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Putin to promote nuclear cooperation and military hardware in India
24.01.2007 Source: URL: http://english.pravda.ru/russia/86709-Putin_India-0
Russian President Vladimir Putin is set to arrive in India, hoping to use the two nations' decades-long friendship to push for deals in civilian nuclear cooperation, military hardware and trade expansion between the booming economies.
Putin, who will be the guest of honor at India's Jan. 26 Republic Day celebrations during his two-day visit starting Thursday, is looking to cash in on Cold War ties that bound the two countries for years - but then slackened as India's burgeoning market attracted other players.
India was a key customer for Soviet weapons, purchasing billions of dollars' (euros') worth of military hardware.
Russia hopes that relationship will continue, especially since India has become the world's foremost buyer of military equipment.
A key element of their relationship was rooted in an unwritten code: that India would buy enormous amounts of Russian military hardware, and Moscow would not supply defense equipment to India's neighboring archrival, Pakistan.
Russian politicians warned there will likely be consequences if India shops elsewhere.
"I believe this situation could stay, but only on condition that India, in its turn, will continue to view Russia as the main source of weapons," Konstantin Kosachev, head of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, told The Associated Press.
He said Pakistan "has shown a huge interest in the development of military-technical cooperation with Russia."
"If we see other trends here, see that India is refocusing to other suppliers, European or American ... Russia in turn will see new opportunities open for cooperation with other nations in the region," Kosachev said, in a clear reference to Pakistan.
The tacit agreement could be tested by India's planned purchase of 126 fighter jets, a deal worth US$6.5 billion to US$10 billion (EUR 5.4 billion to EUR 8.3 billion), from countries where Russia faces stiff competition, including Sweden and the United States.
Russia's state-owned aircraft company, MiG, "is going to participate in that (India's international bidding process ) in the most active way," Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov was quoted as saying by the Interfax-Military news agency.
"We would like to push the MiG-35," said Russia's ambassador to India, Vyacheslav I. Trubnikov, referring to the latest fighter jet in Russia's stable. "This would be a real milestone in our military relations."
For years during the Cold War, the diplomatic map was clear: India and the Soviet Union were close allies, while the United States tilted toward Pakistan.
But times have changed. Washington and New Delhi now share a warm relationship, underscored by a landmark civilian nuclear cooperation deal the two made last year.
The deal gives India, with its energy-desperate economy, access to nuclear technology and equipment it was long denied because it is not a signatory of the international nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.
The deal appears to give U.S. companies a strong position in India, but Trubnikov described nuclear cooperation as "the most important issue on the agenda during President Putin's visit."
The two countries' nuclear ties are well-entrenched: Russia is helping India build two 1,000-megawatt nuclear reactors in the southern town of Kudankulam - help that Washington had frowned on.
And last year, when uranium supplies ran precariously low at India's Tarapore nuclear power plant, Russia supplied 60 tons, again brushing aside U.S. objections.
"We hope a clear road map for cooperation in peaceful civilian nuclear energy will emerge from the president's visit," Trubnikov told The Associated Press.
Despite longtime Russia-India ties, nonmilitary trade has stagnated. During Putin's last visit to India in December 2004, both sides set an ambitious two-way trade target of US$10 billion (EUR 8.3 billion) by 2010. However, the figures have not edged up from the US$2.76 billion (EUR 2.3 billion) level of two decades ago.
"The volume of Russian-Indian trade looks miserable compared, for example, to India's trade with China," said longtime India-watcher Tatiana Shaumian at the Moscow-based Institute for Oriental Studies.
Moscow wants Indian industry to invest more in Russia's economy, now growing at more than 6 percent a year, Trubnikov said.
Indians have long complained of difficulties in getting Russian visas, and Trubnikov assured a meeting of Indian business leaders last week that the application process is being eased, the AP reports.
"India and Russia share a great sense of comfort," India's ambassador to Moscow, Kanwal Sibal, said Monday in New Delhi. "Whether it's defense or trade, nuclear or energy supplies, they share a strategic partnership. Like old friends whose ties will endure."
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Putin to promote nuclear cooperation and military hardware in India
24.01.2007 Source: URL: http://english.pravda.ru/russia/86709-Putin_India-0
Russian President Vladimir Putin is set to arrive in India, hoping to use the two nations' decades-long friendship to push for deals in civilian nuclear cooperation, military hardware and trade expansion between the booming economies.
Putin, who will be the guest of honor at India's Jan. 26 Republic Day celebrations during his two-day visit starting Thursday, is looking to cash in on Cold War ties that bound the two countries for years - but then slackened as India's burgeoning market attracted other players.
India was a key customer for Soviet weapons, purchasing billions of dollars' (euros') worth of military hardware.
Russia hopes that relationship will continue, especially since India has become the world's foremost buyer of military equipment.
A key element of their relationship was rooted in an unwritten code: that India would buy enormous amounts of Russian military hardware, and Moscow would not supply defense equipment to India's neighboring archrival, Pakistan.
Russian politicians warned there will likely be consequences if India shops elsewhere.
"I believe this situation could stay, but only on condition that India, in its turn, will continue to view Russia as the main source of weapons," Konstantin Kosachev, head of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, told The Associated Press.
He said Pakistan "has shown a huge interest in the development of military-technical cooperation with Russia."
"If we see other trends here, see that India is refocusing to other suppliers, European or American ... Russia in turn will see new opportunities open for cooperation with other nations in the region," Kosachev said, in a clear reference to Pakistan.
The tacit agreement could be tested by India's planned purchase of 126 fighter jets, a deal worth US$6.5 billion to US$10 billion (EUR 5.4 billion to EUR 8.3 billion), from countries where Russia faces stiff competition, including Sweden and the United States.
Russia's state-owned aircraft company, MiG, "is going to participate in that (India's international bidding process ) in the most active way," Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov was quoted as saying by the Interfax-Military news agency.
"We would like to push the MiG-35," said Russia's ambassador to India, Vyacheslav I. Trubnikov, referring to the latest fighter jet in Russia's stable. "This would be a real milestone in our military relations."
For years during the Cold War, the diplomatic map was clear: India and the Soviet Union were close allies, while the United States tilted toward Pakistan.
But times have changed. Washington and New Delhi now share a warm relationship, underscored by a landmark civilian nuclear cooperation deal the two made last year.
The deal gives India, with its energy-desperate economy, access to nuclear technology and equipment it was long denied because it is not a signatory of the international nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.
The deal appears to give U.S. companies a strong position in India, but Trubnikov described nuclear cooperation as "the most important issue on the agenda during President Putin's visit."
The two countries' nuclear ties are well-entrenched: Russia is helping India build two 1,000-megawatt nuclear reactors in the southern town of Kudankulam - help that Washington had frowned on.
And last year, when uranium supplies ran precariously low at India's Tarapore nuclear power plant, Russia supplied 60 tons, again brushing aside U.S. objections.
"We hope a clear road map for cooperation in peaceful civilian nuclear energy will emerge from the president's visit," Trubnikov told The Associated Press.
Despite longtime Russia-India ties, nonmilitary trade has stagnated. During Putin's last visit to India in December 2004, both sides set an ambitious two-way trade target of US$10 billion (EUR 8.3 billion) by 2010. However, the figures have not edged up from the US$2.76 billion (EUR 2.3 billion) level of two decades ago.
"The volume of Russian-Indian trade looks miserable compared, for example, to India's trade with China," said longtime India-watcher Tatiana Shaumian at the Moscow-based Institute for Oriental Studies.
Moscow wants Indian industry to invest more in Russia's economy, now growing at more than 6 percent a year, Trubnikov said.
Indians have long complained of difficulties in getting Russian visas, and Trubnikov assured a meeting of Indian business leaders last week that the application process is being eased, the AP reports.
"India and Russia share a great sense of comfort," India's ambassador to Moscow, Kanwal Sibal, said Monday in New Delhi. "Whether it's defense or trade, nuclear or energy supplies, they share a strategic partnership. Like old friends whose ties will endure."
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Stuck in Sichuan: Pakistani JF-17 Fighter Program Grounded
by Joe Katzman at January 25, 2007 5:44 AMThe military world has no shortage of irony. The defense industry has its moments too, as Pakistan just discovered. An aircraft whose development was driven by military sanctions from the US and Europe is now derailed by military sanctions. This leaves the Pakistani Air Force dependent on an alternative from... America. Meanwhile, the Chinese are left with no export launch customer for a plane they may now have to reluctantly buy themselves, instead of the favoured and more capable J-10. Somewhere in Delhi, champagne is pouring - but first, a bit of background.
The JF-17/FC-1 is a sub-$20 million fighter designed as a co-operative venture between Pakistan and China to replace F-7P (MiG-21+) and Mirage 3/5 aircraft in Pakistan's fleet. China also has options to produce them, but has made no firm decisions and seems unenthusiastic. It's a comparable peer for India's still-under-development LCA Tejas, Taiwan's ****-1 Ching Kuo fighters, and South Korea's T/A-50 Golden Eagle supersonic trainer & light fighter. Sino Defense reminds us that the JF-17/FC-1 'Xiaolong' has a long history...
The site recalls that China signed a $550 million agreement with Grumman in 1986 to modernise its J-7 fighter (MiG-21 copy) under the "Super-7" upgrade project, with US and British firms competing to provide the engine and avionics. The project was canceled after the Tienanmen Square massacre, but Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation managed to continue the programme with its own resources, and the project was re-branded as FC-1 (Fighter China-1). US sanctions related to Pakistan's nuclear program and Chinese-Pakistani use of ballistic missile components led Pakistan to seek helps from its Chinese ally. A joint development and production agreement was signed in June 1999, with China Aviation Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) and Pakistan each contributing 50% of the estimated $150 million development costs.
The Pakistan Government had hoped to sign a deal to acquire 150 JF-17/FC-1 fighters in 2007, with 8 aircraft in service by year's end. China had reportedly even bought 100 Klimov RD-93 engines from Russia for installing on JF-17s, with an option to contract another 400 engines.
There's only one problem: Russia has just refused permission for the transfer of its RD-93 engines, derived from the RD-33 that equips the MiG-29. The decision comes only a few days after a visit to India by Russia's Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov, during which a number of joint defense projects were discussed. These include the MRTA transport aircraft, and reportedly a "5th generation fighter" project as well.
Coincidence? Not a chance. Replacement with another engine? Unless it's a very close copy, that requires re-work of the entire fighter design and takes years. Just ask the J-10 project team.
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/009388.php
But such wont be the case with JF-17. Sup-7 had very many other variables which were out of the control of the Chinese and the PAF. In the case of JF-17, PAF would consider WS-13 as a valid replacement for RD-93. Again I personally think that this media campaign (I say so because nothing official has been made of this by either the Chinese or the Pakistani side) could not have come at a better time. Pakistan is under no direct threat of confrontation and has already placed an order for high-end aircraft. Where were planning on replacing older F-7s and Mirages in the next year and a half, we may have to hold things off a bit longer.
As in the case of pressler amendments, I think in the long run this is a better deal for Pakistan to push the Chinese on the WS-13 and stick with a totally chinese/Western origin aircraft.
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something that i dont understand is that if this is so then why is there no news about it on major pakistani channels or pakistani papers who are ready to tear into the government when ever it makes a mistake. maybe they now something we dont now i heard "hamid mir" saying that there have been secret meetings between russian and pakistani officials after the signing of the nuclear deal between india and america. this may actually be good news for pakistan because now the russians now that it is only a matter of time before india moves in favour of the west and now we will have access to russian weoponry
Read my post # 104
http://www.pakistaniforces.com/forums/showpost.php?p=46203&postcount=104
There is no reaction in Pakistan b/c nothing official has been communicated to either the Chinese or the Pakistanis via the Chinese.
>>>Stuck in Sichuan: Pakistani JF-17 Fighter Program Grounded
by Joe Katzman at January 25, 2007 5:44 AM
A jewish writer... What else do the Indians hire from Israel besides avionics for MKI, LCA and UAV's? Propaganda. The master of propaganda kills and terrorizes the Palestinians yet gets praise today cause it had some victims more then 50 years ago...
There is never a remark about the number of victims on the Russian side... There were more military victims (let us forget civilians) on the Russian side then Jewish in ww2... So why haven't we accepted Russian terror in Afghanistan? Double standards.
by Joe Katzman at January 25, 2007 5:44 AM
A jewish writer... What else do the Indians hire from Israel besides avionics for MKI, LCA and UAV's? Propaganda. The master of propaganda kills and terrorizes the Palestinians yet gets praise today cause it had some victims more then 50 years ago...
There is never a remark about the number of victims on the Russian side... There were more military victims (let us forget civilians) on the Russian side then Jewish in ww2... So why haven't we accepted Russian terror in Afghanistan? Double standards.
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Can chinese use rd-93 which has already been taken for JF-17 to export to PAKISTAN ? how much relible is ws-13 for JF_17? how much time required for it? howmuch it is capable? can any body tell me??????????
Looking at the production of JF17...
There was already one transported to Pakistan (not sure but probably 04).
There are some signs that even 06 is in service now.
There were articles that 2 production jf17 will be in Pakistan in Marc 07 for advanced weapon testing. So if they will be in march in Pakistan then they need atelast 2-4 weeks to be re-assemled and tested. Add to that two weeks transport. Then one can be almost sure that now almost february these two planes are already up and running in China...
The reason that we do not see new pictures is that India has to buy Russian planes (so we can get more western tech and use it in collaboration with China (see new long term deals with China)) and after the MRCA deal Russia will allow TOT of the RD93 to China...
There was already one transported to Pakistan (not sure but probably 04).
There are some signs that even 06 is in service now.
There were articles that 2 production jf17 will be in Pakistan in Marc 07 for advanced weapon testing. So if they will be in march in Pakistan then they need atelast 2-4 weeks to be re-assemled and tested. Add to that two weeks transport. Then one can be almost sure that now almost february these two planes are already up and running in China...
The reason that we do not see new pictures is that India has to buy Russian planes (so we can get more western tech and use it in collaboration with China (see new long term deals with China)) and after the MRCA deal Russia will allow TOT of the RD93 to China...
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Some Russian politicians are hinting that Russia may open up to Pakistan more if India starts buying more aircraft/defense equipment from the West.
"Russia hopes that relationship will continue, especially since India has become the world's foremost buyer of military equipment.
A key element of their relationship was rooted in an unwritten code: that India would buy enormous amounts of Russian military hardware, and Moscow would not supply defense equipment to India's neighboring archrival, Pakistan.
"Russian politicians warned there will likely be consequences if India shops elsewhere.
"I believe this situation could stay, but only on condition that India, in its turn, will continue to view Russia as the main source of weapons," Konstantin Kosachev, head of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, told The Associated Press.
He said Pakistan "has shown a huge interest in the development of military-technical cooperation with Russia."
"If we see other trends here, see that India is refocusing to other suppliers, European or American ... Russia in turn will see new opportunities open for cooperation with other nations in the region," Kosachev said, in a clear reference to Pakistan."
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