What's new

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2


1:44 p.m. ET, January 27, 2023

Satellite pictures reveal rapidly expanding cemetery of Russia's Wagner mercenary group​

From CNN’s Vasco Cotovio, Paul P. Murphy and Anna Chernova


Graves of Russian Wagner mercenary group fighters are seen in a cemetery near the village of Bakinskaya in Krasnodar region, Russia, on January 22.
Graves of Russian Wagner mercenary group fighters are seen in a cemetery near the village of Bakinskaya in Krasnodar region, Russia, on January 22. (Reuters)

Satellite images of an area near a village in Russia show a rapidly expanding cemetery where many of those killed fighting for the Wagner Group — a Russian private mercenary organization heavily involved in the war in Ukraine — are buried.
Pictures of rows of fresh graves near the village of Bakinskaya in the Krasnodar region first started emerging on social media in December. And on Jan. 2, Russian State News Agency RIA Novosti showed Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin visiting the site and laying a wreath on one of the graves.
“Here we bury fighters who indicated in their will that they want to be buried here,” Prigozhin explained, according to RIA. “Or orphans and those whose bodies, for some reason, relatives do not want to take.”

Satellite images show of rows of fresh graves near the village of Bakinskaya in the Krasnodar region, Russia, on November 24, 2022.
Satellite images show of rows of fresh graves near the village of Bakinskaya in the Krasnodar region, Russia, on November 24, 2022. (Maxar Technologies)

Satellite pictures taken by on Nov. 24, 2022, show three rows of graves on a new plot. When Prigozhin visited in early January, he told RIA Novosti that 93 graves had been dug. Another Maxar satellite picture taken on Jan. 24 shows the plot already virtually full, with 14 additional rows.

Satellite images show of rows of fresh graves near the village of Bakinskaya in the Krasnodar region, Russia, on January 24, 2023.
Satellite images show of rows of fresh graves near the village of Bakinskaya in the Krasnodar region, Russia, on January 24, 2023. (Maxar Technologies)
According to the Institute for the Study of War, the Bakinskaya cemetery seen in satellite pictures, as well as a nearby secondary location in the nearby town of Goryachy Klyuch, may hold around 1,000 dead Wagner soldiers.
Local activists reported the mercenary group began using the Bakinskaya cemetery after it ran out of space at a Wagner-affiliated chapel in Goryachy Klyuch.
“The majority of the Wagner Group personnel buried at these sites were reportedly prisoners, a result of the Wagner Group‘s overwhelming reliance on prison recruitment and its operational use of these personnel in costly assaults,” the ISW said in its analysis on Friday.
“The high number of casualties is likely constraining the Wagner Group’s ability to continue offensive operations at a high pace and will likely prompt further prison recruitment efforts,” it added.
More on Wagner's role in Ukraine: Wagner fighters have been locked in a long battle of attrition with Ukrainian forces as they've taken the town of Soledar and are now engaged in the assault on Bakhmut and surrounding villages. Ukrainian officials say Wagner has sent waves of infantry toward their positions and have suffered heavy losses in the process.
The high number of casualties earned the area the nickname of “meat grinder,” and the rapidly expanding graveyard in Bakinskaya illustrates the high death toll.
According to Wagner founder Yevgeny Prighozin, only some of the group’s fighters are buried there.
The US Treasury Department on Thursday designated Wagner a significant transnational criminal organization and imposed a slew of sanctions on a transnational network that supports it.




12:08 p.m. ET, January 27, 2023

Senior EU official calls for "Free Radio Russia" project to let Russian media report without censorship​

From CNN's Amy Cassidy and Sugam Pokharel

A senior official for the European Union on Friday called for the creation of a "Free Radio Russia" project to enable independent Russian journalists to report without censorship from the Kremlin.
“I want to launch a Radio Free Russia project,” said EU Commission Vice President Vera Jourová, similar to the idea of Radio Free Europe or Voice of America, founded to counter propaganda and transmit uncensored news and information during the Cold War and World War II respectively.
It would not mean creating a brand-new radio station, she said during a speech in the Estonian capital of Tallinn, rather a platform “to support those who are doing a lot already, help them to create economy of scale and fill the gaps so they can produce more content and distribute it more widely without any editorial interference."
Many independent journalists have been expelled from Russia since its invasion of Ukraine in wake of its censorship, and so a number of news outlets such as Novaya Gazeta now operate in the EU, providing a “unique opportunity," she said.
“We need to create the conditions for them to work and tell the story of the EU they see and experience to their Russian audiences,” Jourová continued. “It is not only a moral duty, it is in our self-interest.”
The commissioner reflected on her childhood in Soviet-era Czech Republic to “reject” the argument that “all Russians” support Moscow’s government, urging Europe not to “give up on the Russian society [...] regardless of how few or how many want to hear the real news, not Kremlin propaganda.”
Some background:
The Russian government adopted a law criminalizing the dissemination of what it calls “deliberately false” information about the Russian armed forces in early March, just days after Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The maximum penalty under the law is 15 years in prison.




12:23 p.m. ET, January 27, 2023
 
.
With collapsing ukriane front this was a necessity
However this may back fire if ukriane makes rapid gains it may force Russia hand to use tactical low yield nukes on ukriane front line or cities
And let the world besides Ukrainians and Russians see what Putin has done. Russia will never be the same.

The Ukraine needs peace negotiations.
You mean Russia needs peace negotiations.

Let’s wait. I don’t think it would take a year before Ukraine get the tanks. Abrams run on gas turbine it’s like a jet with a 120mm big cannon. However the engine can be modified to run on diesel like leopards 2.
Biden says the US will build a tank battalion of 31 Abrams, 8 tank recovery vehicles come in addition. while Germany and other European allies 2 battalions with 80 leopards 2. In 3 months Ukraine can launch limited counteroffensive. For a start it’s not too bad.
From the performance many say Abrams are better because more protections. That’s very true in Iraq.


View attachment 913235
Engine doesn't need to be modified. It can run any fuel.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is Russia's current real plan?

Do they intend to fully or partially annex Ukraine?
Previously it was to destroy Ukraine and take it permanently. Now they have to adjust their plans with the territories they seized and try to defend it.
 
Last edited:
.


Are you doubting the Ukrainians can fly F16s and maintain them if they get them?

Thats like saying the Vietnamese and Afghans are doomed when facing against a superior enemy.
I say they will be a lot more effective with them if you collect Su-27, Mig-29 or Su-30 from other countries around the world and send them those instead of f16
 
.
right now Russian in Russia don't like the war, you can say they are not in war mode , if NATO gave Ukraine those long range missile Zelensky crave and then they target deep inside Russia with them there is the danger that make Russian united on the war.
I think it was a wise move not to gave him those long range missile . on other hand if the range of the MLRS Ukraine have access to get increased up to let say 150-160km that can help a lot without the danger of uniting Russians
Umm the Ukrainians have been able to hit deep into Russia just like for example hitting their strategic bombers. Not to mention the constant attacks in Belgorod. So don't really see the Russians feeling like they are united on the war.

I say they will be a lot more effective with them if you collect Su-27, Mig-29 or Su-30 from other countries around the world and send them those instead of f16
Poland and some other countries have provided those aircraft especially the Mig 29s and Su 25s. But Ukraine wants western aircraft which F16s is the best aircraft to use. Its cheaper and can fire or drop pretty much any NATO standard weapon. Importantly JDAMs.
 
.
Umm the Ukrainians have been able to hit deep into Russia just like for example hitting their strategic bombers. Not to mention the constant attacks in Belgorod. So don't really see the Russians feeling like they are united on the war.
Belgorod a border town , deep inside Russia ? One or Two time that had very limited damage
Poland and some other countries have provided those aircraft especially the Mig 29s and Su 25s. But Ukraine wants western aircraft which F16s is the best aircraft to use. Its cheaper and can fire or drop pretty much any NATO standard weapon. Importantly JDAMs.
problem is by 6 month of training you won't become proficient with air plane.
sure you learn how to operate but you will be a mediocre or just OK pilot by just that amount of training

and Ukraine likes many thing , a 4 year old also like many thing do you think you must provide it to them , their last order also Include Rafale and Grippen.

who bet if you provide it to them they won't ask for F-35
 
.
Belgorod a border town , deep inside Russia ? One or Two time that had very limited damage
Crimea? The Putin's personal bridge? Many others? Didn't the Russians threaten Ukraine with doom and gloom if the bridge is to be touched or Crimea gets hit?
problem is by 6 month of training you won't become proficient with air plane.
sure you learn how to operate but you will be a mediocre or just OK pilot by just that amount of training
The Ukrainian pilots have been flying since the start of the war. Introducing them to a new plane and fly them shouldn't take too long. They are not stupid. If they can operate complex air defense to artillery to whatever. They can do the same with planes. They even built their own planes to ships to tanks long before this war started.

I guess Russia has soon more red lines than tanks.
View attachment 913549
And what happens if Ukraine is able to build their own in near future with help from their allies? Heck don't be surprised Ukraine developed their own Shahed thanks to Iran.
 
Last edited:
.
and Ukraine likes many thing , a 4 year old also like many thing do you think you must provide it to them , their last order also Include Rafale and Grippen.

who bet if you provide it to them they won't ask for F-35
Who wouldn't want an F-35? But the Ukrainians are realistic and won't ask for that but at least other aircraft like Gripen or F-16s and are able to use them effectively. From HIMARs to artillery to tanks in future. So why not F-16s?
 
.
Its worse, the families are getting bags of potatoes and sugar if they are lucky. At worse, a block of ice.
As bonus people can mark their graves with: here lying killers, looters, rapists and hooligans. They gave their lives while hunting nazi in Donbas.
 
.
Crimea? The Putin's personal bridge? Many others? Didn't the Russians threaten Ukraine with doom and gloom if the bridge is to be touched or Crimea gets hit?
everyone knew what is Crimea. Putin may say anything but Crimea is nothing but part of russia century long desire for accessing to warm water

The Ukrainian pilots have been flying since the start of the war. Introducing them to a new plane and fly them shouldn't take too long. They are not stupid. If they can operate complex air defense to artillery to whatever. They can do the same with planes. They even built their own planes to ships to tanks long before this war started.
well as far as i'm aware it take more time than that . a airplane must become an extension of the pilot and honestly ukraine airdefence is not something to brag about
 
. .
More sanctions by the EU on Russia energy exports coming. That will squeeze Russia revenues further. The 10th sanctions package. Next rounds of sanctions packages are prepared. That will be a total embargo cutting Russia off from everything.


 
.
Who wouldn't want an F-35? But the Ukrainians are realistic and won't ask for that but at least other aircraft like Gripen or F-16s and are able to use them effectively. From HIMARs to artillery to tanks in future. So why not F-16s?
operating Grippen would probably be even harder for ukrainian pilots , they had to learn new way of warfare , a squadran of grippen like f-35 get integrated together for maximum efficiency , the ukrainian pilots never used such warfare for them aircrafts were independent units and because of their very limited (lat say lack of) datalink the level of integration of these planes are new and can be problematic , they flying Rafale is far more realistic than expect them to be able to fly F-35 or Grippen and be able to use them effectively and don't make mistakess
 
. .
operating Grippen would probably be even harder for ukrainian pilots , they had to learn new way of warfare , a squadran of grippen like f-35 get integrated together for maximum efficiency , the ukrainian pilots never used such warfare for them aircrafts were independent units and because of their very limited (lat say lack of) datalink the level of integration of these planes are new and can be problematic , they flying Rafale is far more realistic than expect them to be able to fly F-35 or Grippen and be able to use them effectively and don't make mistakess
F16 is much more realistic. I think it’s coming, as next logical step on escalation ladder. First, only the US is capable, it can provide fighter jets in sizable numbers. Second, the Russians will not dare to threaten Biden with retaliation. Sweden is in contrast a small fish, Putin will say he will invade the country tomorrow.
 
. .

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom