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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

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Russian “shell hunger” in Ukraine, Prigoshin delivers grim warning to Shoigu


Yevgeny Prigozhin complained that Wagner fighters are denied the necessary ammo to be effective in battle. Alexander Khodakovsky of the pro-Russian Vostok Battalion reported that this situation is now similar to that of the entire Russian army.

These reports indicate not just a shell hunger but rather a ‘shell famine’. He also adds that the regular Russian army had to preserve ammo for the Vuhledar disaster to at least be able to sustain that offensive for 1 (!) day.

Roughly one month ago, I assessed that Russia would find it difficult to launch any major offensives in the spring due to a shortage of ammunition. It seems as if I might have been correct.

Russia’s shortage in ammunition in eastern Ukraine is getting so severe that its troops have been given ammunition that is not usable in any way. This includes shells, which were so rusty that they would belong on an old metal storage rather than a warzone. Shells have a normal shelf life of 25 to 30 years. If the storage conditions are optimal, maybe 35 to 40 years could be possible. It comes to no surprise for me that Russia would not store their ammo properly. The pictures I will share here will speak for themselves.

In this article, we will see Soviet/ Russian competence in a nutshell. The USSR wasted billions preparing for a war that never came to pass. They NEVER threw anything away, they simply stored all of it, a bit like a country sized hoarder. The Soviets never were competent at any type of long term maintenance. When the USSR Collapsed there was no money or manpower to properly maintain the storage. These depots were then subjected to the competent hands of corrupt officials who sold off a lot of parts and equipment/ ammo and left to deteriorate. Ammunition has to be kept in sealed containers at the appropriate temperature and protected from moisture.

Even then, just the aging of the powder and explosive material in the shells will degrade regardless.

Something of note about the russian ammo. I can say firsthand that those old soviet bunkers and concrete structures built by the military tend to leak if they aren’t maintained properly. If I had to make an educated guess where this ammo was stored, I would say exactly in these bunkers. Some of the nuclear bunkers will even be completely flooded by now.

In this article, we will see Soviet/ Russian competence in a nutshell. The USSR wasted billions preparing for a war that never came to pass. They NEVER threw anything away, they simply stored all of it, a bit like a country sized hoarder. The Soviets never were competent at any type of long term maintenance. When the USSR Collapsed there was no money or manpower to properly maintain the storage. These depots were then subjected to the competent hands of corrupt officials who sold off a lot of parts and equipment/ ammo and left to deteriorate. Ammunition has to be kept in sealed containers at the appropriate temperature and protected from moisture.




The second photo is a document detailing the transfer of ammunition to a russian unit on the 30th of December 2022.

Here is a translated piece to make you understand what we are looking at here. This is a report by a Russian soldier receiving this ammunition.

The list contains various 122mm rockets for BM-21 and 152mm artillery shells. The fun parts are columns #7 (units of measurement) and #8 (allocated quantity). For all items, the unit of measure is “thousand items”, but the numbers for the allocated quantity start from the second digit after the decimal sign. So for the first item — 122 mm high explosive rockets thy have allocated 0.021\*1000 or 21 rockets in total. For reference, BM-21 has 40 launch tubes. The rest of the list continues in the same spirit. See, tovarish, we are allocating to you thousands of rounds of ammo! Load all of the 0.021 thousand rounds and fight!

This is what I tend to visualize when I hear reports that Russia has thousands of tanks and IFVs in storage.

There’s only so many decades you can leave such machinery laying around without solid maintenance and upkeep before it just becomes… well, this. It comes to as no surprise to me that Russian shelling has decreased so substantially over the past several months. But as far as I know Russia and their lack of competent maintenance, the ordnance officer in charge may have reacted to seeing this mess in this kind of fashion:

he VChK-OGPU Telegram channel has posted photos of some of the ammunition that it says Russian regular forces have been issued.

This suggests that the shortage isn’t just confined to ‘independent’ mercenary or militia groups but also affects the army itself. This indicates that the shell shortage is not just confined to some parts of the front, but rather that we could be looking a “global shell shortage” across the entire Russian armed forces. However, this information is still quite fresh, so we shouldn’t jump to conclusions just yet. If these shell shortages are a bigger issues across the entire frontline, then the light at the end of the tunnel may indeed have gotten a lot brighter as we head towards spring/summer.

To be fair, most of the poor state of the Russian military is unknown to everyone, including the Russians themselves.

Corruption in the Russian military is so bad that all kinds of people at all levels steal and divert funds intended to maintain and replace supplies, so that only some fraction of the money spent goes into actually getting new supplies. Someone can pretend to buy a crate of "new" ammo, pocket the money, and just deliver a crate of old existing ammo instead.

Few have the incentive of uncovering the actual extent of corruption.

In fact, many have the incentive to cover it up as much as possible to avoid their own fraud being exposed. Not just Western military experts, but Putin himself likely has no idea what the true situation is with respect to the state of supplies and equipment in the Russian military. The decline of quality and amounts of ammo has been ongoing for some time now and it’s not UA propaganda it is truth because there’s a lot of sources including pows, Prigozhin himself, intercepted comms, etc. Ru obviously isn’t able to sustain the rate of ammo production needed for such a huge front.






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Especially for offensive operations, UA, on the other hand, has a steady supply of every ammo type it needs (there’s shortages also, but they are not as systemic or as global as those of Russia)
While it is possible to defend with an artillery shortage. Your losses are higher. With enough canon-fodder and entrenchments, a tactical defense seems still possible. I don’t think most armies know yet how to go on offensive with an artillery shortage. Artillery suppresses, kills, and sometimes conceals, which is allowing troops to advance into assault positions.

“You will not find it difficult to prove that battles, campaigns, and even wars have been won or lost primarily because of logistics.” — General Dwight D. Eisenhower, USA
Russia’s various military institutions are falling apart

But Putin has been content with “frozen wars” for 2 decades, and that’s his aim here. Exert influence on foreign politics to support a ceasefire, he might very well get his frozen war in 2024 if his influence operations work. We cannot allow this evil plan to succeed. These cases of inadequate quality ammunition are including category 2 and 3 (with defects or generally unsuitable for combat use)”. Russia’s is diggin deep into their storage so it is more important than ever to increase pressure on their logistics and on their economy by any means possible.

We can see from these pictures that the ammunition is not just unusable but probably unsafe to use. This is very likely due to the bad conditions in which it was stored.

Originally, I thought the low amount of ammo for Wagner was meant to punish Prigoshin.

It also sure was for some time. But these picture that we saw here, are actual evidence that the ammo of Russian forces is really on the verge of running so low that Russia cannot go on the offensive and will barely be able to remain on the defensive. No sane person in the military (yes, even in Russia’s military) would send such ammo. Not unless anything else would be available.

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Exagerrating and fictionilizing like RT:

Just stating facts.

But if West was complicity in supplying dual use chemicals that may have allowed Iraq to manufacture.

Western regimes were complicit in the use of WMD, which onto itself is an unlawful act. They were perfectly aware Saddam is manufacturing these weapons yet never took any measures to prevent companies based in their countries from continuing the supply of precursors. Moreover, plants manufacturing the illicit weapons were set up with the help of European contractors.

But that's not all, NATO regimes made themselves complicit to this war crime in other ways as well: namely, the fact that Washington was feeding the Iraqi military with live satellite imagery during operations in which Baghdad resorted to poison gas - this happened not once, not twice but numerous times; also, when Iran sought to have the attacks condemned at the UN Security Council, the USA made sure that Iran's effort would not bear fruit.

I haven't seen a single post saying the attacks were justified.

In response to user Hack-Hook's reminder of how the American regime intervened to shield Iraq from legal consequences for its WMD attacks on Iran, a supporter of NATO replied in the following terms:

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Apart from the fact that Washington did not merely remain passive towards the crime but proactively used its diplomatic apparatus with the express goal of undercutting any procedure at the UN which could have resulted in a Security Council condemnation of Saddam's regime, the above quote means two things:

1) Its author who regularly invokes international law, is now making a mockery of the latter by endorsing differential treatment of subjects of law depending on their political identity.

2) Its author believes it was in order to watch Iranian children being gassed - since the attacks were not targeting Iranian forces alone, they were also aimed at villages and towns murdering scores of civilians including children - on grounds that the Iranian government supposedly was "an outlaw" (unsubstantiated statement to boot). In other terms, the subject is implying that gassing Iranian children to death is tolerable due to whatever violations of international regulations they gratuitously attribute to the Iranian government.

So my point stands. Anyone sharing this line of thinking isn't morally in a position to lecture others about war crimes.

I have not been part of that dialogue but I did initiate it that European countries and US put zero pressure in Iraq engaging in tactics then because they disliked more but were much more vocal in Syria

My remark wasn't directed at you.
 
So you admit that Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic of Iran , Hossein Amirabdollahian ,was lying when he emphasized that Tehran had delivered drones to Russia MOUNTHS prior to the Ukraine conflict ?

Clearly they could have not delivered them " months " before the war if the date shows 02/2002 .

He never claimed every single drone had been delivered months earlier. His statement does not exclude the possibility of continuous deliveries starting months earlier and ending once Russia initiated its military operation in late February.

However I'm seeing western sources spinning facts:

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No, it doesn't indicate such a thing. Russia started its military operation on 24 February 2022. Thus The Guardian is suggesting, without providing the slightest evidence, that manufacture of this propeller was completed during the five final days of February or that Iran took delivery of it from a foreign supplier over the same short period of time. In reality if it was ready for shipment as late as the 15th, this would indicate Iran did not supply the item to Russia during the war. At any rate this is a pretty fallacious formulation by The Guardian, anything but serious for a supposedly reputable paper.
 
how many T90M tanks can Russia make a month ?

what kind of production are we talking here ?
The West estimate Russia produces 20 pieces of T90 in different configurations per month in the tank fabric in Ural. The factory runs around the clock. The T90M series is the most modern however Russia can hardly make them because of western sanctions on opto, electronics and chips.

Putin holds the mass of T90M tanks back for the confrontation against the NATO armies. He just sends few to Ukraine, probably as test in war. Mass of Russia tanks deployed to Ukraine are of T72s. It’s said Russia still has 3,000-4,000 pieces of different tanks in Ural.
 

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It does feel like America is "itching" for China to join this war ( re : increase of US soldiers in Taiwan )..

I'm just surprised that China waited this long because people know that after mental Putin Russia stupid mistake, China is next.
 
Exagerrating and fictionilizing like RT: the discussion on Iranians has nothing to do with disagreement on use of chemical weapons in Iran Iraq war. But if West was complicity in supplying dual use chemicals that may have allowed Iraq to manufacture. I haven't seen a single post saying the attacks were justified.
they built and financed the factory that produced those weapons and they protected Iraq in UNSC, what else they needed to do ?
 
the update is that meatgrinder is at work and Russians and Ukrainian + Eu mercenaries are falling like autumn leaves
who's meat grinder is working better ?

Ukraine now a ‘battle of logistics’ – NATO chief
Russia is currently winning the race for ammunition, Jens Stoltenberg has said

With the conflict in Ukraine becoming a “war of attrition,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg cautioned that the West should “not underestimate” Russia’s firepower advantage. Stoltenberg claimed that the Western bloc is stepping up ammo production, but was unable to define its end goal in Ukraine.

Speaking to CNN’s Christine Amanpour at the Munich Security Conference last weekend, Stoltenberg said that Russia has thus far been able to bring more ammunition and manpower to the frontline than Ukraine.

Ukraine’s ammo consumption is “higher than [NATO’s] total production,” he continued, adding that this situation “cannot continue.”
“So far we have depleted our stocks, but at some stage we need to get more ammunition produced,”
he told Amanpour.

Despite Ukraine receiving tens of millions of dollars worth of Western weapons – including nearly 1.5 million artillery shells from the US alone, Russia has held a firepower advantage since the start of its military operation last February. The Ukrainian side is currently firing between 5,000 and 6,000 artillery rounds per day, according to most Western assessments, while estimates of Russian fire have varied hugely from anywhere between 5,000 and 60,000 shells per day.

Stoltenberg has repeatedly called on NATO members to step up their ammunition production to close the gap, as have other Western leaders. The EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, said on Sunday that Ukraine’s backers need to resolve the ammunition shortage within “a matter of weeks” if Kiev is to have any chance of success on the battlefield.

Since last fall, the conflict in Ukraine has “moved into a war of attrition,” Stoltenberg said, adding that a “war of attrition is a battle of logistics; as in how do you get enough stuff – materiel, spare parts, ammunition, fuel – to the front lines.”

While Stoltenberg was clear about the need for NATO to step up arms production, he was vague about how the US-led alliance wants the conflict to end. He told Amanpour that “nobody knows how and when this war will end,” and that it will “maybe” be resolved at the negotiating table.

Stoltenberg said that NATO will allow Ukraine to define what “winning” would look like, but would not directly say that he endorses Kiev’s stated goal of seizing the Russian territory of Crimea.
 
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who's meat grinder is working better ?

Ukraine now a ‘battle of logistics’ – NATO chief
Russia is currently winning the race for ammunition, Jens Stoltenberg has said

With the conflict in Ukraine becoming a “war of attrition,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg cautioned that the West should “not underestimate” Russia’s firepower advantage. Stoltenberg claimed that the Western bloc is stepping up ammo production, but was unable to define its end goal in Ukraine.

Speaking to CNN’s Christine Amanpour at the Munich Security Conference last weekend, Stoltenberg said that Russia has thus far been able to bring more ammunition and manpower to the frontline than Ukraine.

Ukraine’s ammo consumption is “higher than [NATO’s] total production,” he continued, adding that this situation “cannot continue.”
“So far we have depleted our stocks, but at some stage we need to get more ammunition produced,”
he told Amanpour.

Despite Ukraine receiving tens of millions of dollars worth of Western weapons – including nearly 1.5 million artillery shells from the US alone, Russia has held a firepower advantage since the start of its military operation last February. The Ukrainian side is currently firing between 5,000 and 6,000 artillery rounds per day, according to most Western assessments, while estimates of Russian fire have varied hugely from anywhere between 5,000 and 60,000 shells per day.

Stoltenberg has repeatedly called on NATO members to step up their ammunition production to close the gap, as have other Western leaders. The EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, said on Sunday that Ukraine’s backers need to resolve the ammunition shortage within “a matter of weeks” if Kiev is to have any chance of success on the battlefield.

Since last fall, the conflict in Ukraine has “moved into a war of attrition,” Stoltenberg said, adding that a “war of attrition is a battle of logistics; as in how do you get enough stuff – materiel, spare parts, ammunition, fuel – to the front lines.”

While Stoltenberg was clear about the need for NATO to step up arms production, he was vague about how the US-led alliance wants the conflict to end. He told Amanpour that “nobody knows how and when this war will end,” and that it will “maybe” be resolved at the negotiating table.

Stoltenberg said that NATO will allow Ukraine to define what “winning” would look like, but would not directly say that he endorses Kiev’s stated goal of seizing the Russian territory of Crimea.
what's the use of logistics without men to operate them .
the war is not sustainable as its now . I doubt it can last even 4 year by the amount of loss there ..

and Ukraine loss of personnel is as high even higher than Russia
 
what's the use of logistics without men to operate them .
the war is not sustainable as its now . I doubt it can last even 4 year by the amount of loss there ..

and Ukraine loss of personnel is as high even higher than Russia
Man 4 years ? damn that is huge time.
 
what's the use of logistics without men to operate them .
the war is not sustainable as its now . I doubt it can last even 4 year by the amount of loss there ..

and Ukraine loss of personnel is as high even higher than Russia
There is no indication Ukrainian loss is higher or even as high as Russia. In fact, Ukraine is still making use of the 700,000 they raised back in June 2022, and Russia is moving on to the second mobilised troop.

There is a reason why even Russia now dumps all the Mobilised men they have back in Oct 2022 and they still lacking progress. Russia attrition rate is at least on par with the Ukrainian, if not worse (as military strategist dictated)
 
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