Sahiwal Police Massacre - Updates & Discussions.

[El Sidd]

what is proof zeeshan was terrorist ?

Anyone blaming the refugees yet?

 

[Awan68]

what is proof zeeshan was terrorist ?

He was involved in several attacks on security forces including the abduction and killing of one ISI agent. This was a known and wanted terrorist on the watchlist of our security agencies. Him bieng a terrorist is not up for debate. He was one, if our intelligence says some is shady, then that is how it is or are u suggesting that ISI is in the business of killing for liesure?

 

[VCheng]

Some sectors already try to cover up hole thing that's why

Try as they might, the truth will come out. PMIK has already stated that the State will care for the children, and any culprits identified will be punished. We should trust him to deliver on his words.

 

[Awan68]

Anyone blaming the refugees yet?

Give it time, they will get there eventually.

 

[El Sidd]

Give it time, they will get there eventually.

I thought terrorists drive Toyota.

 

[Talha Asif]

Saza milni chahye, bilkul milni chahye, the ones who planned the opp, aun ko bhi milni chahiye, sath sath pichli civilian govt ko bhi milni chahye jis ne army ke minten karny ke bawajood national action plan ko ignore kiya jis ka hisa tha police ke capacity ko barhana. Yeh anti terrorism ka kam khas tor peh urban centres men police ne hi karna hai, yahan bhi fata ke tarhan army uttar de to poori dunya men banana republic kehlaen ge hum. Ain jawanon ko saza milni chahye par they must not be prosecuted as murderers. This was a case of human error and bad planning. Yeh jo propoganda chal raha hai ke ain ke tukry kar do ya phansi de do ain ko. Mob justice koi tareeqa nhn.

Sir Army ki waja se hi abi tak ye awam is country se pyar krti hy ku k usi se umeed hoti hy sbko.
Bilkul jo b involve hain chahy wo phly wali govt ho ya ab wali sbko milni chahye or un CTD officials ko b involve hain or wahi milni chahye jo qatil ko milti hy ghalti ho jati hy pr wahan jo kia gya wo do bar firing ki koi Bach na jaye ye hi cold blood hy sir 1 bar ghalti me pta ni chala to dosri bar ku ki phr bachon ko nikal k?? Ager aj inhy capital punishment nahi dain gy to next time ye is se bara krain gy or phr hamari forces ko badnaam krain gy ye log. Inko saza deny se awam me izat barhy gi hi kam nahi hogi or yaqeen b forces pr par ager ye Bach gye to next time her operation pr questions raised hon gy

 

[Baghial]

CTD were tipped by ISI. Only thing we will do is to criticize government and no one discuss intelligence agency performance. Case closed.

why didnt isi -- tackel it themself?

 

[Awan68]

Not destroy but saza to de sakty hain ya wo b nahi deni chahye or wese b ye force Rangers k under honi chahye punjab Police k halat itny achy nahi

Yar agar rangers ke under ho to phir operation basically army ke under a jata hi which is always a measure of the last resort. Police hi handle karti hai apny mulk men, police ke capacity barhany ke zaroorat hai, har cheez army ke under dena mamly ka long time hal nhn. Army ke direct involvement se ye tasur jata hai internationally ke mamlat bht serious hen which scares investors and tourists away. Non civlians entities can and will provide intel just as they did in this and countless other opps. The operational.end must always be elite units of the Police. Pichly 5 saal se poori dunya ko hum cheekh chedlh ke bata rhy hen ke terroism is over in Pak and we have won and peace has returned etc etc, ab urban centres men opps army ke nechy de den, what message will that send?

 

[RescueRanger]

Jab wo janty hi kuch nahi to phir kya krny aye thy akhir bs marny aye thy yahi tarika hy k suspect ko maar do bs chahy prove na ho ku k roko gy to kya Pata usky pas weapon ho is liye maar do pehly phir investigation kr lena k terrorist tha b ya nahi. Family ka unhy nahi tha pta phly bhaag wo gye or dobara foring ki bchn ko nikal k aram se ye training or maqsad hy unka k ao maro or jao chahye prove na b ho

Please, either use English or Urdu! I can't understand this! Salam.

So they aren’t trained how to deal with a situation where a family is involved?

Please explain what you mean? Are you talking ethics or rules of engagement! Its okay to talk big but when you don't know if someone is carrying a bomb or about to burn your A$$ things change quickly! Everyone can talk big behind a screen :~)

I thought terrorists drive Toyota.

Some drive Land rovers!

 

[Awan68]

why didnt isi -- tackel it themself?

The right way is for the police to handle it. We have turned the war on terror legal and procedural which points to the fact that we have won it 95%. No more need for shady disappearances. This is home after all not some foriegn occupied country.

 

[Talha Asif]

Yar agar rangers ke under ho to phir operation basically army ke under a jata hi which is always a measure of the last resort. Police hi handle karti hai apny mulk men, police ke capacity barhany ke zaroorat hai, har cheez army ke under dena mamly ka long time hal nhn. Army ke direct involvement se ye tasur jata hai internationally ke mamlat bht serious hen which scares investors and tourists away. Non civlians entities can and will provide intel just as they did in this and countless other opps. The operational.end must always be elite units of the Police. Pichly 5 saal se poori dunya ko hum cheekh chedlh ke bata rhy hen ke terroism is over in Pak and we have won and peace has returned etc etc, ab urban centres men opps army ke nechy de den, what message will that send?

Sir then police ka department hi new bnany ki zroorat hy ku k jab tak basics hi thk nahi hon gi ap kya kr sakty hain. Oper se ly kar nichy tak oolice ka yahi haal hy chahy jitni b new force ban jayen jab tak wo police k under hain or unme officials b police se lain gy to kch b thk ni ho ga. Her guzarty din k sath halat police k kharab ho rhy hain yahan Sahiwal me jahan ye hwa hy yahan k halat last 2 Months se intahai kharab hain per police ko koi parwa nahi na hi koi working hy yahan bs sari police ko high security Jail pr lga dia hy baki awam suffer kr rhi hy

 

[Awan68]

Sir Army ki waja se hi abi tak ye awam is country se pyar krti hy ku k usi se umeed hoti hy sbko.
Bilkul jo b involve hain chahy wo phly wali govt ho ya ab wali sbko milni chahye or un CTD officials ko b involve hain or wahi milni chahye jo qatil ko milti hy ghalti ho jati hy pr wahan jo kia gya wo do bar firing ki koi Bach na jaye ye hi cold blood hy sir 1 bar ghalti me pta ni chala to dosri bar ku ki phr bachon ko nikal k?? Ager aj inhy capital punishment nahi dain gy to next time ye is se bara krain gy or phr hamari forces ko badnaam krain gy ye log. Inko saza deny se awam me izat barhy gi hi kam nahi hogi or yaqeen b forces pr par ager ye Bach gye to next time her operation pr questions raised hon gy

Ais ka aik angle yeh bhi hai kay agar extreme saza di to in the future CTD ke larky khul ke opp nhn karen gay, darty hi rahen gay. Even by legal terms this is not murder but manslaughter which doesnt carry the capital punishment but 5yrs incarcement.
Why are we all so hell bent on the ignoring the fact ke although innocent this family was travelling with a high profile ISIS operative directly involved in abduction and assasination of ISI agents.

 

[Tps43]

You are trained to neutralize a threat, did they know if he was a) armed? b) had an IED? ... Tactics ain't perfect but criticism from armchair generals ain't so slick either!

Police followed sop and people can't understand this , I am done with CTD. Bashing all over media .

This shit happens in the line of fire. Not after thoroughly analyzing the situation and then then pulling the trigger. If i was supervising the ctd squad, would have dragged the accused out of the vehicle first - - - - - - - - -

Paa jee that car didn't stopped at checkpost and u got window of few seconds to operate

 

[Talha Asif]

Ais ka aik angle yeh bhi hai kay agar extreme saza di to in the future CTD ke larky khul ke opp nhn karen gay, darty hi rahen gay. Even by legal terms this is not murder but manslaughter which doesnt carry the capital punishment by 5yrs incarcement.

Sir to phir awam hi reh jati hy marny ko ager inhy saza deny se b moral down hon gy. Awam ko marty nahi moral down hoty yahi ager kisi ig ya minister k relatives k sath hota to phr dekhty k knsa moral ka khyal krty ye.
Koi b law permission nahi deta k ap suspect ko aese marain without any retaliation ap firing krty hain phr a kr bachon ko nikalty hain or aram se phir firing krty hain k koi Bach na jaye ye kya cold blood muder nahi Banta?

 

[Tps43]

I thought terrorists drive Toyota.

Ghareeb the

Not something a new uniform might not solve.

If that Not works.

Give them cool Unit names from Hollywood movies.

They followed sop bro