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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

how many usa can provide but won't ?


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also after later zelensky demanded long range missiles and aircrafts
The US can certainly give more. The US builds some 10,400 Abrams till today, some 24 or less were destroyed by enemy fire or self destruction. What percentage is that? That’s less than rounding error. all talks of tanks being obsolete are cheap and stupid propaganda. Can be thrown into trash bin.
Western tanks are steel monsters they can run for 100 years.

Zelinskki is Jew. They are god chosen people. They are smart. Putin in contrast is just dumb spy he has no chance. Demanding long range missiles to strike Russia mainland is a logical step. You mean the Russians can strike but Ukraine is not allowed to do the same?
 
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The lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian who were killed and wounded and over 13 million more who left their homes have become cheap now? I don't think so. They just happened to have the wrong kind of leadership. But just like Senator Lindsay Graham stated, "they want to fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian". I just hope the Ukrainians are paying attention to these statements.

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They certainly will ignore your misrepresentation of what was said.
 
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Lool Germany has never been a reliable security partner. I also blame the US and UK for this, since after WWII they overdid it in putting Germans against anything military or defense. So we created a Germany that's against anything military related and even more so in supplying defence products abroad. So it's normal that Germany will be so unreliable as a military supplier despite their top of the lines weapons. If not for that, Germany alone if they put their hearts and mind to it fully can out-produce and out supply Russia anyday all by themselves. We wont even need other NATO countries to help Ukraine.
This is contrary to Japan, where the US didn't go overboard in shaping the country's establishment and people to be against anything military. So reason we see that Japanbusually takes measures to boost its defence spending and military equipments when they see a military threat coming from China or Noeth Korea. Unlike Germany who will remain lethargic despite Russias credible threats in Europe, in fact im sire Germany remain that way even if Russia was invading their eqsteen territory tomorrow 😂

Reason I belive all that talk of a sovereign European Army between E.U members states free of the US or U.K to some extent, is all bullshit. This Ukraine war has shown that E.U (especially the western ones) countries are not as reliable as they should be. AMONG wdstern powers it's the U.S and U.K(to a lesser extent relative to the U.S) doing much of the heavy lifting when shit hits the fan. So how can other E.U countries trust France and Germany to lead a European army? Lol Those who were reticent about a U.S critical role in Europe now understand that they cant count much on Germany and France. So this so called silly "True independent European army" to stand against Russia or even the U.S like french président Macron used to pushed for is death before it even started lol This war has shown who is who when shit goes down..
The US, UK and Russia forced Germany to disarm as a condition for East Germany joining West Germany, and Germany as a result got rid of a large part of it military equipment to the benefit of other countries aka the Great Leopard firesale.
Germany is still #3 spender in abolute numbers within NATO and may soon pop ut to #2.
 
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Well, don't forget that whatever the number of tank the Ukrainian is getting, they will need to pull the existing people off the line and put them in Germany, US or UK for training to use them, they can't afford to pull a lot of combat power all in one go otherwise that will threaten their own defensive posture.

As I explained before, 150 tanks is quite a lot. You have 31 Abrams, 14 Leo 2 from Germany, 14 Challenger from the UK, 28 M-55S (which is sort of a quasi modern tank) and Biden was expecting Spain, Poland and Finland to donate 14 each, Portugal and Norway combine for another 14, making it at least 70 Leo 2. Biden expected 88 Leo 2 tanks, so number may vary. Even Australia is mauling on donating the M1A1 Abrams they are using to Ukraine. All 58 M1A1 Australian Army were using will become obsolete when the new order of 75 M1A2 Deliver in 2024.

Which mean the Ukrainian would have to pull 130-150 tank crew off the frontline, along with the crew destined for Bradley, AMX-10, CV-90 and Marauder all will be plugged from the line and train at the rear, I think that is the maximum number they can pull without harming their own number at the frontline. You are talking about almost Armour Division of men there, that's about 12,000 men of Tanker, Mechanic, Cavalry Crew, accompanied Infantry and so on. You can't use new crew because that would have taken them too long. So I suspect the Ukrainian will pull experienced unit like 5th Tank Brigade or 93rd Mech Brigade and rearm them with Western equipment

I think this tank deal will NOT be the only deal, there are going to be another one, but it would have to be rotated and waited after this current tank crew being reimplemented into the line before they can pull another 130 or so crew out to train for their new toy.
NATO should demand those newly formed armor and mechanized brigades are commanded by NATO trained officers and given full autonomy while planning and doing offensive operations.
Its not like Ukraine havent had access to armor during this war, but it seems like they (and the russians) are incapable of doing offensive operations. If nothing changes, these donations are going to be wasted in this ongoing onslaught at snail pace between two sovjet armies.
The donated long range howitzers shouldve already given the ukrainians an advantage over the russians.
 
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NATO should demand those newly formed armor and mechanized brigades are commanded by NATO trained officers and given full autonomy while planning and doing offensive operations.
Its not like Ukraine havent had access to armor during this war, but it seems like they (and the russians) are incapable of doing offensive operations. If nothing changes, these donations are going to be wasted in this ongoing onslaught at snail pace between two sovjet armies.
The donated long range howitzers shouldve already given the ukrainians an advantage over the russians.
Nonsense. NATO troops will never step a foot on Ukraine soil, in doing so would mean direct involvement of the war.
Ukraine is very capable to fight the Russians. What she needs is western weapons especially tanks. Without tanks Ukraine can never oust the Russians out of country. Tank is the most important piece of “combined arms”.

Russia army suffers 8x more deaths and casualties in 1 year than USSR in Afghanistan in 10 years. If the Afghanistan war became unsustainable for USSR then the Ukraine war will become unsustainable for Russia. Just a matter of time.
 
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How a Belarus invasion could turn the Ukraine war​

Lukashenko set to let Putin attack Ukraine from Belarus, which may or may not remain independent from Russia after the war

By DANIEL WILLIAMS JANUARY 26, 2023

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Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Belarusian counterpart Alexander Lukashenko pose on a yacht during a trip on the Black Sea on May 29, 2021. Photo: Sputnik / Sergei Ilyin

The government of Belarus, which during the past three years has moved politically ever closer to Russia, is under pressure from Moscow to deepen its involvement in the Russian war on Ukraine.

At issue is whether Belarus’s President-for-life Alexander Lukashenko will let Moscow’s armed forces launch from his country an assault on Kiev, Ukraine’s capital.

Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to overrun the city. A drive on it would be part of a broader effort to take Ukrainian territory, some of which Russia won and then lost early in the war.

This month, Russia and Belarus began joint air and ground maneuvers, which are scheduled to end in early February. Ukrainian officials expect a major Russian offensive sometime thereafter.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke with his Belarusian counterpart, Viktor Khrenin, by phone and Russian military officials are reportedly holding continuing talks in Belarus to work out conditions for using the country as a launching pad.

Belarusian officials reported vaguely that the pair discussed “progress in preparing” future permanent military cooperation. Last year, as the invasion got underway, Lukashenko permitted Russia to launch missiles into Ukraine from Belarusian territory and let some units invade on the ground.

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Belarusian involvement in the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Map: Wikimedia

He is resisting pressure from Putin to go beyond that and allow a large force of Russian troops to assault Kiev, which lies close to the border with Belarus. Ukrainian officials are convinced Russian troops will eventually invade from Belarus.

Colonel Oleh Zhdanov, a former operations officer in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, told reporters in Kiev that the Russians will make a “pincer attack” on the capital from the east and south. Ukraine is “watching Russian military constantly moving 10,000-12,000 men in Belarus,” he said.

Rustem Umerov, a Ukrainian legislator, added, “Russians are encircling us from 240 degrees, attacking from the Black Sea, from Belarus and the Luhansk and Donetsk regions” which lie to the east.

Russian troops arrived in Belarus last October. Their continuing presence has raised questions – and not only about their possible role in attacking Ukraine. Beyond that, they will probably stay on and present a new threat to the eastern flank of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Depending on where Russia places the troops and on their number and weaponry, they could menace NATO’s three Baltic Sea states – Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. On Polish territory adjoining the Lithuanian border is the Suwalki Corridor also called the Suwalki Gap, a land passage connecting the isolated Russian region of Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea and Belarus.

“Such a move could dramatically increase the challenge NATO faces defending the Baltic States from future Russian attack,” asserted a report issued last December by the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank. It would put Russian mechanized units on both ends of the narrow Suwalki Corridor, across which “NATO supplies and reinforcements to the Baltic States” must pass.

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Map: Twitter / Defense News

Lukashenko, rather than playing a second-fiddle ally of Putin’s, once featured as a statesman whose mission was to ease East-West tensions. In 2014 and 2015, he hosted peace talks in Minsk, the Belarusian capital, designed to end fighting between the Ukrainian government and separatists supported by Russia.

In 2020-21, Lukashenko battled mass anti-government protests at home, first against his decision to seek a sixth five-year presidential term and then on suspicions that the subsequent election was rigged.

Western governments imposed economic sanctions for “continuing attacks on human rights, fundamental freedoms, and international law,” according to a 2021 joint statement by the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and the European Union.

Lukashenko turned to Russia for succor. Putin responded with a promise to provide military help “if necessary.” Emboldened, Lukashenko jailed thousands of demonstrators and shut down the independent press and human rights organizations.

The political bill for this support is coming due. At Putin’s request, Lukashenko has permitted 11,000 Russian troops, already encamped at two Belarusian military bases, to hold joint military maneuvers with Belarusian units.

He has also gone out of his way to praise Putin, whom he called his “older brother” and thanked Russia for having “held out its hand to us” by providing Belarus with oil and gas at discounted prices.

“Russia can manage without us, but we can’t without Russia,” he said.

What might Putin eventually want from Lukashenko and Belarus? At least a staging area to host troops invading Ukraine, military observers say. One potential starting position for an assault on Kyiv would be eastern Belarus, closest to Kiev. But the area is swampy and contains no adequate military facilities where the Russians could encamp. They would have to build one.

Two other areas could serve as invasion platforms, one in central Belarus, out of range of Ukrainian artillery, and another at the frontier with Poland. Besides providing a site for invading Belarus, either would also create a new unwelcome reality for NATO: a Russian front facing Poland and the Baltic states near the Suwalki Corridor.

“NATO would have to think hard and fast about how to secure its ground line of communication through the corridor in such a scenario,” wrote ISW.

Lukashenko faces an existential geopolitical dilemma. Will his country continue to exist as an independent state after the Ukraine war ends?

“The absorption of Belarus into Russia seems inevitable if Russia is able to get its way in Ukraine,” predicted Samantha de Bandern, a French journalist and fellow at Chatham House, a British political analysis group.

Belarus has fallen into an “alliance trap” in which it may be unable to control its own future no matter if Russia wins or loses the war, said Anais Marin, another Chatham House fellow.

Ryhor Astapenia, who heads an analysis team on Belarus at Chatham House, laid out a series of scenarios, most of which spell doom for Belarusian independence:

  • Russia wins in Ukraine, and Belarus is swallowed up by a victorious “big brother”;
  • Ukraine triumphs, Russia retreats from efforts to restore some semblance of the former-Soviet Union and Belarus can try to make amends with the outside world; or
  • A defeated Russia angrily annexes Belarus as a kind of consolation prize.
“When we hear that Ukraine is in [Putin’s] sphere of influence – that he wants it to be — Belarus is as well; he cannot let it go,” says Tatsiana Kulakevich, a political scientist at the University of South Florida. “And it’s a very unfortunate situation because the Belarusian people cannot do anything.”

Military analysts are also fretting that Putin might launch nuclear bombs from Belarus into Ukraine.

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A Russian dual-capable missile, the Iskander-M. Photo: Wikimedia Commons

“Once Russia becomes primarily a conventional threat that has to operate mainly on the conventional plane it must confront its almost insurmountable economic and demographic disadvantages,” wrote Frederick Kagan, a top ISW analyst. Among the options available to “mitigate” that outcome, Kagan said, would be to use nuclear weapons.

Under this scenario, Putin would hope to avoid retaliation aimed at the Russian homeland by launching a nuclear bomb from Belarus and letting Minsk suffer the consequences.

That may seem far-fetched but consider Western thinking during the Cold War. The allies considered what action to take if Moscow used a Warsaw Pact country as a launching pad to fire a nuclear-armed missile into Western Europe. The consensus was reached to strike back within the Warsaw Pact.

Lukashenko has publicly vetoed only one possible Russian military activity on Belarusian territory: the transfer to and use of nuclear weapons in the country. In a May interview with the Associated Press, he said such actions were “unacceptable.”


There is also the question of Moldova and Transnistria and where all this fits into the overall picture.
L'ombre Well, that's how geo politics has always been. Small/weak powers will.always be at the mercy of bigger powers. So their livelihood depends on the goodwill of that big power. So Belarus is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Lukashenko knows he doesnt have much choice, he cant dare say no to Putin or turn his back on Putin. He knows that if he does, Ukraine's current situation awaits his country. And Putin will try everything to remove him if he goes against Russias will. Which will be an easy thing to do since Lukashenko himself is a brutal dictator and an unpopular one at that who has been using murder, intimidation, imprisonment of any opposition member to stay in power now for almost 3 decades and keeps changing the constitution to remain power. As I said before, absolute power is addictive and corrupts the mind and soul, once you have tasted it, you will never want to let it go, even if it means the destruction of your country as long as you can stay in power it's all good. Look at Assad in Syria. 😆
So he has no choice than to be a Putin puppet now or else he will be easilly replaced. 😆

Ahahaha...That's the country that was pushing for "real independent European army" led by them. 🤣 If other European countries had agreed to that and pushed away the U.S/U.K then Ukraine would have long been done for by now. 🤣 That's why they say in this life, its only when you are in real trouble that you will know who your real partners are, anybody can be your friend/partner and ally when things are going well, okay or peaceful, but only when you are in danger will you can really trust in these hard times. 😆😁
 
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Nonsense. NATO troops will never step a foot on Ukraine soil, in doing so would mean direct involvement of the war.
Ukraine is very capable to fight the Russians. What she needs is western weapons especially tanks. Without tanks Ukraine can never oust the Russians out of country. Tank is the most important piece of “combined arms”.

Russia army suffers 8x more deaths and casualties in 1 year than USSR in Afghanistan in 10 years. If the Afghanistan war became unsustainable for USSR then the Ukraine war will become unsustainable for Russia. Just a matter of time.
I said NATO trained officers, meaning ukrainians using NATO doctrine.

NATO should stop being scared of these imaginary russian red lines, and start drawing some clear red lines themself. Russia is acting opportunistic. All this would not have happend if NATO had involved itself back in 2014.
 
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I said NATO trained officers, meaning ukrainians using NATO doctrine.

NATO should stop being scared of these imaginary russian red lines, and start drawing some clear red lines themself. Russia is acting opportunistic. All this would not have happend if NATO had involved itself back in 2014.
Ukraine army receiving NATO training already happening before the war and will intensify. Without those trainings Ukraine army would have no chance and simply surrender like in 2014.

Canada delivers 4 leopards 2.
Ukraine will have 2 leopards 2 tank battalions in March.

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