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Russia experts suggest to sell MiG-35 to Pakistan

hasnain my friend, there was no pressure at that time, PAF had the money, F-16 upgrades, other equipments associated and plus AMRAAM were enough.

A good deal is always a good deal, 1989/1990 in peruse of highly technological fighter PAF looked into Tornadoes and Mirage 2000s Mirage 2000 were already under consideration and tested before 1989...I do not understand what are you referring to about spare parts we had that s.h.i.t regarding F-16s don't we? and now more then ever you're stuck so now don't you consider the possibility of Spares and sanctions?

Lets forget Russian su-27/mig 29, are few US contents in gripen the trouble or whole of US product in such a time trouble : ) Think yaar.

No F-7 was and can never be in an arena and a better product then Tornadoes or Mirage 2000/-5

Not once but twice we went for F-7s and thrice we dumped Mirage 2000 the only Historic Nation. By the way Pakistan was offered Brand spanking new Mirages not used ones.
 
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time has come for PAF to buy jets which can track stealth jets and Mig 35 is only jet can do it i have seen its profile sir it can and it is twin engine giving it more power than F 16 as russian scientists are very special they produce special things too
 
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For PAF to get MIG35 the GOP would have to coff up huge sums of money to set up production the RUSSIANS will not buy it and i dont see any other customers yet.

DONT DOUBT its potential for one second it would be LIKE INDIA,S SU30MKI project. IE a fighter built to PAF specfics but at total cost to pakistanis.

SU30MKI PROGRAMME WILLCOST INDIA $13 BILLION when it finshes in 2016
 
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How good is this
 
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Because of India's non alliance policy and taking advantage from both. It explains why Russia moves for closer Pakistani ties. They are upset that its long term ally are turning more to the west.

India Shifts Allegiance From Russia To Europe

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NEW DELHI — India is slowly shifting its allegiance from its traditional arms suppliers in Russia toward other European firms.

The country last month rejected Russia’s bid to sell India its MiG-35 fighter jets in the largest arms tender of this century. India also declined Boeing and Lockheed Martin’s bids for the $11 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft contract. The final contenders to deliver 126 jets are the Rafale, made by France’s Dassault Aviation, and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Senior Indian Air Force (IAF) officials say Russia’s Rosoboronexport and MiG design bureau were informed about the perceived drawbacks of the Russian offer, which included the engines. “The Russian technologies did not fit the program,” an official says, without elaborating.

In another snub of Russia, for the first time the IAF has decided to look beyond Moscow for spares for its inventory of Russian systems. India’s defense ministry recently issued global tenders worth several million dollars to international suppliers to reload its stocks of spares for its Russian-made MiG-23, MiG-27 and MiG-29 combat aircraft; IL-76 heavy-lift transports; IL-78 midair refuelers; all Mi-series helicopters; Pechora and OSA-AK air defense missiles and P-18 and P-19 radars.

The IAF has pointed out that delays in Russian after-sales support for military equipment are hurting the country’s battle readiness. “India has long leaned on Russia to equip its armed forces with military hardware. But Russia doesn’t have it all together to supply in one go anymore,” a senior IAF official tells Aviation Week.

The IAF also has problems with the serviceability of its MiG series, leading to the government informing parliament in February that it was planning to phase out the accident-prone fighter jets by 2017, when modern aircraft would be inducted.

“Many more such tenders are in the pipeline,” the IAF officials says.

But the change in stance also signifies a significant step in the government’s efforts to strengthen its rapidly depleting air power and ensure it is ready to meet the challenge of combating a resurgent China and an ambitious Pakistan.

The Indian army also has issued a request for information for acquiring active protection and countermeasure systems for its T-90S main battle tanks.

“Supply of spare parts are an issue with Russia, and though we still depend on the original equipment manufacturer for specialized spare parts, we are forced to look outside Moscow for generalized spares at a better price,” an army official says.

India has been heavily reliant on Russia, which produces about 60% of the equipment used by the Indian armed forces. India has awarded its largest arms contracts to Russia during the recent decade, including its order for the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and a group of MiG-29K jets for the vessel, as well as frigates and a rented submarine.

India also joined forces with Russia to build BrahMos cruise missiles, a fifth-generation fighter jet and the new MTA transport plane.

Ajay Lele, a former IAF wing commander who currently works with the New Delhi-based Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses, tells Aviation Week that India is exploring other options since its buying potential has increased and its nuclear market has also opened up.

“A country’s defense requirements cannot wait endlessly,” Lele says. “India wants hardware on [the] ground, hence it is looking for better technical options that include easy deliverables, state-of-[the]-art technology and economies of purchase.”

India has tripled its defense budget over the past decade – to $32 billion this year, the world’s 10th largest – in an attempt to foil a quadrupling of spending in the same period by neighboring China. The country is planning to spend $80 billion on defense in the next five years to acquire new equipment.

Kapil Kaul, chief executive of the Indian unit of consulting firm the Center for Asia-Pacific Aviation, says that geopolitical concerns are also being taken into account, as India looks to shore up relations with Europe. “[With the] European Union being an important political partner, India needs to balance the geopolitical impact,” Kaul says.

Indian MiG 29s: IAF

India Shifts Allegiance From Russia To Europe | AVIATION WEEK
 
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doubt this deal will go through....... maybe through third party like china, but direct selling to pakistan will cost russia more than it will gain them
 
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this news seems more like russia trying to give india a message rather than actually wanting to sell to pakistan - they know they cant afford to anger india while india is funding their fifth gen fighter
 
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doubt this deal will go through....... maybe through third party like china, but direct selling to pakistan will cost russia more than it will gain them

Shifting of spheres is good for india but but baaaaaaaaaadddddddd for Russia?
:cheers:
 
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this news seems more like russia trying to give india a message rather than actually wanting to sell to pakistan - they know they cant afford to anger india while india is funding their fifth gen fighter

India is not funding for Russia but for own-self.
 
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Shifting of spheres is good for india but but baaaaaaaaaadddddddd for Russia?
:cheers:

its not about good or bad its about dependency, we dnt want to depend on one country for military hardware
 
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India is not funding for Russia but for own-self.

Doesnt matter who India is funding for...... India is funding the fgfa and without this extra money russia could not make the fgfa in the next two decades, thats why they went looking for partners in the first place, now china wont join them and if india leaves who else is there?
 
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I don't know if anyone else is thinking this but what about SU-35. How do the two compare?

Plus if Russia sells I doubt India will pull out of the FGFA program. Relations might get tense but India would loose more than it gains by leaving FGFA.
 
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this news seems more like russia trying to give india a message rather than actually wanting to sell to pakistan - they know they cant afford to anger india while india is funding their fifth gen fighter

Well, i am surprised you call it india is funding only. maybe you should add that is india that is developing just like they did with brahmos. Russia is a way lot smarter then India and they will neither give you the latest nor allow you to gain control. Remember how you paid for MKI and for your aircraftcarrier? They will suck you dry.
 
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this news seems more like russia trying to give india a message rather than actually wanting to sell to pakistan - they know they cant afford to anger india while india is funding their fifth gen fighter

There are 30 billion just for 5th gen and the still going su-30mki and its upgrades ,Mig-29s and its upgrades, submarines, aircraft carrier and what not deals that can cost something around 80 billion plus atleast..

if Russia feels Pakistan can pay up like that and replace India, then why not????
 
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