Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[925boy]

China has nothing to fear and the West is not as strong as you may think. The world is in multipolar stage and the west can only exercise power in their corner nowadays as technology have exploded.

The NATO-Europe bloc is weak outside of Great Britain and Turkey whereas France is somehow not stabile. Germany can provide fodders but there is no motive and not the german of old where they were fanatics and believed in something.

Outside of that the Americans have to do all the heavy lifting and they don't have the capacity..

US+NATO can be defeated flat-out conventionally in east Europe if Russia provides a corridor for China and allies and this is only by China and other allies doesn't even have include Russia take them out of the occasion. All these smaller fiefdom EU states don't add anything to the occasion they are just vessals.

China knows it is eventually being eyed they aren't gonna sit there and waste time they are probably providing Russia covertly with alot of ammos and keep feeding them

Great post, fully agree. Dollar default also ensures the game is over, no ifs ands or butts.

 

[925boy]

M1 Abram vs T90M?

who wins? will Abram come with Trophy defence ?

Wow just Wow

T90 wins,because the M1 Abrams won't show up on the Ukraine battlefield. Lmaooo

 

[Mohsin A]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618515530213920773

 

[That Guy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618521100564197376

Because sending an ally help is warmongering, right?

But invading a sovereign country, and denying their existence? Nope, completely peaceful.

 

[Solidify]

Greatest Joke of the War

President Joe Biden said that he was providing 31 M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. (like this is going to make a difference??? )
31 tanks provided after Training & shipment from US to Ukraine will take more than 6 months minimum to reach. The battle field would have totally changed by the time these insignificant number of tanks arrive in Ukr. Its like sending a loaded Rolls Royce to battle with its own defence group of soldiers incase it doesn't get damaged.

MSN

 

[mike2000 is back]

That is why the preferred solution is Leopards as the logstic chain for that can be easily built up in Ukraine. I do think Germany is making a poor decision here as most of the EU countries that have bought Leopards wont be buying further versions and new tanks from Germany as Germany is simply not a reliable "security partner".

Lool Germany has never been a reliable security partner. I also blame the US and UK for this, since after WWII they overdid it in putting Germans against anything military or defense. So we created a Germany that's against anything military related and even more so in supplying defence products abroad. So it's normal that Germany will be so unreliable as a military supplier despite their top of the lines weapons. If not for that, Germany alone if they put their hearts and mind to it fully can out-produce and out supply Russia anyday all by themselves. We wont even need other NATO countries to help Ukraine.
This is contrary to Japan, where the US didn't go overboard in shaping the country's establishment and people to be against anything military. So reason we see that Japanbusually takes measures to boost its defence spending and military equipments when they see a military threat coming from China or Noeth Korea. Unlike Germany who will remain lethargic despite Russias credible threats in Europe, in fact im sire Germany remain that way even if Russia was invading their eqsteen territory tomorrow

Reason I belive all that talk of a sovereign European Army between E.U members states free of the US or U.K to some extent, is all bullshit. This Ukraine war has shown that E.U (especially the western ones) countries are not as reliable as they should be. AMONG wdstern powers it's the U.S and U.K(to a lesser extent relative to the U.S) doing much of the heavy lifting when shit hits the fan. So how can other E.U countries trust France and Germany to lead a European army? Lol Those who were reticent about a U.S critical role in Europe now understand that they cant count much on Germany and France. So this so called silly "True independent European army" to stand against Russia or even the U.S like french président Macron used to pushed for is death before it even started lol This war has shown who is who when shit goes down..

 

[mike2000 is back]

Because sending an ally help is warmongering, right?

But invading a sovereign country, and denying their existence? Nope, completely peaceful.

Dont mind those Russian wannabes. They have drqnk the Putin copium so much that they seem to have lost their rationality.. Russia invasio, denial of Ukraine as a state, deamnds of total disarmament from a sovereign country and the killing and rape of its people is all good and justified, but the West sending any form of aid is 'evil' You cant reason with people like that. Im sure if that happened to their own country, they will be singing a different song, and asking why the West/international community isnt providing more aid to them. Imagine India doing something similar to Pakistan. PDF won't sleep with demanding aid from China and the West against Indian aggression for example. Lol

 

[mike2000 is back]

The USA Standard Operating Procedure of the Ukraine War is when Ukraine looks like it is losing. Have the UK/US troll army blame Germany for not allowing Ukraine have 200-500 tanks, that would be destroyed by Russia in target practice. Germany and EU NEED their tanks. US does not need their tanks. China is not invading the USA. Russia is invading Europe. The Standard Operating Procedure is US takes "credit" when Ukraine wins because Ukraine has 20 HIMARS. And when Ukraine loses, blame EU nations for not sending enough arms. HIMARS are planned to retire. Sending hundreds of HIMARS would turn the tide of battle. Germany and Poland need their tanks. Spain does not, Spain is at no risk of Russian invasion. Germany should call the bluff and allow Spain to give their tanks to Ukraine. When these 200 tanks do not turn the tide of battle. Please blame the Americans for not giving Ukraine thousands of Bradleys and thousands of other heavy weapons in storage that would turn the tide of battle for Ukraine.

US/UK trolls: Blame Germany for Ukraine losing.

UK/US trolls: USA is "saviour of Europe" with 20 HIMARS and soon 50 Bradleys.

Ignore the US/UK troll agenda.

What are you talking about dude. The U.S alone has already provided far more aid to Ukraine than all of the entire Europe put together and by a wide margin at that. In short, to be honest without the U.S Ukraine probably wouldnt have been able to hold off Russia for so long despite their courage and tenacity to fight off their invaders, since they would have ran out of military equipments/finance needed to carry on the war. A simple research will show you that the aid Germany(Europe's largest economic , manufacturing and indistrial power) has provided is almost insignificant, even France to be honest. These are all verifiable facts not opinions.
Again this conflict has shown that European countries are not serious about their own defence to be honest. They will rather spend on other stuffs and rely on the US to do most of the military job. Though i agree that the US can do far more, since they havent even mobilised 2% of their true military and industrial capabilities to support Ukraine, yet Russia is already struggling. In fact I believe that if the U S rely mobilises their industry and military supplies on a war footing, then Russia wouldnt be able to keep on the fight for even a few months to be honest. This conflict has actually shown how far behind Russia has fallen relative to the US.

 

[jhungary]

Greatest Joke of the War

President Joe Biden said that he was providing 31 M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. (like this is going to make a difference??? )
31 tanks provided after Training & shipment from US to Ukraine will take more than 6 months minimum to reach. The battle field would have totally changed by the time these insignificant number of tanks arrive in Ukr. Its like sending a loaded Rolls Royce to battle with its own defence group of soldiers incase it doesn't get damaged.

MSN

31 Abrams to unlock more Leo2 Tanks. Biden said on the address today he is expecting 2 Battalion worth of Leo 2 from Germany and Allies (Germany already donated 14) which means Biden is expecting 120 or more Abrams and Leo 2.With the T-55S and the Challenger, you have 150 modern Western Tank, that's 1 and a half Brigade worth.

Couple with the 100 or so Bradley, and unspecified number of CV-90, Marauder, AMX-10, you are talking about 3 US equivalent of ABCT, that's actually a lot, this is almost a division. You are talking about sparing some 300 old soviet armour vehicle for defence....

EDIT : 1 US Armoured Brigade Combat Team have 86 Tanks + 130 IFV

 

[gambit]

You guys are aware that Ukrainian pilots have been training in the US to fly the F-16 for since Jul '22, right? I said a long time ago in the older thread that it would take months for Ukrainian pilots to learn how to fly Western fighters. They would not train the Ukrainians on the F-16 unless NATO is confident that F-16s would be transferred over.

 

[ZeGerman]

What are you talking about dude. The U.S alone has already provided far more aid to Ukraine than all of the entire Europe put together and by a wide margin at that. In short, to be honest without the U.S Ukraine probably wouldnt have been able to hold off Russia for so long despite their courage and tenacity to fight off their invaders, since they would have ran out of military equipments/finance needed to carry on the war. A simple research will show you that the aid Germany(Europe's largest economic , manufacturing and indistrial power) has provided is almost insignificant, even France to be honest. These are all verifiable facts not opinions.
Again this conflict has shown that European countries are not serious about their own defence to be honest. They will rather spend on other stuffs and rely on the US to do most of the military job. Though i agree that the US can do far more, since they havent even mobilised 2% of their true military and industrial capabilities to support Ukraine, yet Russia is already struggling. In fact I believe that if the U S rely mobilises their industry and military supplies on a war footing, then Russia wouldnt be able to keep on the fight for even a few months to be honest. This conflict has actually shown how far behind Russia has fallen relative to the US.

Thats the result of 40 years degrading the military.
Amount of active ready to use heavy weaponry and ammo stocks is ridiculously low in Europe. As such there is little to send.

USA on ther hand has massive stocks but is (relatively) providing little in aid. (31 tanks out of 4000 to 6000?).


europe needs to be able to defend itself without being so dependant on the US.
This new big european war is a wake up call hopefully

 

[Viet]

31 Abrams to unlock more Leo2 Tanks. Biden said on the address today he is expecting 2 Battalion worth of Leo 2 from Germany and Allies (Germany already donated 14) which means Biden is expecting 120 or more Abrams and Leo 2.With the T-55S and the Challenger, you have 150 modern Western Tank, that's 1 and a half Brigade worth.

Couple with the 100 or so Bradley, and unspecified number of CV-90, Marauder, AMX-10, you are talking about 3 US equivalent of ABCT, that's actually a lot, this is almost a division. You are talking about sparing some 300 old soviet armour vehicle for defence....

Also, Rheinmetall can deliver 139 leopards to Ukraine. Another 3 battalions.
That will take just several months to prepare for the war.

Rheinmetall: Wir könnten 139 "Leopard"-Panzer liefern

Neben "Leopard"-Panzern der Bundeswehr kämen auch Bestände der Industrie für Lieferungen an die Ukraine in Frage. Der Rüstungskonzern Rheinmetall teilte nun mit, dass er insgesamt 139 "Leopard"-Kampfpanzer liefern könnte - einen Teil auch zeitnah.

www.tagesschau.de

 

[Viet]

Thats the result of 40 years degrading the military.
Amount of active ready to use heavy weaponry and ammo stocks is ridiculously low in Europe. As such there is little to send.

USA on ther hand has massive stocks but is (relatively) providing little in aid. (31 tanks out of 4000 to 6000?).


europe needs to be able to defend itself without being so dependant on the US.
This new big european war is a wake up call hopefully

that’s it. The US can send 500 or 1,000 Abrams to Ukraine without a blink. 31 is ridiculous funny. The only explanation I have is US wants Germany to rearm. Germany defense budget is ridiculous low, should be 100 billion euros minimum or 200 billion euros per year. Then Germany can produce thousands of tanks, planes, submarines, missiles like making millions of cars per year. let’s prepare WW3.

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618553883604942851

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618311015061680128

https://twitter.com/x/status/1618300519826751488

 

[Ich]

Do they intend to fully annex or partially annex Ukraine? Are they having plans to annex particular areas to annex only? When It will get end..

There is a chance of partially annex if peace-negotiation are hold within the next weeks.

All other lead to an worldwide all in full war with nukes.