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Saudi Arabia and UAE Decide Not to Withdraw $2 Billion Cash Deposits

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Opinion is simple We will stand by our interests and we will also support the Ummah hence have good relation with all and we will not fight your wars for you 🙂
good for you :P its great having an opinion
UAE is not some back-water desert society. Also size should not factor into Pakistani thinking. UAE is smarter and more powerful than people give it credit. I am not saying Pakistan needs to agree with everything that the UAE does. but Pakistanis in general should avoid the view that UAE somehow needs Pakistan or that Pakistan has built the UAE (such thinking is immature, lacks accuracy, and is disrespectful to UAE's own ingenuity). There was a time that PK and UAE were more aligned, but today UAE is run by a savvy next generation of rulers that have little time for past alliances, notion of co-religionists, and are more aligned with the here and now, and fiscal and security interests. They are pragmatists, pure and simple, and yes as a Pakistani though this pragmatism does hurt, it is a reality we must realize.

Also the UAE is not a monolith - Although Abu Dhabi has a larger than life impact on the country every Principality has its own unique and vibrant culture and approach to society and external relationships.

Finally though UAE is close to India, it will be mistake to think that they are not emotionally aligned with Pakistan. All things equal, they would be more supportive of Pakistan than India. Unfortunately all things are not equal as they find that the Pakistan/UAE relationship is skewed more to Pakistan's advantage than to UAEs. It is this simple calculus that factors into our mutual relationship and will continue in this manner, unless Pakistan finds a way to equalize the value we mutually give to each other.
 
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haha, political relations nowadays are fast as everything in life nowadays. These sort of things took decades to go back and forth , now its so fast forumers get confused and frustrated as to what opinion to stick to xD

All UAE planned failed when Biden showed them real face of American politics. They thought they can push us around. They thought India can replace Pakistan...
#Hindutva hate for Muslims is not limited to Pakistan, over 50% of Hindu think that Rihanna is Muslim.
India will never be friend of UAE. India will never support UAE like Pakistan can do. UAE blinded by their money and sooner or later they will see the real face of Modi.
 
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The issue with UAE right now is the increasing influence of Indian business men and concubines on some of the Shiekhs.
 
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UAE is not some back-water desert society. Also size should not factor into Pakistani thinking. UAE is smarter and more powerful than people give it credit. I am not saying Pakistan needs to agree with everything that the UAE does. but Pakistanis in general should avoid the view that UAE somehow needs Pakistan or that Pakistan has built the UAE (such thinking is immature, lacks accuracy, and is disrespectful to UAE's own ingenuity). There was a time that PK and UAE were more aligned, but today UAE is run by a savvy next generation of rulers that have little time for past alliances, notion of co-religionists, and are more aligned with the here and now, and fiscal and security interests. They are pragmatists, pure and simple, and yes as a Pakistani though this pragmatism does hurt, it is a reality we must realize.

Also the UAE is not a monolith - Although Abu Dhabi has a larger than life impact on the country every Principality has its own unique and vibrant culture and approach to society and external relationships.

Finally though UAE is close to India, it will be mistake to think that they are not emotionally aligned with Pakistan. All things equal, they would be more supportive of Pakistan than India. Unfortunately all things are not equal as they find that the Pakistan/UAE relationship is skewed more to Pakistan's advantage than to UAEs. It is this simple calculus that factors into our mutual relationship and will continue in this manner, unless Pakistan finds a way to equalize the value we mutually give to each other.
Thing is if they respect us and treat us equally we should too... and Pakistan contributed to an extent in building Emirates and help UAE in early days... and yes UAE is powerful but for its own interest not for Ummah...
 
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The Arabs tried to screw us


And that MUST have consequences

India is our mortal ENEMY and if they don't start hurting that enemy that what use is this relationship?

We should learn our lesson. They betrayed the Ottomans and brought down our Khilafat. Who are we?

Right now I see only the states of Pakistan, Turkey, and their allies as the Ummat Muslimeen, all others are only in it for their self-interest.

They will drive daggers into the wounded body of the Muslim world for financial benefit, as they have done in Palestine and Kashmir.
 
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Dealing with those Progressive young Democrats will be hard for these Monarchs, so I guess Saudi and Emirati are trying to keep Pakistan in the loop so if Iran and the Houthis repeat the Aramco fiasco they will have someone to cry for help. I understand the fake Bravado from KSA, but UAE is just funny its like watching a kitty Challenging Lion in battle because the kitty found some fancy toy.
 
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UAE is not some back-water desert society. Also size should not factor into Pakistani thinking. UAE is smarter and more powerful than people give it credit. I am not saying Pakistan needs to agree with everything that the UAE does. but Pakistanis in general should avoid the view that UAE somehow needs Pakistan or that Pakistan has built the UAE (such thinking is immature, lacks accuracy, and is disrespectful to UAE's own ingenuity). There was a time that PK and UAE were more aligned, but today UAE is run by a savvy next generation of rulers that have little time for past alliances, notion of co-religionists, and are more aligned with the here and now, and fiscal and security interests. They are pragmatists, pure and simple, and yes as a Pakistani though this pragmatism does hurt, it is a reality we must realize.

Also the UAE is not a monolith - Although Abu Dhabi has a larger than life impact on the country every Principality has its own unique and vibrant culture and approach to society and external relationships.

Finally though UAE is close to India, it will be mistake to think that they are not emotionally aligned with Pakistan. All things equal, they would be more supportive of Pakistan than India. Unfortunately all things are not equal as they find that the Pakistan/UAE relationship is skewed more to Pakistan's advantage than to UAEs. It is this simple calculus that factors into our mutual relationship and will continue in this manner, unless Pakistan finds a way to equalize the value we mutually give to each other.
The problem is not UAE, the problem is some people in Pakistan be it the public or the decision makers, they are still living in a delusion of a grand Ummah while the GCC countries know they have not much to offer to the world anymore since the oil is getting irrelevant with every passing day, so they have to be pragmatic and try to find options be it is Israel, India or anyone else for that matter. If they will start seeing some benefits they can get from Iran, Iraq or Yemen believe me they will be the first ones singing lullabies and dancing behind them.

As far as the expat in GCC and debts are concerned, we should be returning them at the earliest and start planning the future by unshackling these expat chains. The sooner we will do the better we will be.

Pakistan should have a simple stance and should pass it on loud and clear:
Treat us with respect and we will treat you the same, Consider us a game and we will teach you how it is played.
 
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Looks like most countrymen are waking up. Diginity and self reliance are paramount.
UAE is not some back-water desert society. Also size should not factor into Pakistani thinking. UAE is smarter and more powerful than people give it credit. I am not saying Pakistan needs to agree with everything that the UAE does. but Pakistanis in general should avoid the view that UAE somehow needs Pakistan or that Pakistan has built the UAE (such thinking is immature, lacks accuracy, and is disrespectful to UAE's own ingenuity). There was a time that PK and UAE were more aligned, but today UAE is run by a savvy next generation of rulers that have little time for past alliances, notion of co-religionists, and are more aligned with the here and now, and fiscal and security interests. They are pragmatists, pure and simple, and yes as a Pakistani though this pragmatism does hurt, it is a reality we must realize.

Also the UAE is not a monolith - Although Abu Dhabi has a larger than life impact on the country every Principality has its own unique and vibrant culture and approach to society and external relationships.

Finally though UAE is close to India, it will be mistake to think that they are not emotionally aligned with Pakistan. All things equal, they would be more supportive of Pakistan than India. Unfortunately all things are not equal as they find that the Pakistan/UAE relationship is skewed more to Pakistan's advantage than to UAEs. It is this simple calculus that factors into our mutual relationship and will continue in this manner, unless Pakistan finds a way to equalize the value we mutually give to each other.

The reasoning you are giving is not a one way street. You think that fiscal and security interests, pragmatism, alliances etc. are only applicable to UAE? Pakistan has such concerns too. They often collide with Arab interests. The Arabs have betrayed their own blood and cause due to their "pragmatism".

In fact Pakistan has already shown the middle finger to Arabs and gone ahead with cementing ties with regional nations that the Arabs dislike. Yes, our interests too are supreme to us. The Arabs will have to live with that. The sentiment across Pakistan has changed for GCC Arab nations. Let the Arabs do whatever they want to do. We will do whatever we have to do.
 
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Looks like most countrymen are waking up. Diginity and self reliance are paramount.


The reasoning you are giving is not a one way street. You think that fiscal and security interests, pragmatism, alliances etc. are only applicable to UAE? Pakistan has such concerns too. They often collide with Arab interests. The Arabs have betrayed their own blood and cause due to their "pragmatism".

In fact Pakistan has already shown the middle finger to Arabs and gone ahead with cementing ties with regional nations that the Arabs dislike. Yes, our interests too are supreme to us. The Arabs will have to live with that. The sentiment across Pakistan has changed for GCC Arab nations. Let the Arabs do whatever they want to do. We will do whatever we have to do.
I never said it was a one way street. I am just trying to explain how UAE thinks. I am not making an argument whether it is right or wrong. All I am saying is that within the context of building effective policies around our relationship with the UAE, we must factor the points I raised above. Also as of now, Pakistan is the reactionary state within this relationship dynamic, not the UAE.

They (UAE) make policies that impact us, not the other way around (Visas, Baluchistan, Fiscal squeeze, Indian Alignment, Policy declarations, OIC/UN support or lack thereof, Gawadar) . That in itself speaks to the weak position Pakistan is in, and that stems from our lack of leverage as well as poor policy execution. Since the leverage is so skewed towards the UAE, she has the ability to call some of the shots. My view is purely a realistic view based upon my understanding and reading of the situation, along with my knowledge of some areas that gives me a deeper view on UAE's capabilities.

Finally I am not passing a moral judgement, nor taking any emotional view of Ummah etc. I am purely positing.

Thanks.
 
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KSA and UAE will voluntarily reinstate the oil credit as well soon enough. Pakistan doesn't need to ask anymore. These arab royal families are arrogant p*gs and this u-turn of theirs is after Pakistan showed them the middle finger. No more pressure, know your place arabs! You are earning interest on these loans so it is a business transaction, not a favour!

Azerbaijan will be supplying us oil and gas with long term credit so we don't need KSA or UAE for energy needs anymore. And this credit is without any pressure!

Pakistan should return these $2b. These snakes will ask for it unexpectedly, just as they didn't honour the oil supply on credit. Already they threatened to cancel work permits of Pakistani labourers. They will resort to blackmail again.

If Gulf states send Pakistani workers home it is $15-20 billion loss. No one gives you that kind of money
KSA and UAE will voluntarily reinstate the oil credit as well soon enough. Pakistan doesn't need to ask anymore. These arab royal families are arrogant p*gs and this u-turn of theirs is after Pakistan showed them the middle finger. No more pressure, know your place arabs! You are earning interest on these loans so it is a business transaction, not a favour!

Azerbaijan will be supplying us oil and gas with long term credit so we don't need KSA or UAE for energy needs anymore. And this credit is without any pressure!

Pakistan should return these $2b. These snakes will ask for it unexpectedly, just as they didn't honour the oil supply on credit. Already they threatened to cancel work permits of Pakistani labourers. They will resort to blackmail again.

It is big words considering the begging bowl that went around couple of years ago
 
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If Gulf states send Pakistani workers home it is $15-20 billion loss. No one gives you that kind of money

It is big words considering the begging bowl that went around couple of years ago

Remittances are not gifts! Pakistanis earned that money in gulf states. Pakistan is also in long term planning for the return of our skilled labour in these states, especially after the last blackmail by MBS and the pending economic crashes facing these states. If it was so easy for these states to deport all Pakistanis, it would have happened already.

They will be deporting you Indians too when they won't be able to afford to pay. Eventually it will happen as the golden oil run is coming to an end.
 
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