Russia withdraws its remaining personnel from Syria

[flamer84]

This is the part that i told you : Russia is seen as unreliable worldwide, when it suits their interests they will easily backstab their friends.

They are not letting Assad go because of their record (Gadaffi) But i expect them to eventually let Assad fall. It will happen, just a matter of time.

It's all about the oil/gas prices.They've dropped Gadaffi because they knew the country will descend into chaos thus limiting the oil output (+1 for Russia),they've enforced the embargo on Iran because they know that Iranian oil is a threat to the Russian market and they supported Assad just enough to be sure that Syria will be engulfed in war for years to come thus preventing a GCC pipeline to the West in the imediate future.

 

[The SiLent crY]

No, Assad will flee to moscow. And build up a resistance against Islamic state.

Russia is a orthodox country and will protect minorities. Russia is a great country with hard working great people.

Unlike west,which consists of cretins and mental midgets.

As usual Russia back stabs it's ally and this is the true nature of these drunk ball-less people who have already sold too many allies in the world .

I have to admire the west , They at least have honor not to abandon their friends like a piece of cake .

If they don't fight the west in Syria , They'll have to face them in Moscow withing years or decades .

 

[Azeri440]

You're right about the equipment, but it's mostly helicopter/jet spare parts, tank threads etc etc. Training I dont know (sure, for flying jets/helo's etc). But I mean advisers to help fight ISIS etc, Iran is a lot more involved on the ground. But you're right, without those parts/training, there wouldn't be any air force flying today. Should have included that.

its not just spare parts , Russia has been providing all the weapons and ammo to Syria
Russian naval ships were unloading cargo few times a week but as time went by and Assad lost more and more
that support has stopped.

 

[Hyperion]

Russia stabs another ally in the back........ three nations on this planet can never ever be trusted, The Yanks, The Ruskies and smelly French!

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I don't think you quite get it. France is a 'partner' in order to sell highly prices arms to 'those silly, rich Arabs'. In the end, if Arabs were to say/do something about Palestine, who's side would France pick? Only the Chinese and possibly later the Indians are ONLY concerned with trade and growth, and want nothing in return, no bases, no policy influence etc. And they sure as hell wouldn't go against almost 2 billion people to 'help' 5 million.
Sure if there can be military cooperation with Russia, I'd be all for it. I doubt the US would allow it though. Fk me, I read Saudi recently purchased 20 black hawks for TWO BILLION dollars! That's just theft.
Well, the Iranian regime isn't going anywhere, just like the Kingdom isn't going anywhere. The cooperation must be between these regimes, not some far off, future 'what if' regime. At any case, both regimes are pretty much rational actors. Hostilities can only be taken away by enhancing ties. Look at that little Persian Gulf in between two huge lands. Looking away won't make that huge border disappear. At the end, they're neighbors.

I do. French involvement in the GCC is much more than weapon sales "to silly rich Arabs". I don't see anything silly about buying the best weapons anyway. It should just be done cleverly and one should not go overboard and kickstart indigenous projects alongside buying the best weapons which is thankfully something that KSA has started to do in recent years.

Similarily the GCC has huge investments in France. The relations are very much mutual and on the same level. Same with the UK.

Palestine is irrelevant here. Most Arabs have their own problems to worry about. It's a conflict that has been going on for 70 years and it's a conflict that the Palestinians and Israelis have to deal with themselves.

For now but China are already looking for such partners that can lease them land for military bases. The problem is that the US and the UK started doing that a century ago so they are late to the "party". Hence their difficulties of challenging US hegemony on this front.

Link?

House of Saud and the Iranian regime are definitely going to be toppled at one point. The question is when not if. By toppled I also mean serious reforms.

We are also neighbors with Israel. Yes, in a ideal world the serious disagreements would be solved but it looks very much unlikely as of now.

In any case I am always open for business to enlarge the family empire.

 

[haviZsultan]

As usual Russia back stabs it's ally and this is the true nature of these drunk ball-less people who have already sold too many allies in the world .

I have to admire the west , They at least have honor not to abandon their friends like a piece of cake .

If they don't fight the west in Syria , They'll have to face them in Moscow withing years or decades .

America abandoned us Pakistanis in 1965 and 1971. They imposed sanctions on both india and Pakistan in 1998 but withdrew sanctions on India soon after. When they didn't need us after the Afghan Soviet war which we helped them win they imposed sanctions upon us abandoning us. They only make temporary allies and abandon them when they are not needed. They are the hegemonic and decietful people on the face of the planet. Look what they did to Congo.Presler Amendment... no trusting the US

Russia is by far a much better ally than the US. Iran has never really cultivated proper relations with russia or even any other state since the fall of the Pehlevi shah. This I think you should consider this as a serious flaw. Everyone needs allies and Russia's line on Iran might shift to favourable, especially when they are annoyed with the west over Ukraine and the missile shield.

 

[IR-TR]

I do. French involvement in the GCC is much more than weapon sales "to silly rich Arabs". I don't see anything silly about buying the best weapons anyway. It should just be done cleverly and one should not go overboard and kickstart indigenous projects alongside buying the best weapons which is thankfully something that KSA has started to do in recent years.

Similarily the GCC has huge investments in France. The relations are very much mutual and on the same level. Same with the UK.

Palestine is irrelevant here. Most Arabs have their own problems to worry about. It's a conflict that has been going on for 70 years and it's a conflict that the Palestinians and Israelis have to deal with themselves.

For now but China are already looking for such partners that can lease them land for military bases. The problem is that the US and the UK started doing that a century ago so they are late to the "party". Hence their difficulties of challenging US hegemony on this front.

Link?

House of Saud and the Iranian regime are definitely going to be toppled at one point. The question is when not if. By toppled I also mean serious reforms.

We are also neighbors with Israel. Yes, in a ideal world the serious disagreements would be solved but it looks very much unlikely as of now.

In any case I am always open for business to enlarge the family empire.

I don't use the term silly rich arabs, I mean that's how they look at these things. Basically: we give you security support (until we want you gone), in the mean time use every single cent you make with oil sales (to us), by buying our overprices security equipment and invest in OUR faltering companies/stocks/real estate. Whatever you do, don't you DARE invest those moneys in things that might actually help the arab world in the long term (industry).

Fkc me. TEN (10) Sea Hawks for 2 billion.

Saudi Arabia Navy To Buy US Sea Hawk Helicopters In $1.9 Billion Deal Approved By State Department

This angers me, whatever I might think of Saudi policy.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

As usual Russia back stabs it's ally and this is the true nature of these drunk ball-less people who have already sold too many allies in the world .

I have to admire the west , They at least have honor not to abandon their friends like a piece of cake .

If they don't fight the west in Syria , They'll have to face them in Moscow withing years or decades .

Let's see for how long your regime will back your "friends" in the genocidal Al-Assad regime and Hezbollah. Something is telling me that that friendship will quickly ends once it becomes an annoyance for your regime rather than an asset.

In a few years (if not much earlier) when the Al-Assad regime collapses completely we will see your regime on the table trying to find a political solution and possibly selling Al-Assad in return for a new favorite pet.

Look at your great friend al-Maliki in Iraq.

 

[IR-TR]

its not just spare parts , Russia has been providing all the weapons and ammo to Syria
Russian naval ships were unloading cargo few times a week but as time went by and Assad lost more and more
that support has stopped.

Could be. But Assad (iran) paid for them. I suppose you're talking about 2012? Since then, pretty much nothing but spares have been sent to Syria. Anyway, without these 2 countries, Assad woud have had his ***(ad) kicked indeed.

Let's see for how long your regime will back your "friends" in the genocidal Al-Assad regime and Hezbollah. Something is telling me that that friendship will quickly ends once it becomes an annoyance for your regime rather than an asset.

In a few years (if not much earlier) when the Al-Assad regime collapses completely we will see your regime on the table trying to find a political solution and possibly selling Al-Assad in return for a new favorite pet.

Look at your great friend al-Maliki in Iraq.

Yes but that's the point. There is always a cost-benefit analysis, but Iran has already held out a LOT longer than many other allies would have ever had. It's already cost Iran dearly.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I don't use the term silly rich arabs, I mean that's how they look at these things. Basically: we give you security support (until we want you gone), in the mean time use every single cent you make with oil sales (to us), by buying our overprices security equipment and invest in OUR faltering companies/stocks/real estate. Whatever you do, don't you DARE invest those moneys in things that might actually help the arab world in the long term (industry).

I am just telling you that relations with France are different and much closer than that.

What we buy of weapons from them we have earned from our investments in the West. If we did not live in the region we live in we would not be buying their weapons but instead the relations would be one-sided and limited to them importing our natural resources and us investing in their lands and occasionally buying their best products.

I just gave you an example of France being heavily involved in building almost 20 upcoming nuclear reactors in KSA. KSA has fairly close ties with many leading American military companies and some of their spare parts are already produced in KSA and more is to follow.

Of course such a process should have occurred much, much earlier but somehow it never happened. Better late than never.

Also how can we forget the scholarship program in the US for instance where Saudi Arabian students are leading only behind the students of 1.3 billion big China, 1.2 billion big India and South Korea?

No country on the planet has as many students at US universities per capita as KSA.

It's a great thing and the fruits of that exchange program will be seen in the upcoming years along with the heavy investments of education within KSA.

My point in all of this is that the GCC should improve ties with Russia. A country and people that never did us any harm and a country that can offer you a lot if you know how to take the best from them and leave the negatives aside.

Turks and Iranians have had conflicts with Russia historically but not Arabs.

In the end every country wants/should want to become as indigenousness and independent as possible.

Fkc me. TEN (10) Sea Hawks for 2 billion.

Saudi Arabia Navy To Buy US Sea Hawk Helicopters In $1.9 Billion Deal Approved By State Department

This angers me, whatever I might think of Saudi policy.

You forgot to mention this below.

"The request includes the 10 helicopters and related equipment, weapons and support, according to a press release from the Pentagon's Defense Services Cooperation Agency (DSCA), which handles major arms sales. The deal includes missiles, radar, navigation systems and targeting equipment. The deal also includes 380 Advanced Precision Kill Weapons System rockets, which will give the newly added helicopters strong firepower. The naval purchase is intended to boost Saudi Arabia's ability to defend itself and combat enemy threats, according to the DSCA."

What did other importers pay in comparison for all of those products above? I don't think that they paid a much different price.

 

[IR-TR]

I am just telling you that relations with France are different and much closer than that.

What we buy of weapons from them we have earned from our investments in the West. If we did not live in the region we live in we would not be buying their weapons but instead the relations would be one-sided and limited to them importing our natural resources and us investing in their lands and occasionally buying their best products.

I just gave you an example of France being heavily involved in building almost 20 upcoming nuclear reactors in KSA. KSA has fairly close ties with many leading American military companies and some of their spare parts are already produced in KSA and more is to follow.

Of course such a process should have occurred much, much earlier but somehow it never happened. Better late than never.

Also how can we forget the scholarship program in the US for instance where Saudi Arabian students are leading only behind the students of 1.3 billion big China, 1.2 billion big India and South Korea?

No country on the planet has as many students at US universities per capita as KSA.

It's a great thing and the fruits of that exchange program will be seen in the upcoming years along with the heavy investments of education within KSA.

My point in all of this is that the GCC should improve ties with Russia. A country and people that never did us any harm and a country that can offer you a lot if you know how to take the best from them and leave the negatives aside.

Turks and Iranians have had conflicts with Russia historically but not Arabs.

In the end every country wants/should want to become as indigenousness and independent as possible.



You forgot to mention this below.

"The request includes the 10 helicopters and related equipment, weapons and support, according to a press release from the Pentagon's Defense Services Cooperation Agency (DSCA), which handles major arms sales. The deal includes missiles, radar, navigation systems and targeting equipment. The deal also includes 380 Advanced Precision Kill Weapons System rockets, which will give the newly added helicopters strong firepower. The naval purchase is intended to boost Saudi Arabia's ability to defend itself and combat enemy threats, according to the DSCA."

What did other importers pay in comparison?

I get that those choppers include missiles and radars etc, but come on, 200 million per HELICOPTER? Don't you see the point I'm making? Fking shake down deals like these are the reason there aren't more investments in the middle east. Taken together, the region's 400-500 million people, and world's largest deposit of resources, should have made the middle east the leading power of the world, instead of the world's fking boxing arena.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes but that's the point. There is always a cost-benefit analysis, but Iran has already held out a LOT longer than many other allies would have ever had. It's already cost Iran dearly.

That's exactly my point. People here look at geopolitics like it was some kind of tea party. Every entity is looking out for their interest first before anything else. Iran has much, much more to lose by "losing" Syria and potentially Hezbollah too than Russia.

Russia was/is the stronger part in the Russian-Iranian relations. They have little to lose if anything from "backstabbing Iran". Same story with US and KSA.

It's just how it is.

I get that those choppers include missiles and radars etc, but come on, 200 million per HELICOPTER? Don't you see the point I'm making? Fking shake down deals like these are the reason there aren't more investments in the middle east. Taken together, the region's 400-500 million people, and world's largest deposit of resources, should have made the middle east the leading power of the world, instead of the world's fking boxing arena.

I don't know how much they got from similar deals to other countries so I can't answer that.

It is how it is and there is not much to do but try to change that. Unfortunately we are our greatest enemies ourselves.

 

[White Tiger]

Russia tried to help Syrian regime to install peace and prosperity in their country again. but Assad the monster was just to dumb to make a peace deal with the rebels.

Now they will hunt him down like a rabbid dog.

You're only saying so because regime is losing right now

 

[IR-TR]

That's exactly my point. People here look at geopolitics like it was some kind of tea party. Every entity is looking out for their interest first before anything else. Iran has much, much more to lose by "losing" Syria and potentially Hezbollah too than Russia.

Russia was/is the stronger part in the Russian-Iranian relations. They have little to lose if anything from "backstabbing Iran". Same story with US and KSA.

It's just how it is.



I don't know how much they got from similar deals to other countries so I can't answer that.

It is how it is and there is not much to do but try to change that. Unfortunately we are our greatest enemies ourselves.

Yep agree on all points. Which is why I'd like to see the nuclear issue resolved, and Iran's economy booming. That doesn't need to come at the expense of Saudi Arabia, since Iran's potential is more in gas than oil. And I see what the US tries to do: create two balanced groups in the middle east, one led by Saudi/Turkey and one by Iran. The US doesn't have the resources to do it itself anymore, with it's Asia pivot. So I just hope those two groups won't turn a cold war into a hot one, aside from proxies.