Russia withdraws its remaining personnel from Syria

[IR-TR]

drinking is haram in islamic saudi kingdom.

are you stupid turk´?

He talked about Vodka Redbull. Perhaps he was just trying to relate to your 'people'. But you guys leave the redbull out of it, and just drink Vodka from the bottle. Baby milk bottle I mean.

 

[LordTyrannus]

@Saif al-Arab Saudi Kingdom and Gulf states OPEC must slow down oil production.So price becomes more stabil.

Let americans bark. They can´t bite any longer. Iraq war bankrupted them and they need all their forces in eastern europe and against china in far east. As long as Russia and China are strong.Saudis will be secure.

Oil price must grow, so russia can arm itself and stabilize the world against western warmongerers.

 

[IR-TR]

@Saif al-Arab Saudi Kingdom and Gulf states OPEC must slow down oil production.So price becomes more stabil.

Let americans bark. They can´t bite any longer. Iraq war bankrupted them and they need all their forces in eastern europe and against china in far east. As long as Russia and China are strong.Saudis will be secure.

Oil price must grow, so russia can arm itself and stabilize the world against western warmongerers.

You're delusional if you think Saudi Arabia will listen to Russia instead of the US. Besides, they want Iran to hurt from oil prices too.

 

[LordTyrannus]

You're delusional if you think Saudi Arabia will listen to Russia instead of the US. Besides, they want Iran to hurt from oil prices too.

What does a turk know about saudis?

You are shameless liars and godless faggots. Go worship atatork the gay,who abolished ottoman state and killed many many arabs.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

The US will never helped their so-called "allies" in the MENA region if they genuinely wish to become less dependent on the US/West.

I am sure that Russia and China would be more willing to cooperate with KSA in terms of technology, indigenous projects and even advanced weapons than the US. The latter always has to take Israel into consideration and I seriously doubt their promise of sticking up to the GCC nowadays.

Certain European countries are to be trusted though.

I can give you many examples of their false "support" but it's not the thread for it.

Unfortunately our regimes are to be blamed for it as they for far too long thought that they could buy US's trust. Now KSA at least has realized that USA cannot be trusted and that creating strong partnerships with a country like China and other developing powers is crucial.

Let alone the push towards indigenousness. Something that is in no interest of the US as they bankroll the ME with weapons. Weapons that will likely never be used against any regional rival.

Look at nuclear power in KSA. USA nowhere to be seen but South Korea, Japan, China, France etc. are involved. Many other sectors too.

It's all politics though and you can't bet on 1 horse only.

 

[LordTyrannus]

The US will never helped their so-called "allies" in the MENA region if they genuinely wish to become less dependent on the US/West.

I am sure that Russia and China would be more willing to cooperate with KSA in terms of technology, indigenous projects and even advanced weapons than the US. The latter always has to take Israel into consideration and I seriously doubt their promise of sticking up to the GCC nowadays.

Certain European countries are to be trusted though.

I can give you many examples of their false "support" but it's not the thread for it.

Unfortunately our regimes are to be blamed for it as they for far too long thought that they could buy US's trust. Now KSA at least has realized that USA cannot be trusted and that creating strong partnerships with a country like China and other developing powers is crucial.

Let alone the push towards indigenousness. Something that is in no interest of the US as they bankroll the ME with weapons. Weapons that will likely never be used against any regional rival.

Look at nuclear power in KSA. USA nowhere to be seen but South Korea, Japan, China, France etc. are involved. Many other sectors too.

It's all politics though and you can't bet on 1 horse only.

Your leaders have no fault.What can they do else?

You are like the original native american who stand in the way of the white anglo saxon monsters. Americans would try to genocide your people if Russia and China was absent.

You need a great army with a new salladin.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You drink???

I don't drink but many Arabs and Muslims do that and they don't stop being Muslims because they commit a sin. There are many worse sins than drinking that Muslims all over the world commit daily in full force.

 

[IR-TR]

The US will never helped their so-called "allies" in the MENA region if they genuinely wish to become less dependent on the US/West.

I am sure that Russia and China would be more willing to cooperate with KSA in terms of technology, indigenous projects and even advanced weapons than the US. The latter always has to take Israel into consideration and I seriously doubt their promise of sticking up to the GCC nowadays.

Certain European countries are to be trusted though.

I can give you many examples of their false "support" but it's not the thread for it.

Unfortunately our regimes are to be blamed for it as they for far too long thought that they could buy US's trust. Now KSA at least has realized that USA cannot be trusted and that creating strong partnerships with a country like China and other developing powers is crucial.

Let alone the push towards indigenousness. Something that is in no interest of the US as they bankroll the ME with weapons. Weapons that will likely never be used against any regional rival.

Look at nuclear power in KSA. USA nowhere to be seen but South Korea, Japan, China, France etc. are involved. Many other sectors too.

It's all politics though and you can't bet on 1 horse only.

Finally you get it, same with France. Those countries don't want ANY middle eastern country to be independent, be it Iran, Saudi Arabia or whom else. They want CLIENT states. That's it. And believe me, if anybody would just want to trade for mutual benefit, it's China and Germany. Not Russia, since they have nothing to add. Energy+energy=?? Energy? Or do you suppose a lot of Saudis want to drive Lada's The middle east needs to join east and west (minus US-france-britain). Meaning, enhance ties with both blocs, and try to enhance home-grown capabilities. That's the only way out of this disgusting mess. And finally, lay aside differences in the region. Because even though you might be arab nationalist or pan-arabist, Iran and Saudi have more mutual interest than Saudi and Morocco do. It's sheer geographics.

 

[HAIDER]

Why its Turks, Suadi and Isreali dream to see Syria under ISIS.........or totally destroyed noman land Syria. Well in the name of democracy , Morsi waiting death sentence ...what else....Middle Eastern fail to decide what they want...democracy or monarchy or anarchy....

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Your leaders have no fault.What can they do else?

You are like the original native american who stand in the way of the white anglo saxon monsters. Americans would try to genocide your people if Russia and China was absent.

You need a great army with a new salladin.

I think that you went too far here, lol.

My point is that everyone is looking for their interests and the US has by large been a good ally for the GCC and pro-US Arab countries but it has not all been rosy. Personally I don't trust their promises though. They will look for their own interests first as always and that's why I believe that KSA has done good (GCC as a whole too) by trying to create strong beneficial allies from China, US, India to Europe. All based on mutual interests mostly.

We miss Russia here though.

On the other hand there is no conspiracy about claiming that the US has no interest of MENA countries developing an indigenous military sector etc. American weapon producers are highly dependent on what MENA countries throw at them.

Anyway my criticism towards the US is solely aimed at their leadership which is poison like most leaderships of the world. Politics is poison.

Americans by large are great people and that's my impression with Russians too. Most if not all nationalities are mostly good. The bad ones just tend to gain most of the attention. We as Arabs know this when a few terrorists are generalized on all 450 million Arabs.

 

[LordTyrannus]

Finally you get it, same with France. Those countries don't want ANY middle eastern country to be independent, be it Iran, Saudi Arabia or whom else. They want CLIENT states. That's it. And believe me, if anybody would just want to trade for mutual benefit, it's China and Germany. Not Russia, since they have nothing to add. Energy+energy=?? Energy? Or do you suppose a lot of Saudis want to drive Lada's The middle east needs to join east and west (minus US-france-britain). Meaning, enhance ties with both blocs, and try to enhance home-grown capabilities. That's the only way out of this disgusting mess. And finally, lay aside differences in the region. Because even though you might be arab nationalist or pan-arabist, Iran and Saudi have more mutual interest than Saudi and Morocco do. It's sheer geographics.

Turks are lackeys of west, who can´t be trusted.

gaymal took away all your culture and replaced it with western latin alphabet.

he screwed you.

rofl

I think that you went too far here, lol.

My point is that everyone is looking for their interests and the US has by large been a good ally for the GCC and pro-US Arab countries but it has not all been rosy. Personally I don't trust their promises though. They will look for their own interests first as always and that's why I believe that KSA has done good (GCC as a whole too) by trying to create strong beneficial allies from China, US, India to Europe. All based on mutual interests mostly.

We miss Russia here though.

On the other hand there is no conspiracy about claiming that the US has no interest of MENA countries developing an indigenous military sector etc. American weapon producers are highly dependent on what MENA countries throw at them.

Anyway my criticism towards the US is solely aimed at their leadership which is poison like most leaderships of the world. Politics is poison.

Americans by large are great people and that's my impression with Russians too. Most if not all nationalities are mostly good. The bad ones just tend to gain most of the attention. We as Arabs know this when a few terrorists are generalized on all 450 million Arabs.

All amaerican peasants are told that arabs are terrorists in general.

don´t you know that?

 

[Azeri440]

Wow, a Saudi backed newspaper. Besides, Russia only gives political support and spare parts. Iran does the heavy lifting.

huh? Russia has been providing pretty much all of the equipment and training

 

[IR-TR]

huh? Russia has been providing pretty much all of the equipment and training

You're right about the equipment, but it's mostly helicopter/jet spare parts, tank threads etc etc. Training I dont know (sure, for flying jets/helo's etc). But I mean advisers to help fight ISIS etc, Iran is a lot more involved on the ground. But you're right, without those parts/training, there wouldn't be any air force flying today. Should have included that.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Finally you get it, same with France. Those countries don't want ANY middle eastern country to be independent, be it Iran, Saudi Arabia or whom else. They want CLIENT states. That's it. And believe me, if anybody would just want to trade for mutual benefit, it's China and Germany. Not Russia, since they have nothing to add. Energy+energy=?? Energy? Or do you suppose a lot of Saudis want to drive Lada's The middle east needs to join east and west (minus US-france-britain). Meaning, enhance ties with both blocs, and try to enhance home-grown capabilities. That's the only way out of this disgusting mess. And finally, lay aside differences in the region. Because even though you might be arab nationalist or pan-arabist, Iran and Saudi have more mutual interest than Saudi and Morocco do. It's sheer geographics.

I always knew the geopolitical realities of the world.

There is no perfect partnership. I just wrote that certain European states (among them France from KSA's/GCC's viewpoint) are trusted partners. Why? Because they have proved that more than once.

US was also a trusted partner especially when Republicans ruled it. The new administration is different. You need to adjust.

Russia is a highly advanced country technologically-wise. Especially militarily. I see no reason why KSA and the GCC could not cooperate with Russia on this front if it benefited them both?

Nor has this anything about Russian products. Of course people of the GCC will not buy Ladas when they can buy the best cars out there. If Russia develops equivalents to Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Ferrari people in the GCC (that can afford it) will buy it instead.

We Arabs don't have any beef with Russians. Millions of Russian tourists in the Arab world from Morocco to UAE. There is no reason for any hostility.

I not a Ba'athi. All I am in favor of is increased Arab cooperation. This is crucial for our region and has many more benefits than negatives. I don't have any dreams or wishes of the Arab world turning into a "United States of Arabia". At most a EU version of the Arab League and of course the unification of entire Arabia.

I already told 1000 times that I have nothing against having mutual ties with Iran, especially economical. I am against your regime though and what they are doing in the Arab world. If they were not meddling I would have nothing against them. Internal Iranian matters are not my business. I have no interest in them unless they are tied to Arab matters which they have tended to be since 1979.

All amaerican peasants are told that arabs are terrorists in general.

don´t you know that?

Yes, but they are told similar nonsense about almost any nationality that is not American. Those people are irrelevant and without influence so let them bark. The real decision makers are more clever than that. Nor do I care about what Americans think about anyone.

 

[IR-TR]

I always knew the geopolitical realities of the world.

There is no perfect partnership. I just wrote that certain European states (among them France from KSA's/GCC's viewpoint) are trusted partners. Why? Because they have proved that more than once.

US was also a trusted partner especially when Republicans ruled it. The new administration is different. You need to adjust.

Russia is a highly advanced country technologically-wise. Especially militarily. I see no reason why KSA and the GCC could not cooperate with Russia on this front if it benefited them both?

Nor has this anything about Russian products. Of course people of the GCC will not buy Ladas when they can buy the best cars out there. If Russia develops equivalents to Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Ferrari people in the GCC (that can afford it) will buy it instead.

We Arabs don't have any beef with Russians. Millions of Russian tourists in the Arab world from Morocco to UAE. There is no reason for any hostility.

I not a Ba'athi. All I am in favor of is increased Arab cooperation. This is crucial for our region and has many more benefits than negatives. I don't have any dreams or wishes of the Arab world turning into a "United States of Arabia". At most a EU version of the Arab League and of course the unification of entire Arabia.

I already told 1000 times that I have nothing against having mutual ties with Iran, especially economical. I am against your regime though and what they are doing in the Arab world. If they were not meddling I would have nothing against them. Internal Iranian matters are not my business.

I don't think you quite get it. France is a 'partner' in order to sell highly prices arms to 'those silly, rich Arabs'. In the end, if Arabs were to say/do something about Palestine, who's side would France pick? Only the Chinese and possibly later the Indians are ONLY concerned with trade and growth, and want nothing in return, no bases, no policy influence etc. And they sure as hell wouldn't go against almost 2 billion people to 'help' 5 million.
Sure if there can be military cooperation with Russia, I'd be all for it. I doubt the US would allow it though. Fk me, I read Saudi recently purchased 20 black hawks for TWO BILLION dollars! That's just theft.
Well, the Iranian regime isn't going anywhere, just like the Kingdom isn't going anywhere. The cooperation must be between these regimes, not some far off, future 'what if' regime. At any case, both regimes are pretty much rational actors. Hostilities can only be taken away by enhancing ties. Look at that little Persian Gulf in between two huge lands. Looking away won't make that huge border disappear. At the end, they're neighbors.