . Initially I will be off topic, to reply u. by putting a lion's skin on donkey we can't make donkey a lion.
Pak will most surely use F16s ag India and I doubt that Mr Mastan' s point about spying of USA on Israel's F16s not applicable in Indo/ Pak context. Perhaps u both don't no bitter ground realities of Pak.
If u consider sanctions risk then this is unavoidable in any fighter jet scenario for Pak until and unless we start production of sophisticated high tech gadgetry ourselves. Even China has passed through long phases to reach self reliance mostly in case of defense equipment ( with exception of jet engines). For this we have to follow Chinese example set up polytechnic Institutes teaching applied scientific knowledge instead of theory. We can accelerate this process by sending our students to such institutes in China for education and we should prepare complete road map.
Further I will once again say that bomb trucks or heavies having lesser A2A capabilities are good for big countries like China,USA or India as they can afford them in high numbers no such luxury for Pak. We have to make rational choices within our limits I would suggest Su35 in limited numbers or J16s much better choices for Pak navy then Jh7b as they shall have better A 2 A capabilities then JH7b also with long legs. PN will require these jets to ensure deep strike on enemy important Naval Assets not just to bomb ordinary Frigates as they shall be tackled within Pak Naval boundaries by JF17s having armed with C802A with 180KM range and CM400AKG supersonic missile with 200-250KM range. Further pls don't forget RAAD with 350KM range.
Coming to topic in case of Jf17 if Pak goes for AESA frm Selex or any Euorpean country then Pak should go for license production first and later on complete production/development right even if it is expensive along with IRST and EW suite. Further we should immediately install rebuild/overhaul facilities of JF 17 in house.( Some steps already taken by Pak).
Instead of digging deep in techs/figures in Pak case one should first make research work on qualitative aspects of society, financial position and geopolitical position.
I am firm on my ground that as soon as Pak equips JF17s with latest gadgets like IRST and AESA the F16V variant shall be available to PAF after that. Instead of relying on single platform it's always wise to go for more than one.
( In the past and present Pak has kept it's Mirage fleet alive even without any French help at present in similar way Pak shall be able to keep it's F16s operational in future even in case of sanctions.)
Hi,
When you say you are not sure about certain things---or likewise---then how come you are writing contradicting comments.
You need to understand something---this is a different time in a different world---a donkey can be equipped to act like a lion----go back to Aamir Hussein video on this board about the usage of the F22's and their asking a B2 bomber to intervene with BVR missiles----.
There is technology available that you can put an exoskeleton on a donkey to make it roar and deadly as a lion---or in other case you can put in an endoskeleton as well.
So---when you see a helpless awacs in your radar blip---don't so sure of its weakness---it maybe carrying a couple of missile that may take you out.
This is not the time for opening polytechnics---this is the time for equipping the right aircraft in a proper manner and getting the right aircraft as well---.
Even with all the polytechnics open---you won't have the ability to manufacture tier one weapons---because you don't have any knowledge and no fundamental base----. You are lucky that china is on a spree to counter the U S---and pakistan will benefit from whatever tech the chinese come up with.
For the navy you are looking at air to ship or air to surface capability---.
You post also shows ignorance of how air to air capability can be maintained thru JH7B's---you need to understand air to air combat---nowadays it is not all turns and twists---.
The purpose of a heavy is to keep the enemy frigates out of your waters---that is what I have been stating for eons---and you kids are so inherently ignorant of wars should be fought----well---my apologies---you are being led by idiotds who want to drop nuc bombs in your own land to kill the enemy----.
From day one---I have always stated one way or the other---fight the war closer to the enemy's house rather than yours----keep the enemy as far away from your assets as you possibly can---and you thoughtless kids want to let the enemy in your house---the enemy that is 3 time larger---with 5 times the strength---and you with inferior weaponery---what is wrong with you kids---.
@MastanKhan @Rashid Mahmood I've heard that the 8 new subs will be able to carry 2~4 JL-3, can you confirm or deny this?
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They must have something special---because 8 subs for 5 billions---is a lots of dough.
