Saudi Arabia, Zionism, Peace and the Palestinian Cause

[lem34]

i'm comparing Saudi Arabian israeli relations with an iranian-israeli relations, you can run away, go to the moderator and ask him to threat me because you can't answer, it is does not matter.
Facts still stand and actions louder than words.
1- Saudi Arabia participated in FOUR wars against israel.
2- Saudi Arabia king on International TV and press, saying to the whole world "first thing should happen is the extermination of Israel"..i even brought it to in video lol.
3- Saudi Arabia confronted the US and the whole west to help the palestinian cause, making embargo on oil exports to any one supporting Israel.
4- we are funding the PLO & hamas officially and un-officially, (though they stabbed us in the back)

the question that stands now, what did other muslim countries do to help Saudi Arabia to free al-aqsaa mosque?
for example Iran dealing with the US and israel, egypt/jordan/ take allowance from Uncle sam to have peace with israel etc.

we took actions, others just talk but they never pointed a pistol bullet against israel.

you burry your head in the sand, but facts and actions are better than lies.

Saudi Royal family could threaten to dump the US dollar. America would go bust. Israel would not exist without charity from America. Oh and you could rely on Pakistanis to assist you against unprovoked attack from Iran

 

[Mosamania]

I thought habibi was darling???? anyway back to topic Have I or have I not given evidence that Zionists are complicit with this House of Saud which must stand because so far no one has supplied anything in rebuttal

No you did not bring any evidence. The only thing you brought to the table was conspiracy theories and wild imaginations that's all.

Again my countryman Tihamah here is a bit too enthusiastic and I apologies on his behalf but not everyone can stand constant abuse here like me. However I do agree with him in a lot of topics and would like to point something out again.
1-Have you not noticed that the people living in the country who you cringe at its mere mention all disagree with you be it Saudi or Pakistani for that matter.
2-It is idiotic and somewhat funny that people who never set foot in this land claim to know it inside out better than the people who spent their entire lives living here and saw it through the ages??

 

[Tihamah]

ok well since every one is avoiding the four facts i represented and can't answer them.

about the actions Saudi Arabia took to free al-aqsaa and help the palestinians, also what other muslim (for example iran) countries did to help saudi arabia, but no one can come with answer.

i think the fallacy of these claims is exposed and Alhamdu lillah i'm satisfied in all aspects we are better than all of our jealouse envious haters, our brothers are happy and appreciate our efforts and haters can whine and make up lies on internet as much they can, real world is not internet

 

[untitled]

Again my countryman Tihamah here is a bit too enthusiastic and I apologies on his behalf but not everyone can stand constant abuse here like me.

I salute you for this

 

[Tihamah]

Saudi Royal family could threaten to dump the US dollar. America would go bust. Israel would not exist without charity from America. Oh and you could rely on Pakistanis to assist you against unprovoked attack from Iran

the size of the American economy is 12 trillions, all goverments around the world deal with Dollar, take for example China which is supposed to be a US rival, is the biggest holders of Dollar bonds in the world, so whether we use the Dollar or not, it wont make any difference for the Dollar.
but what other muslims did to help Saudi Arabia to free al-aqsaa mosque

 

[lem34]

the size of the American economy is 12 trillions, all goverments around the world deal with Dollar, take for example China which is supposed to be a US rival, is the biggest holders of Dollar bonds in the world, so whether we use the Dollar or not, it wont make any difference for the Dollar.
but what other muslims did to help Saudi Arabia to free al-aqsaa mosque

"The importance of maneuvering so your enemy is hit in his weakest points." ~ Sun Tzu’s, The Art of War

Although the United States is unassailable from a military standpoint in the region, the Washington dollar and Treasury debt are our weakest points and the entire world knows this.

If you have noticed, whenever Saudi Arabia is mentioned, the establishment news coverage is always followed by a comforting statement stressing how the House of Saud will somehow escape the political change in the region. The fall of the Saudi monarchy or serious unrest in the Shiite oil producing region of Saudi Arabia is the "elephant in the room" that no one wants to discuss or write about and why the threat is being ignored and going undressed.

The reason is all of the oil produced in the Persian Gulf region outside of Iran is currently priced in US dollars thus allowing the United States and the Federal Reserve to create more dollars at will. 87% of the oil exported out of the Persian Gulf is priced in US dollars and as I explained last week in The Great Anglo-American Gaddafi Deception, the pricing of oil in dollars is a major contributor to maintaining the dollar’s role as the world’s reserve currency.
I believe the Washington Treasury debt and US dollar Ponzi scheme would risk collapse if these five nations mentioned above should threaten or seriously consider pricing oil in gold, Euros, SDR’s or any other currency other than dollars. In addition, Israel wouldn’t survive even with its feared Samson option for more than a few months if the US should lose in the region. Therefore the existence of Israel and the economic survival of the United States, our fiat dollar and the continued rollover of our Treasury debt are very dependent on friendly governments controlled and protected by Washington maintaining power at any price in the Persian Gulf.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article27391.html

So for those of you who are asleep please wake up. If this Saudi Royal family really wanted to support Palestinians or twist Americas arm they could. The fact that they don't shows me just one thing that is that they are only concerned with their own survival at any cost to the Muslim or non Muslim world. This Persian/Turkish obsession is just a cover for their real evil designs. They don't give a damn about Palestinians or any other Arabs, Muslims or anyone else

 

[Tihamah]

No you did not bring any evidence. The only thing you brought to the table was conspiracy theories and wild imaginations that's all.

Again my countryman Tihamah here is a bit too enthusiastic and I apologies on his behalf but not everyone can stand constant abuse here like me. However I do agree with him in a lot of topics and would like to point something out again.
1-Have you not noticed that the people living in the country who you cringe at its mere mention all disagree with you be it Saudi or Pakistani for that matter.
2-It is idiotic and somewhat funny that people who never set foot in this land claim to know it inside out better than the people who spent their entire lives living here and saw it through the ages??

LOL, actually i know this type of people very well, i'm might be new to this forum, but these sorts of attacks and other stuff i know it and i know how to reply poking certain things that hurts them.

 

[fd24]

the size of the American economy is 12 trillions, all goverments around the world deal with Dollar, take for example China which is supposed to be a US rival, is the biggest holders of Dollar bonds in the world, so whether we use the Dollar or not, it wont make any difference for the Dollar.
but what other muslims did to help Saudi Arabia to free al-aqsaa mosque

Thank yo for being on topic. Look if the Saudi only THREATENED to stop taking the dollar as payment - don't you get it - they would seriously cripple the US economy and Israel would simply bow? Don't you get it? Saudi - by following the US the way they do is funding fueling and backing the US - wake up and smell the coffee. The Saudi have the resourced and power to squeeze Americans to play ball?

 

[Yeti]

Asia Times Online :: THE ROVING EYE : The House of Saud paranoia

The House of Saud remains the proverbial staunch ally of the Washington/London "special relationship" - its petrodollars ($300 billion in oil revenues in 2011, made possible by owing 12% of global oil production) buying everyone in sight from Egypt to Libya and Palestine, while Arab al-Qaeda-linked networks merrily bolster the uprisings in both Libya and Syria.

Yet - in this House of supreme paranoia - what if the day comes when they wouldn't be regarded as indispensable, staunch allies anymore? What if Washington/London are convinced that a more acceptable Middle East should have Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood as "models"?

On the crucial energy front, the House of Saud didn't fail to notice the fact that the US will prefer to concentrate its future energy needs on gas - and not oil, and this while Saudi oil reserves are declining and China is already Saudi Arabia's top trade partner (that's one of the key reasons China abstained from United Nations resolution 1973 on Libya; Beijing didn't want to antagonize Riyadh).

Washington/London certainly increased their own fears of a regional disaster when Prince Turki was very clear Saudi Arabia would go for its own nuclear bomb in case Iran did the same - although there's no evidence whatsoever, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency, that Iran is developing a nuclear weapons program. By the way Prince Turki himself made it clear on a separate occasion; the only regional actor allowed to have nuclear weapons is Israel.


The House of Saud has used the great 2011 Arab revolt to propel Iranophobia in the Sunni Arab world to all-out hysteria. Iranophobia has been deployed as a Saudi-orchestrated psy-ops for years now - geared towards isolating Iran in the arc from Northern Africa to Southwest Asia.

While trying to depict Iran to Arab public opinion as the ultimate evil, the House of Saud may hope to obscure the role of the real profiteers - Western neo-colonial powers which occupy or control, directly and indirectly, the Arab world. Most of all, Iranophobia is extremely useful for the House of Saud, as well as the al-Khalifa Sunni dynasty in Bahrain and the Emirates rulers, to mercilessly repress their own people.

In the West, Iranophobia has been misunderstood as a cold war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. No; it's a counter-revolutionary pys-ops conducted by the House of Saud out of supreme fear of Iran's regional alliances - with Hezbollah in Lebanon or the Shi'ite-led government in Baghdad - as well as Iranian support, for instance, for the Houthi rebellion in northern Yemen in 2009.

There's also a running myth that Saudi King Abdullah, 86, illiterate and close to meeting his maker, has tried to integrate Saudi Shi'ites - especially via the King Abdulaziz Center for National Dialogue. There's no way to understand Saudi Arabia without examining its historical prejudice against Shi'ites. Saudi schoolbooks treat Shi'ites as non-Muslim infidels, or worse - evil "polytheists".

The heart of the matter is that the House of Saud is bound by blood with the Sunni Wahhabi clerical establishment. As long as the monarchy follows their medieval interpretation of sharia law, the king is incensed as the legitimate "custodian of the two holy mosques".


The power of the Saudi counter-revolution should not be underestimated. As much as the House of Saud was horrified by Egypt's Hosni Mubarak being "dumped" by the Barack Obama administration, they have been clever enough to bribe the Tantawi junta currently in power with almost $4 billion. The House of Saud is furious that Mubarak will have to stand trial.

 

[SQ8]

LOL, actually i know this type of people very well, i'm might be new to this forum, but these sorts of attacks and other stuff i know it and i know how to reply poking certain things that hurts them.

Which are not allowed.
Debate logically.. or agree to disagree and Leave the topic alone.

 

[lem34]

No you did not bring any evidence. The only thing you brought to the table was conspiracy theories and wild imaginations that's all.

Wrong again. see earlier and show us all where I am wrong that's if you can. It simply is not accepted that you state something without rebuttal and say that I am forwarding conspiracy theories.

I wish for all my Pakistani brothers (and in Yetis case my Indian cousins lol) to see that Al Saud family are complicit with Zionists

 

[Mosamania]

Wrong again. see earlier and show us all where I am wrong that's if you can. It simply is not accepted that you state something without rebuttal and say that I am forwarding conspiracy theories.

I wish for all my Pakistani brothers (and in Yetis case my Indian cousins lol) to see that Al Saud family are complicit with Zionists

You bring up articles written by people who keep talking about Conspiracy theories and such. And then you act as if they are evidence. You seriously need to analyze what is considered evidence and what is not. You do realize that propaganda spreads on the form of articles don't you?

 

[Tihamah]

Thank yo for being on topic. Look if the Saudi only THREATENED to stop taking the dollar as payment - don't you get it - they would seriously cripple the US economy and Israel would simply bow? Don't you get it? Saudi - by following the US the way they do is funding fueling and backing the US - wake up and smell the coffee. The Saudi have the resourced and power to squeeze Americans to play ball?

so you are saying Saudi Arabia can destory the US? then we must be the most powerful super power in the last 100 years, please be real, Saudi Arabia did what it can to help palestinians and free al-aqsaa mosque, but in return we got stabbed few times in the back, also Al-aqsaa is not Saudi Arabian property, it is for all muslims! there are 1.3 billions of them on this planet, what they did to help Saudi Arabia to free al-aqsaa?......nothing

 

[lem34]

You bring up articles written by people who keep talking about Conspiracy theories and such. And then you act as if they are evidence. You seriously need to analyze what is considered evidence and what is not. You do realize that propaganda spreads on the form of articles don't you?

actions speak louder than words look at the wikileaks and what your leaders were saying to Americans.

 

[Yeti]

Wrong again. see earlier and show us all where I am wrong that's if you can. It simply is not accepted that you state something without rebuttal and say that I am forwarding conspiracy theories.

I wish for all my Pakistani brothers (and in Yetis case my Indian cousins lol) to see that Al Saud family are complicit with Zionists

One day the House of Saud will come crashing down like a deck of cards the time is not far