Sectarianism in Pakistan military: Fact or Fiction

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I know what religion is about freedom of speech yes but in limits you break them you invite trouble. Peace yes but not when your brothers are being killed around the world the order than is to fight and give ruthless answer to enemy. Love and Care yes most charity organisations are being run by religious organizations . Now on topic only ALLAH O AKBAR is right.

So, out of curiosity, which side is killing brothers in Iraq - the Iraqi government/Iranian militias or ISIS?

 

[Hyperion]

Why, my friend? It's a legit topic...... we are looking into historical aspects of where we lost the plot!

@Horus @Oscar @WebMaster @waz @Irfan Baloch @Emmie close the thread MODS

 

[Winchester]

@AgNoStiC MuSliM Brilliant man.....You nailed it in every post of yours !

 

[TankMan]

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centuries have past we are not fighting with swords and bows anymore . I am sure while dropping bombs from Jets we wont be needing any battle cry .

As far as religion well everyone has a GOD so just pray to Him thats all

Adrenalin and fight-or-flight remain, whether you're fighting with bows or rifles. It's still relevant. Many aspects of war and battle have remained the same over centuries, this is one of them.

I agree with just praying to God, so ''Allah hu Akbar'' or just ''Allah hu'' is perfectly fine for the SSG.

 

[SQ8]

@Horus @Oscar @WebMaster @waz @Irfan Baloch @Emmie close the thread MODS

NO!
If you are a takfiri, does not mean everyone else is.

 

[Zarvan]

who will set the Limits ?? and when West gives us trouble over something than we have no right to protest right ?



brothers ? where were our brothers , when 100,000 Kashmiri were butchered ,?? where were brothers when 70k + Pakistani's been blown into pieces on the name of Islam ?? Today , your own brother is not your brother ... forget about Muslim Brotherhood ..



Love and Care does not mean NGO's buddy ... look at the Tolerance in western Society , and than compare it to your brother " So called " Islamic countries ... hope its enough to open your eyes

We have and we would hit back no body can question holocaust in west everything has limits, and if some one insults our PROPHET SAW or Quran they pissed of 1.5 billion people on face of the earth. Quran has called Muslims brothers of each other you want to deny Quran your choice but when you fail to do your job you end up creating space which is filled by groups like AL QAEDA and ISIS. Yes western societies I can also compare massive rapes and other crimes and their attacks on other countries.

NO!
If you are a takfiri, does not mean everyone else is.

What is your point ? @Horus ?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Why, my friend? It's a legit topic...... we are looking into historical aspects of where we lost the plot!

I think that's his/her patriotism coming through - probably concerned that while bickering amongst ourselves, we've been letting the Indians have a free hand on the other threads. They've probably had the UN and US classify us as a failed State sponsoring terrorism by now, while also managing to become permanent members of the UNSC and NSG.

 

[SQ8]

What is your point ? @Horus ?

the point is very clear, this forum will no longer tolerate sectarian ideals.

 

[Zarvan]

the point is very clear, this forum will no longer tolerate sectarian ideals.

This thread is sectarian based Sir and also religious discussion which is banned on forum

 

[Spring Onion]

NO!
If you are a takfiri, does not mean everyone else is.

We all have issues with Zarvan but you being mod labeling him as takfiri without any logic or proof amounts to same mentality when Taliban call everyone else as kafir.


Now coming to his request of closing the thread YES it should be anything promoting sectarian hatred be it by wahabis or sunnis or shias should be closed down.

We are here as Pakistani NOT Iranian or Saudi.

Above all this is not the gravest issue of Pakistan. They still have this battle cry we still hear that so why coming up with stupid question based threads . Ramazan, eid and Muharram are coming up why we need such smoothing of grounds for sectarian hatred in advance.

 

[TankMan]

NO!
If you are a takfiri, does not mean everyone else is.

the point is very clear, this forum will no longer tolerate sectarian ideals.

We need a clarification on the forum rules about religious discussions, right now religion is a part of @WebMaster 's banned topics list. Is only sectarianism and hate-speech banned now?

That's better, since religious discussions are inevitable. But this thread is still against the rules then, because it's based on a sectarian issue.

 

[I S I]

Who gives a flying fiuck?
SSG rocks anyway.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

This thread is sectarian based Sir and also religious discussion which is banned on forum

We're are discussing Pakistan's socio-political issues. Since Pakistan is a 'theocratic State', it's not possible to discuss Pakistan's many issues without bringing in religion.

 

[Hyperion]

Not it's not..... it's historical baggage that we're discussing the pros and cons of........ there is a fine line and we are threading the needle perfectly well, bar few, which is expected in any debate!

because it's based on a sectarian issue.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

We need a clarification on the forum rules about religious discussions, right now religion is a part of @WebMaster 's banned topics list. Is only sectarianism and hate-speech banned now?

That's better, since religious discussions are inevitable. But this thread is still against the rules then, because it's based on a sectarian issue.

That's an interesting point - how would one define sectarian discussions?

I would argue it covers theological discussions based on sectarian differences/interpretations, but a general discussion over the role of religion in Pakistan (state and society) can't, and shouldn't, be avoided.