Saudi Arabia: ‘We support our ally Cyprus against Turkey’s activities in Mediterranean’

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This has nothing to do with Islam and Muslims, it's just a territorial dispute based on ethnic lines. No one recognizes Turkish Cyprus anyway aside from Turkey.

Everywhere that Orthodox Christians targeted Turks, Circassians, Crimean Tatars, Kavkaz people, Bosniacs, Kosovars, Cypriots in the former Ottoman Empire lands, it was because they viewed them as Muslims and an enemy civilization, nation.

The way they are treating mainly Muslim refugees/migrants from Syria, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh in Europe should tell you something as well.

You need to comprehend the difference between the vassal states of GCC and the Arab people. Pakistan has a transactional relationship with these vassal states as they are merely extensions of a western/Zionist elite world order. We have seen recently how they have lost the ability to think for themselves and simply parrot some version of western led global interventionism every time someone asks them about real issues that matter. We have no problem with Arab people and indeed when their nations truly spoke for themselves, we supported them as brothers. But that concept of an independent representative Arab nation no longer exists.

Hence Pakistan supports its brotherly nation Turkey, a nation that is truly independent and represents the will of its people.

We Pakistanis, and our ancestors the Dilli Sultanat/Ghaznavis/Ghoris/Mughals, have stood by the Turks for more than 800 years.

Together we coordinated our policies against the Safavi empire of Iran and tyrants like Nadir Shah.

When the British recruited our ancestors to fight the Turks in Çannakale/Gallipoli, they gladly switched sides and joined the Turks to defend their land.

Knowing full well the British threatened to attack their families back home, and captured, stripped naked, humiliated, tortured, and killed many of the mutineers, but they were willing to put everything on the line for their religion.

Never once did we question or air any grievance against the Turks, whom were both our Khilafat (religious head,) our brave brothers in faith, and our dear friends and relatives.

Many people in the Arab world, esp in North Africa and Egypt, felt similar fealty towards the Ottomans.

If the Turkish military had not intervened and overthrew the Greek Cypriot martial law , a second Cretan genocide would have taken place. Indeed, 99% of this forum has no knowledge about the Cretan massacres. Because the pain of the Turks is only the problem of the Turks. Just like the Khojaly genocide, just like the Crimean genocide and many many others. We are used to walking alone on this road. But the hostility in the hearts is sad.

Even when our homeland Anatolia was under occupation, we fought against invaders in Tabriz, todays Iran. Our history of the Republic did not pass easily, we have experienced many foreign-backed military coup. But even once, we didn't watch the suffering of our Muslim brothers.

On the other side, that's why we love our Pakistani brothers. They came to these days in a similar historical process with us.

The whole of Pakistan stands firmly with the Turks. We will suffer any enemy and abuse for our true religious brothers. We would do this for any true follower of Muhammad saws and champion of truth and justice.

Definitely the unity shown by Erdogan and Imran Khan has made our friendship blossom to new heights.

I hope that in sha Allah, Pakistan will again publicly recognize Northern Cyprus (we did until 1983 apparently,) just as we recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as Azeri land.

We owe the Turks much for their strong support in Kashmir and Afghanistan for Pakistan.

Today the whole of the Muslim world, esp the Arabs, are witness to the tactless betrayal of Arab dictatorial regimes of the Muslims.

The whole Muslim world sends La’nat on these shameless puppets of foreign occupiers and their rogue hands like Israel and India.

 

[Trango Towers]

You must thanks to Allah those KSA and UAE traitors yet, didnt say "We fully support our ally India againist Pakistan aggression on Kashmir......
Dont be suprized if one morning you hear such statements from international news....

I expect it...actually UAE did say that it was an internal indian matter.

 

[Falcon29]

Today the whole of the Muslim world, esp the Arabs, are witness to the tactless betrayal of Arab dictatorial regimes of the Muslims.

Inshallah the regimes will fall/be overthrown and replaced with Islamic rule with the Mahdi as their ruler. Will you guys on this forum support the Khilafah then, I assume so?? Or will see anti-Arab rants on PDF then and people openly rejecting the Mahdi on PDF??

A lot of people here are too toxic and don't seem to be satisfied with anything, which is concerning to see.

I'm gonna remember what everyone said here about how they are only against Arabs because they believe they betrayed Islam and nothing else. So when that time comes, we will all come back here and see if they were truthful or if it is something else they wanted.

@Trango Towers @Timur @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I expect it...actually UAE did say that it was an internal indian matter.

Read above post brother ... I tagged you guys, you guys are champions of Islam and I'm becoming convinced you guys will be among the first people to support the Imam to establish Islamic rule in Middle East....

...

@Trango Towers @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Timur

Where are you brothers.

 

[Oublious]

I expect it...actually UAE did say that it was an internal indian matter.

Thats the same...

 

[Falcon29]

@Trango Towers @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Timur

 

[Rizwan Alam]

Sometimes I think that these Arabs are living in another dimension, knowing nothing, ignoring the facts and sentiments of Muslims around the globe. Feel pity and am scared for the Muslims in coming days and Unity does not seem to me a legit commodity in Muslim world.

 

[Falcon29]

Sometimes I think that these Arabs are living in another dimension, knowing nothing, ignoring the facts and sentiments of Muslims around the globe. Feel pity and am scared for the Muslims in coming days and Unity does not seem to me a legit commodity in Muslim world.

Al Saud are not 'Arabs' , learn guys to avoid generalization. Arabs had huge revolutions in 2011 and Arabs were massacred in Egypt , Syria , and elsewhere while revolting. It's not easy to have a successful revolution against dictators. It will take time and the revolution is still ongoing. Al Saud and Al Ziyad are really fearful after the Arab spring and besieged Qatar and put Muslim brotherhood on terrorist list among other things.

The key thing here is that they are afraid of their own Arab people. Iran does not need to get involved and the alternative is not Iran. The alternative will be Islamic revolution by the Arabs themselves. Turkey has mostly played a positive and friendly role in Arab world and they are respected by many Arabs. Turkey does not hate Arabs like some people on this forum do.

And yes we are in difficult times as it the end times but we know what's coming next and it will be good for the believers. So you guys on the forum need to understand these things. You don't know much about Arabs because there are hardly any here. And most Arabs try to remain anonymous in their criticism of the dictatorships to avoid getting in trouble. It's not like Pakistan where you can criticize your government.

As for the other guys here(not you), they have seem serious personal frustrations and are trying to relieve them by ranting all the time against anyone. Be it Arabs or orthodox Christian's or whomever else. Those types of people are obviously not going to bring positive change and they aren't in a good mental state. So I hope they get help and let the others have normal constructive conversations.

If I'm gonna name some good people I've come across that are level headed that I can remember :

T-123456
Sinan
ibnabdullah
slav defence
That guy
Itachi
Simourgh
Serpentine
Resurgentiran
Nein
Avicenna
Hannibal Barcal
Camel guy
Etc...

There are definitely more that I can't remember right now. But they are level headed with good character that help to make this forum more unifying and have constructive criticisms. These are also good Muslims from my perspective just based off their character they have the cleanest hearts.

Al Hasani too has a good heart deep down. Don't let his gheerah over Arab confuse you or his gheerah over his country. If he saw realistic alternative to situation he would support it in heartbeat.

 

[HAIDER]

You like to throw big words around or you got any evidence?

Its nice seeing you in arab threads. its like a sense of stability.

There is difference between arab govt and arab people ..Yes, I do have evidence. ( last two week episode of App ka Muqabil / Rauf Kalaasra, he discussed in detail.

 

[Falcon29]

@925boy

Forgot you too in the list, enjoy discussions with you.

 

[Trango Towers]

@Trango Towers @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Timur

What?

Inshallah the regimes will fall/be overthrown and replaced with Islamic rule with the Mahdi as their ruler. Will you guys on this forum support the Khilafah then, I assume so?? Or will see anti-Arab rants on PDF then and people openly rejecting the Mahdi on PDF??

A lot of people here are too toxic and don't seem to be satisfied with anything, which is concerning to see.

I'm gonna remember what everyone said here about how they are only against Arabs because they believe they betrayed Islam and nothing else. So when that time comes, we will all come back here and see if they were truthful or if it is something else they wanted.

@Trango Towers @Timur @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan



Read above post brother ... I tagged you guys, you guys are champions of Islam and I'm becoming convinced you guys will be among the first people to support the Imam to establish Islamic rule in Middle East....

...

@Trango Towers @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Timur

Where are you brothers.

In a Khalifa.. no Arab will be better than a non arab. And no non arab will be better than an arab. We will be one and love each other for the sake of Allah. Ofcourse we will support who ever is in charge. But today sorry ..... NO

 

[azzo]

Al Saud are not 'Arabs' , learn guys to avoid generalization. Arabs had huge revolutions in 2011 and Arabs were massacred in Egypt , Syria , and elsewhere while revolting. It's not easy to have a successful revolution against dictators. It will take time and the revolution is still ongoing. Al Saud and Al Ziyad are really fearful after the Arab spring and besieged Qatar and put Muslim brotherhood on terrorist list among other things.

The key thing here is that they are afraid of their own Arab people. Iran does not need to get involved and the alternative is not Iran. The alternative will be Islamic revolution by the Arabs themselves. Turkey has mostly played a positive and friendly role in Arab world and they are respected by many Arabs. Turkey does not hate Arabs like some people on this forum do.

And yes we are in difficult times as it the end times but we know what's coming next and it will be good for the believers. So you guys on the forum need to understand these things. You don't know much about Arabs because there are hardly any here. And most Arabs try to remain anonymous in their criticism of the dictatorships to avoid getting in trouble. It's not like Pakistan where you can criticize your government.

As for the other guys here(not you), they have seem serious personal frustrations and are trying to relieve them by ranting all the time against anyone. Be it Arabs or orthodox Christian's or whomever else. Those types of people are obviously not going to bring positive change and they aren't in a good mental state. So I hope they get help and let the others have normal constructive conversations.

If I'm gonna name some good people I've come across that are level headed that I can remember :

T-123456
Sinan
ibnabdullah
slav defence
That guy
Itachi
Simourgh
Serpentine
Resurgentiran
Nein
Avicenna
Hannibal Barcal
Camel guy
Etc...

There are definitely more that I can't remember right now. But they are level headed with good character that help to make this forum more unifying and have constructive criticisms. These are also good Muslims from my perspective just based off their character they have the cleanest hearts.

Al Hasani too has a good heart deep down. Don't let his gheerah over Arab confuse you or his gheerah over his country. If he saw realistic alternative to situation he would support it in heartbeat.

Then answer this, if Qatar is really one of the good guys and does preach democracy why haven't they applied it in their own country?

Why did they jail a poet and condemned him to 15 years in jail just because of a poem?

I understand if you're against the existing Arab regimes but what I can't get is the hypocrisy and contradictions?

People who are for the revolutions often praise AlJazeera for its position and praise it as a beacon of free speech. Do you remember when Tamim Althani signed the 3013 agreement after Saudi withdrawing its ambassador. Before he signed Aljazeera called Alsisi "General al sisi" after Tamim signed they started calling him "president Al sisi" even Hamzah Zawba' was surprised and called them out live after they called him president Alsisi.

To change their stand and their principles by a scratch on a paper. Totally free and not just a tool in the hand of the stte.

Everything you claim to stand against you find yourself standing for just because you see them as part of "your team" you have no principles or clear morality.

You condemn Saudi and Uae for an alleged relations with Israel yet you find Excuses for Turkey, Qatar, and Oman which have or had actual relationship with Israel at one points or their leader met Israel leader in an official visit like in Oman's case.

Such hypocrisy and delusions.

 

[Falcon29]

Then answer this, if Qatar is really one of the good guys and does preach democracy why haven't they applied it in their own country?

Why did they jail a poet and condemned him to 15 years in jail just because of a poem?

I understand if you're against the existing Arab regimes but what I can't get is the hypocrisy and contradictions?

People who are for the revolutions often praise AlJazeera for its position and praise it as a beacon of free speech. Do you remember when Tamim Althani signed the 3013 agreement after Saudi withdrawing its ambassador. Before he signed Aljazeera called Alsisi "General al sisi" after Tamim signed they started calling him "president Al sisi" even Hamzah Zawba' was surprised and called them out live after they called him president Alsisi.

To change their stand and their principles by a scratch on a paper. Totally free and not just a tool in the hand of the stte.

Everything you claim to stand against you find yourself standing for just because you see them as part of "your team" you have no principles or clear morality.

You condemn Saudi and Uae for an alleged relations with Israel yet you find Excuses for Turkey, Qatar, and Oman which have or had actual relationship with Israel at one points or their leader met Israel leader in an official visit like in Oman's case.

Such hypocrisy and delusions.

Saudi does not have relations with Israel and I never held that belief, you might be confusing me for someone else. I made it clear in previous posts what vision I support for the Arab world and it isn't a hypocritical one. It's a pretty straightforward one that requires compromise from everybody.

Also I'm not in the MB camp and don't share their political vision. I agree with some aspects of their social vision, though.

Btw, if you look just in thread, I get confused for an Arab nationalist and MB Islamist. Because I criticize all parties/nationalities equally whenever I see they are doing some wrong, and if they do something right I commend them. I don't like black and white approach but most people do so they immediately assume I am one way or highway. World is more complex than that.

 

[azzo]

Saudi does not have relations with Israel and I never held that belief, you might be confusing me for someone else. I made it clear in previous posts what vision I support for the Arab world and it isn't a hypocritical one. It's a pretty straightforward one that requires compromise from everybody.

Also I'm not in the MB camp and don't share their political vision. I agree with some aspects of their social vision, though.

Btw, if you look just in thread, I get confused for an Arab nationalist and MB Islamist. Because I criticize all parties/nationalities equally whenever I see they are doing some wrong, and if they do something right I commend them. I don't like black and white approach but most people do so they immediately assume I am one way or highway. World is more complex than that.

Have not read the whole thread but if this does not apply to you, then it will definitely resonate with some of the delusional people out here.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

In reality, Cyprus is part of Greater Syria and Syria is part of the Arab world. Cyprus does not belong to Turks or Greeks, it requires Arabization by the sword.

Someday soon as our neighbours suffer a shortage of population. When the entire region is Arab there won't be any more problems, zero problem policy. Allahu Akbar

 

[xbat]

AH HA HA ha, some people are still dreaming about to get Turkish soil, excuse me but you are just daydreaming. i dont wanna talk from nationalistic aspect but your syrians are in turkey as refugiees? why dont mighty iraqi goverment take them and feed them? arent they your arab brothers? they are over 5 millions now.